florida passes drug testing law

[The True Adonis]

the tupac reference was a joke.  relax your thong a little, you're taking this too seriously.

I knew you were joking, but most people who don`t really have any evidence to back up their assertions, use things like that as their proof.

That is how the myths start.  How many times have you heard people start out a sentence, "Don`t THEY say.....".  Who the hell is they?  When you ask for some evidence or facts, they crumble.

[jesusbod]

1. I believe a private company has a right to administer drug tests. If you don`t like the company`s policies, don`t work there.  

2. The "I have to do it, so everyone should have to do it" mentality is how you end up surrendering all of your rights over to the government willingly and give them power they should never have.

3. I do not like to label myself really as I don`t fit into any one ideology at all.   Socialism has nothing to do with Government involvement in Personal lives or the seizure of Private property.  Different levels of Socialism can exist in harmony with Capitalism and does so in the United States and throughout the world.

1. You are correct on that point, however it should be mandatory for someone seeking assistance be clean, especially if the taxes that working American's are paying go toward Welfare.

2. Maybe they should use a private company to administer the piss test?

3.  Socialism has nothing to do with Personal Lives? Come on man do you really believe that?

[andreisdaman]

Less people on welfare means enough money to test the ones that are on it on a random basis.

maybe but then there are no savings in it...

[Reeves]

you can't get welfare if you fail a drug test.  other states considering the same.

is tdongz fucked?

Good.

As for tdongz, doesn't he enjoy being buttfucked?

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

oh give me a break.  i don't know how it is by you, but the welfare requirements are not enforced at all in Chicago.  i'm not sure what the rules state, but we all know "mamas" that have babies merely to increase their benefits.

i believe tupac sang about these ladies in the song "Brenda".

Has nothing to do with that.  I don't want people to use welfare money to spend on drugs but I also don't want to spend millions of dollars to prevent a few people from doing it.

[deadz]

Has nothing to do with that.  I don't want people to use welfare money to spend on drugs but I also don't want to spend millions of dollars to prevent a few people from doing it.

You're wrong Vince. You don't understand the severity of the welfare abuse the occurs in Florida. You probably have never even been to Florida.

[ManBearPig...]

June 2006 – Los Angeles County
Welfare recipients and their friends and relatives defrauded taxpayers of $500 million a year through the county's child care programs, a grand jury report concluded.  The report found that nearly half the $1.1 billion CalWORKS child care program is lost to fraud.  DPSS staff said the grand jury study shouldn't be used to draw conclusions about child-care fraud because it was not specifically a fraud study.

April 2007 – Los Angeles County
Through their citizen children, illegal immigrants in Los Angeles County collect $420 million annually in welfare and food stamps, according to a report requested by 5th District County Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich.  The Los Angeles County Department of Public Social Services told the supervisor that payments to illegal immigrants' children amount to approximately 24% of the county's combined CalWORKS and food stamps budget.  According to Antonovich's office, illegal immigrants annually cost the county $360 million in health care and $220 million in incarceration costs.

May 2007 – Los Angeles County
While exact figures are difficult to tally, experts estimate as much as $300 billion a year is lost to health care fraud in the United States - more than half of it to organized crime.  Medi-Cal spends about $34 billion annually to provide care for about 7 million indigent Californians - with about $3 billion of that lost to fraud, experts say.  The state Attorney General's Office has a bureau that deals specifically with Medi-Cal fraud. It's prosecuted about 1,000 such cases over the past eight years - double the number for the previous eight years. Most, officials say, are related to organized crime.

these are from California's Department of Social Services.  I have run now, i can't use my google fu, but i'm sure other states have similar stats.

http://www.dss.cahwnet.gov/fraud/PG270.htm

[The True Adonis]

I think there should be a Governments Works Program that allows anyone to sign up for a job that will benefit the public.  For instance, picking up trash on the side of the road all day, Construction work, Road Work, Yard Work, Assisting the Elderly, Handyman work etc...

There should be a place where anyone can go and get one of these type of jobs instantly.

