Architects & Engineers - Solving the Mystery of WTC 7

[Disgusted]

Btw, the passport was not found by the FBI as has been reported it was found by a new yorker who handed it to a cop on the street.

Doesn't matter who found it and like you said it was found by itself not in a pouch. So apparently this guys passport was in his pocket inside a wallet or wherever and this guy was sitting inside the plan obviously and the plane blew apart with a massive force and there was this huge fireball, but the passport just magically blew out of this wallet beyond the fireball and floated like a butterfly on the pavement below. Yep I can see that.

[Jack T. Cross]

Can anyone refute this, from quadzilla's post above:

So why didn’t the air force follow normal procedure on 9/11 and intercept the “hijacked” planes? Quite simply because it had been ordered not to do so. According to Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta, who was in the basement bunker of the White House where Dick Cheney was directing operations that morning, an alarmed-looking young officer came into the room three times reporting on the movements of the “hijacked” Flight 77. The third time the young man asked Cheney, “Do the orders still stand?” and Cheney reportedly snapped, “Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?”

[StanZoLOL]

Doesn't matter who found it and like you said it was found by itself not in a pouch. So apparently this guys passport was in his pocket inside a wallet or wherever and this guy was sitting inside the plan obviously and the plane blew apart with a massive force and there was this huge fireball, but the passport just magically blew out of this wallet beyond the fireball and floated like a butterfly on the pavement below. Yep I can see that.

x2. The passport(s) are one of the more ridiculous stories of the day.

[jwb]

The passport isn't needed to tie the guys to the planes you morons.

They used their real names to buy tickets and there is security footage of them at the airports boarding the planes.

The passport was found before either building collapsed as was a seat cushion that flew out the side of the building too.

Btw, remember when the space shuttle blew up on reentry in 2003? They found a canister containing Worms that were being used for an experiment on the shuttle. They opened it up and the worms were still alive.

The only way the passport being found on the sidewalk would seem fishy is if you believe planes never hit the tower or they used a drone plane to hit the towers. What do you believe?

[240 is Back]

Keep believing, bro.  It'll save your brain from hurting.

there it is.  over time, people look into it and accept that something smells about that day -

or they keep believe what they wanna believe.

it's FCKING scary to think the govt we elect and pay to protect us would allow/create some events like this.  Sure, in the "bigger scheme", letting a 911 happen justifies our invading, setting up bases which will help with oil & defense for the next 500 years in that region.  So yes, 3000 lives in tradeoff for keeping dollar stable or keeping a line of bases against china and other powers in the region, is a very smart thing to do.

Evil in the moral sense, but perfectly smart in the utilitarian sense.  Any good general in the world would send 10 men to die if it meant winning an entire war, right?  Maybe our leaders just decided 3000 on 9/11 and 4500 in afghanistan - less than 10,000 lives - was well worth establishing 80 military bases in that region (just as the saudis told us to get those bases out of their country).

10k lives for 500 years of military bases anywhere we want in afghanistan and Iraq?  Sheeeit, you bet your ass any leader would take that deal.

[240 is Back]

Most people will use 3 lines when denying 911 stinks.

1)  They wouldn't do that.  They would.  Look up Operation northwoods.  Our govt approved it in the 1960s, it's declassified now.  We almost blew up our own planes and blamed Cuba.  JFK was the last man stopping it after congress & JC gave it the green light.  If you need any more convincing - admit the fact that we all agree the govt lies about tons of shit every day, the media is full of crap and tells a nice narrative - but we suddenly think they all got honest on Sept 11th? 

2) The govt is too incompetent.  The smartest thing the govt ever did was convince the world he didn't exist.  We have weapons that can blow up an anthill in Iraq from a computer screen in Tampa.  We have weapons that can neutralize entire cities in seconds.  You don't think we can bring down a building?

3) Somebody would say something.  Money and guns fixes this.  $2.3 trillion goes missing on 9/10/2001.  That buys a lot of silence.  And 3000 got killed the next day.  if you talk about it, I bet your ass is next.  And the fact the media won't talk about it either.