[Tre]

Why create More Bureaucracy and strengthen the Government over people`s private lives?

What benefit would this program have other than wasting more Tax Dollars?

Once again, TA is exposing just how anti-conservative - and stupid - many of you self-identifying conservatives are.

If you people who are cheering this ridiculous new law had any sense whatsoever, you'd realize that this is just another attempt by the government to grow itself and its COST...and once again, you dumbasses are falling for it.

Someone who fails the drug test (which is being administered at taxpayer expense) will first appeal the result (at taxpayer expense) and then be re-tested (at taxpayer expense.  A subsequent failure and the individual will seek admission to a treatment program (at taxpayer expense). But if they pass the re-test, then they'll get the benefits (at taxpayer expense).  Upon completion of the publicly-funded treatment program, they'll re-apply and qualify for taxpayer-funded benefits.

So, no matter what the result of the drug, the states will end up providing benefits anyway.

Net result: all this law succeeds in doing is forcing you to pay more for what you were already going to do anyway.  

THINK, people. Damn.

[Red Hook]

Less people on welfare means enough money to test the ones that are on it on a random basis.

huh? did you finish college?

[The True Adonis]

June 2006 – Los Angeles County
Welfare recipients and their friends and relatives defrauded taxpayers of $500 million a year through the county's child care programs, a grand jury report concluded.  The report found that nearly half the $1.1 billion CalWORKS child care program is lost to fraud.  DPSS staff said the grand jury study shouldn't be used to draw conclusions about child-care fraud because it was not specifically a fraud study.

April 2007 – Los Angeles County
Through their citizen children, illegal immigrants in Los Angeles County collect $420 million annually in welfare and food stamps, according to a report requested by 5th District County Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich.  The Los Angeles County Department of Public Social Services told the supervisor that payments to illegal immigrants' children amount to approximately 24% of the county's combined CalWORKS and food stamps budget.  According to Antonovich's office, illegal immigrants annually cost the county $360 million in health care and $220 million in incarceration costs.

May 2007 – Los Angeles County
While exact figures are difficult to tally, experts estimate as much as $300 billion a year is lost to health care fraud in the United States - more than half of it to organized crime.  Medi-Cal spends about $34 billion annually to provide care for about 7 million indigent Californians - with about $3 billion of that lost to fraud, experts say.  The state Attorney General's Office has a bureau that deals specifically with Medi-Cal fraud. It's prosecuted about 1,000 such cases over the past eight years - double the number for the previous eight years. Most, officials say, are related to organized crime.

these are from California's Department of Social Services.  I have run now, i can't use my google fu, but i'm sure other states have similar stats.

http://www.dss.cahwnet.gov/fraud/PG270.htm

They crackdown on Fraud pretty well.  Some people do get away with it for sure, but at least there are measures in place to limit or eliminate it.

November 2006 – Los Angeles County
The woman whose son was at the center of last year's Michael Jackson trial has pleaded no contest to welfare fraud.  Prosecutors contended that she applied for welfare without disclosing she had money from an insurance settlement.  Her attorney said her client "felt she had a viable defense" to the welfare fraud charge, but the attorney says the woman wants to "move on with her life" and not put her family through "a major trial."  The woman was ordered to complete 150 hours of community service and pay $8,600 restitution by April 27th.

[liberty]

If Vince had a half a brain he'd be selling,marketing,promoting some
El Urine de Cleanso i.e.
I imagine sales are about to jump  

[Tre]

You're wrong Vince. You don't understand the severity of the welfare abuse the occurs in Florida. You probably have never even been to Florida.

There would be a LOT less welfare fraud if the personal income tax was eliminated and a national sales tax was collected on virtually everything except food.

THINK.

[Red Hook]

you idiots are advocating a larger government and spending  $5 to save $1? but as long as a few people are kicked off welfare the working populous can feel better.  

penny smart and pound foolish

[Soul Crusher]

One should NEVER relinquish that much control to the Government. 

If they are worried about that - they should not apply in the first place.    Welfare and others tax dollars is not a christmas gift.  