Let's face it... 911 may have been a case of "protect long term interests with a little short term pain".  All the victims' families got $3.1 million each.  It sucks, but it's how the world works.  Napolean and leaders 10,000 years before would regularly send men to their death for the greater good, and slaughter innocents for the greater good.  It's how the world works.  If you don't like it, build a spaceship and start your own planet where people are nice to each other

[NarcissisticDeity]

Most people will use 3 lines when denying 911 stinks.

1)  They wouldn't do that.  They would.  Look up Operation northwoods.  Our govt approved it in the 1960s, it's declassified now.  We almost blew up our own planes and blamed Cuba.  JFK was the last man stopping it after congress & JC gave it the green light.  If you need any more convincing - admit the fact that we all agree the govt lies about tons of shit every day, the media is full of crap and tells a nice narrative - but we suddenly think they all got honest on Sept 11th? 

2) The govt is too incompetent.  The smartest thing the govt ever did was convince the world he didn't exist.  We have weapons that can blow up an anthill in Iraq from a computer screen in Tampa.  We have weapons that can neutralize entire cities in seconds.  You don't think we can bring down a building?

3) Somebody would say something.  Money and guns fixes this.  $2.3 trillion goes missing on 9/10/2001.  That buys a lot of silence.  And 3000 got killed the next day.  if you talk about it, I bet your ass is next.  And the fact the media won't talk about it either.

Let's face it... 911 may have been a case of "protect long term interests with a little short term pain".  All the victims' families got $3.1 million each.  It sucks, but it's how the world works.  Napolean and leaders 10,000 years before would regularly send men to their death for the greater good, and slaughter innocents for the greater good.  It's how the world works.  If you don't like it, build a spaceship and start your own planet where people are nice to each other

Yes it was a brilliant operation and a couple of yahoos on the internet uncovered it all  give me a break

[240 is Back]

Yes it was a

LOL!

a couples of jerkoffs on the web were the first to put together a movie that caught fire.  But french authors wrote "the big lie" first.  And that same week, the USA introduced "freedom fries" and suddenly discovered a few slides of the pentagon attacks.

it's an information war.  They knew french were trying to undermine our war efforts by pointing out the major holes in the pentagon attack.  They tried to pre-empt that by painting the french as unpatriotic puzzies, and so people would say "that book is crazy, I just saw the plane slides yesterday on MSNBC..."

History is full of attacks that were allowed to happen for the greater good.  thousands of people with phds and experience in the area of structural collapse have come fwd with questions about WTC7.  They're not all internet dbags.

[240 is Back]

Could 1,500 Architects and Engineers Be Wrong?

 Did you know that over 1,500 professional architects and engineers have come together to call for a independent, unbiased investigation of the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 (WTC 7) on 9/11? There are many important questions which the official government report by NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology) failed to answer on the collapse of this 47-story skyscraper at 5:20 PM on September 11, 2001. Can 1,500 architects and engineers all be wrong?

These concerned professionals have created an eye-opening website filled with reliable information which examines the WTC 7 collapse. They conclude beyond any reasonable doubt that it must have been a controlled demolition. They have also found many problems with official story on the collapse of the main two World Trade Center towers. Click here for this information-packed website.

http://www.ae911truth.org /
 

[240 is Back]

And here are 14 conspiracy theories that have been proven to be true... this year alone.

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1001/856/14_Conspiracy_Theories_That_The_Media_Now_Admits_Are_Conspiracy_Facts.html

[tbombz]

240 your doing yourself and your cause an injustice with all your posts, you dont sound very smart, you sound eager about the idea of a conspiracy and the fact that you talk about it like its fact shows how unreasonable you are. the way the buildings fell is very suspicious but theres tons and tons of evidence to prove the official story. prodding this issue and making people aware is one thing, going about it the way you are just turns people off because you dont sound like someone who is objective.  