[The True Adonis]

I like my idea of a Government Works Program that allows anyone to sign up for a job that will benefit the public.

[Tre]

I like my idea of a Government Works Program that allows anyone to sign up for a job that will benefit the public.

x2

[Soul Crusher]

I like my idea of a Government Works Program that allows anyone to sign up for a job that will benefit the public.

In my ideal situation:  

I would have every welfare bum assembling for muster at 5:30 am w work boots:

1.  PT for an hour at 6 - 7
2.  7-8 3-5 mile run
3.  8-9 breakfat and shower
4.  9-5 - hard labor in the sweltering heat cleaning trash, roads, planting trees, etc.
5.  5:30 muster and :30 of PT    



        

[deadz]

There would be a LOT less welfare fraud if the personal income tax was eliminated and a national sales tax was collected on virtually everything except food.

THINK.

Income tax??? You think these welfare rats have income, clueless.

[Soul Crusher]

In my ideal situation:  

I would have every welfare bum assembling for muster at 5:30 am w work boots:

1.  PT for an hour at 6 - 7
2.  7-8 3-5 mile run
3.  8-9 breakfat and shower
4.  9-5 - hard labor in the sweltering heat cleaning trash, roads, planting trees, etc.
5.  5:30 muster and :30 of PT    



        

I forgot lunch break w rice, beans, barley, bolongne, p&J, etc     - sorry. 

[JBGRAY]

I believe this law is being challenged in the Florida Supreme Court as it appears to be a violation of the Fourth Amendment.  A similar law passed in Michigan was shot down in the courts.  In addition Rick Scott's wife has significant interest in the private clinics that will be administering the drug tests.

While I believe handouts to the citizenry from the government where there is no good reason is not sustainable over the long term, our foreign aid(esp. to Israel and Saudi Arabia), defense spending, medicare/medicaid, social security, trade deficits, and fraud pose a much more dangerous risk to overall debt than a family receiving some sort of government subsidy.  

[Tre]

Income tax??? You think these welfare rats have income, clueless.

^^Proving just how ignorant most Americans are...

Have you ever driven through any urban 'hood - where normal unemployment can easily be in the 30+% range - and wondered why there are so many tax preparation places there??

It's because the present exemption(dependent)-based system allows them to COLLECT on 'income' that was never paid in the first place.  They actually PROFIT from the setup of the federal income tax system without having real jobs.  You're blind to the facts, hombre.

THINK.

[Tre]

I believe this law is being challenged in the Florida Supreme Court as it appears to be a violation of the Fourth Amendment.  A similar law passed in Michigan was shot down in the courts.  In addition Rick Scott's wife has significant interest in the private clinics that will be administering the drug tests.

While I believe handouts to the citizenry from the government where there is no good reason is not sustainable over the long term, our foreign aid(esp. to Israel and Saudi Arabia), defense spending, medicare/medicaid, social security, trade deficits, and fraud pose a much more dangerous risk to overall debt than a family receiving some sort of government subsidy.  

How many millions of taxpayer dollars will be wasted on the litigation alone?

THINK, people, damn.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

You're wrong Vince. You don't understand the severity of the welfare abuse the occurs in Florida. You probably have never even been to Florida.

Which is why I recommend that government money be placed on debit cards to where they cannot make cash withdrawals.  It doesn't cost a dime to do, allows people to pay their bills, buy food, and the nessesities but prevents people from using the money to buy drugs since drug dealers don't take plastic.  In addition, limits can be set up on it just like a food stamp card to prevent the purchase of beer, alcohol, and liquor.

Lot smarter idea than spending more money for continued drug testing of everyone using the programs  

[deadz]

Which is why I recommend that government money be placed on debit cards to where they cannot make cash withdrawals.  It doesn't cost a dime to do, allows people to pay their bills, buy food, and the nessesities but prevents people from using the money to buy drugs since drug dealers don't take plastic.  In addition, limits can be set up on it just like a food stamp card to prevent the purchase of beer, alcohol, and liquor.

Lot smarter idea than spending more money for continued drug testing of everyone using the programs  

agree on that