[NarcissisticDeity]

LOL!

a couples of jerkoffs on the web were the first to put together a movie that caught fire.  But french authors wrote "the big lie" first.  And that same week, the USA introduced "freedom fries" and suddenly discovered a few slides of the pentagon attacks.

it's an information war.  They knew french were trying to undermine our war efforts by pointing out the major holes in the pentagon attack.  They tried to pre-empt that by painting the french as unpatriotic puzzies, and so people would say "that book is crazy, I just saw the plane slides yesterday on MSNBC..."

History is full of attacks that were allowed to happen for the greater good.  thousands of people with phds and experience in the area of structural collapse have come fwd with questions about WTC7.  They're not all internet dbags.

Again it was such a brilliant plan yet everyone with a blog seemed to figure it out , which is it? a master stroke of Oliver Stonesque Coup d'état or was it a not so well laid out plan that everyone on the internets figured out?

Noam Chomsky on 9-11 conspiracy theorists

Oh that's right he's just a leftist gate-keeper  

[NarcissisticDeity]

240 your doing yourself and your cause an injustice with all your posts, you dont sound very smart, you sound eager about the idea of a conspiracy and the fact that you talk about it like its fact shows how unreasonable you are. the way the buildings fell is very suspicious but theres tons and tons of evidence to prove the official story. prodding this issue and making people aware is one thing, going about it the way you are just turns people off because you dont sound like someone who is objective.  

He's not , he's made up his mind and he's now obligated to enlighten the rest of us about The Matrix 

[Jack T. Cross]

there it is.  over time, people look into it and accept that something smells about that day -

or they keep believe what they wanna believe.

Yes.  People crave continuity and safety in thought.  Some people will go absolutely bugshit without it.  And the brain WILL hurt when that continuity is interupted.  It explains a lot of behavior on this thread.

it's FCKING scary to think the govt we elect and pay to protect us would allow/create some events like this.  Sure, in the "bigger scheme", letting a 911 happen justifies our invading, setting up bases which will help with oil & defense for the next 500 years in that region.  So yes, 3000 lives in tradeoff for keeping dollar stable or keeping a line of bases against china and other powers in the region, is a very smart thing to do.

Evil in the moral sense, but perfectly smart in the utilitarian sense.  Any good general in the world would send 10 men to die if it meant winning an entire war, right?  Maybe our leaders just decided 3000 on 9/11 and 4500 in afghanistan - less than 10,000 lives - was well worth establishing 80 military bases in that region (just as the saudis told us to get those bases out of their country).

10k lives for 500 years of military bases anywhere we want in afghanistan and Iraq?  Sheeeit, you bet your ass any leader would take that deal.

Man, how that's been lost in this shuffle.  The psychology of justification.  It can explain to an observer the most outrageous behavior, and again, allow the perpetrator a continuity of safe thought after performing some of the most dastardly shit imaginable.

Read 'em and weep, boys.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Yes.  People crave continuity and safety in thought.  Some people will go absolutely bugshit without it.  And the brain WILL hurt when that continuity is interupted.  It explains a lot of behavior on this thread.

Man, how that's been lost in this shuffle.  The psychology of justification.  It can explain to an observer the most outrageous behavior, and again, allow the perpetrator a continuity of safe thought after performing some of the most dastardly shit imaginable.

Read 'em and weep, boys.

Lets say it's true and the .Gov was behind this, now what? what's your recourse? bitching on-line? or are you just satisfied knowing you figured it out and the rest of haven't? entertaining it is true what do you do with the ' knowledge ' ?

[jwb]

Plus wouldn't truthers lives be in danger for telling others the truth?

 You guys should watch out for guys in dark suits!

[tbombz]

And here are 14 conspiracy theories that have been proven to be true... this year alone.

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1001/856/14_Conspiracy_Theories_That_The_Media_Now_Admits_Are_Conspiracy_Facts.html

    those are all bullshit

#1 .. the conspiracy that is supposedly fact is that much of northern japan is uninhabitable due to radioactivity. the proof? a blip in the new york times that said some areas around the nuclear reactor would might be decalred uninhabitable. .. ya, thats much of northern japan  


#2.. the war in libya... this one doesnt even make sense.. there was no hiding the fact we got involved in this... it was out in the open.. and no we dont have any ground troops outisde of a very small number of special forces that are not doing fighting but guiding aircrafts and gathering intel.  

#3..  the conspiracy is that humans around the world would be forced to be implanted with chips so that the government could keep track of everyone..  the proof its happening? some people in mexico had it done to themselves to prevent being kidnapped..  

#4... 2000 gold...   and this is a conspiracy how?

#5 ..  the conspiracy is obama would give amnesty to all illegals... the proof? the fact that deportation cases will now be done individually with criminals givin first priority .. ya, thats amnesty all right  

# 6...  the conspiracy is that the united states was helping to fund and support mexican drug cartels by providing them weapons..    the proof? a failed program to track and find the cartel by implanting tracking chips into guns placed in shops where the cartel would probably buy them..     ya, were really supporting the cartel by trying to trace there whereabouts  

# 7 ... the conspiracy is the the government was poisoning us with flouride.. the proof? a new lower recommendation for the levels of flouride in drinking water after it was found out that some children were getting mild teeth issues due to the flouride content.... ya, were really poisoning ourselves.. and thats why when we found out a very mild problem was occuring we instantly decided to lower the levels..  

# 8 ...conspiracy = federal reserve is corrupt and serves only the interest of large banks..  the proof? the bail out program that helped keep the economy from dipping into a depression..    yup, corruption at the fed, for sure !!  

# 9 ...

not even going to finish because i have chicken to eat.. stop being a dumbass 240

[240 is Back]

240 your doing yourself and your cause an injustice with all your posts, you dont sound very smart, you sound eager about the idea of a conspiracy and the fact that you talk about it like its fact shows how unreasonable you are. the way the buildings fell is very suspicious but theres tons and tons of evidence to prove the official story. prodding this issue and making people aware is one thing, going about it the way you are just turns people off because you dont sound like someone who is objective.  

like most people, i'd like to see a complete investigation into the death of 3000 americans.  that's all.  i sure don't claim to have all the answer

[240 is Back]

not even going to finish because i have chicken to eat.. stop being a dumbass 240

 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Plus wouldn't truthers lives be in danger for telling others the truth?

 You guys should watch out for guys in dark suits!

LMFAO don't talk logic to these guys , they don't hear it.

Watch when 240 doesn't post anymore we all know what happened to him

p.i.p 240 he he was assassinated by Agents from the Matrix to get us the truth slipped on a banana-peel cracked his head open

[Jack T. Cross]

Lets say it's true and the .Gov was behind this, now what? what's your recourse? bitching on-line? or are you just satisfied knowing you figured it out and the rest of haven't? entertaining it is true what do you do with the ' knowledge ' ?

We're talking about a totally independent move.  It wasn't "the government", whatever the meaning of that word is.

[Jack T. Cross]

240 your doing yourself and your cause an injustice with all your posts, you dont sound very smart, you sound eager about the idea of a conspiracy and the fact that you talk about it like its fact shows how unreasonable you are. the way the buildings fell is very suspicious but theres tons and tons of evidence to prove the official story. prodding this issue and making people aware is one thing, going about it the way you are just turns people off because you dont sound like someone who is objective.  

What makes you say that?

[240 is Back]

LOL!

[StanZoLOL]

[Mr.1derful]

1. Why were fighter jets not scrambled to intercept the hijacked planes when they went off course?  Even after the first plane hit??  How does this not happen again, to allow an alleged plane to hit the Pentagon, which would be restricted and severely protected air space to begin with? 

2. How does fire bring down not 1, not 2, but 3 steel framed sky scrapers in a controlled, symmetrical, free fall fashion?  Something that had never before occurred?  Especially puzzling for building 7, which had minimal damage and fire, and was not hit by a plane. 

3.  How do three buildings free fall through the path of most resistance on their own footprint, if not with the assistance of explosives?

4. Why was there traces of thermite at the scene?