florida passes drug testing law

[Soul Crusher]

That means less competition for your descendants and mine. 

You're fine with that, even though you don't realize it.

not true - those people cause taxes to be too high to pay for cops, fire, ems, jails, etc.   

[ManBearPig...]

Which is why I recommend that government money be placed on debit cards to where they cannot make cash withdrawals.  It doesn't cost a dime to do, allows people to pay their bills, buy food, and the nessesities but prevents people from using the money to buy drugs since drug dealers don't take plastic.  In addition, limits can be set up on it just like a food stamp card to prevent the purchase of beer, alcohol, and liquor.

Lot smarter idea than spending more money for continued drug testing of everyone using the programs  

we have that in illinois already.  some guy bought some $150,000 worth of "link" cards here as they're called for his restaurant.  he paid 50 cents on the dollars, and since he lives near a "mlk drive", he had plenty of customers.

even though there's a process (store clerks must check id's, pin number, etc), the clerks just turned a blind eye as this guy was buying thousands of dollars of groceries for his restaurant with a link card.

[deadz]

EPIC FAIL.

2% failed, well the other large % obviusly knows how to beat those tests. It's not that hard.

[ManBearPig...]

2% failed, well the other large % obviusly knows how to beat those tests. It's not that hard.

i see you're keeping this bbing related.

[Tre]

not true - those people cause taxes to be too high to pay for cops, fire, ems, jails, etc.   

We all claim we would love for more people to move into the workforce, but when the rubber meets the road, what we actually do is move as many black and brown people as possible OUT of the workforce and into our for-profit prison system.  Sure, we pay to keep them there, but what those payments do is to secure more wealth-building for our children and our children's children.

Real talk.

[Disgusted]

Why would you want MORE Government involvement in people`s lives?  Do you schmucks also not realize that the Tax Payer is now going to have to PAY FOR THESE EXPENSIVE DRUG TESTS? And then they will have to Staff extra people to administer them, read them, create databases which add nothing but more bureaucratic red tape and an extra unneeded process.

I wonder about some of you sometimes.  I really do.

Jesus I agree. 

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

we have that in illinois already.  some guy bought some $150,000 worth of "link" cards here as they're called for his restaurant.  he paid 50 cents on the dollars, and since he lives near a "mlk drive", he had plenty of customers.

even though there's a process (store clerks must check id's, pin number, etc), the clerks just turned a blind eye as this guy was buying thousands of dollars of groceries for his restaurant with a link card.

Well, that's not a system failure, obviously the clerk was in on it more than likely. 

[Disgusted]

With that kind of "logic" you can make up an excuse to test almost everyone who needs something or wants to make a living. I'll guarentee you one thing, things are going to get a lot worse before they get better if they ever do as far as government being intrusive in our lives.

[Coach is Back!]

Why would you want MORE Government involvement in people`s lives?  Do you schmucks also not realize that the Tax Payer is now going to have to PAY FOR THESE EXPENSIVE DRUG TESTS? And then they will have to Staff extra people to administer them, read them, create databases which add nothing but more bureaucratic red tape and an extra unneeded process.

I wonder about some of you sometimes.  I really do.

All we're doing is subsidizing drug addicts, if they're working and getting welfare there is no incentive for them to get back on their feet. They can get a second job. Why should we keep putting out for people who have no ambition, not even to take care of their kids?

[JOCKTHEGLIDE]

you fellas are funy as fuck,,,not one of you know one person welfare right now,,you fellas still think you get 'food stamps' now,,,hahahha

I know many fellas on food stamps here in arizona,,my business works with folks who get food benefits and my companies who work for other companies,,hire these fellas,,they work great,,We even have many folks from this great depression right now working who were making 90k/year and working 70 hours during the boom,,NOW getting food stamps,,,,they are no different than anyone of you fellas who  are millionaires on getbig,,who log on daily and are CEOs of companies,,,

you fellas bicker more than mary jane would on desperate houswives,,,over nothing that you guys want to fix,,,,
The few who scam,,,welfare are not the respresative of the typical recipient,,,

[sync pulse]

All we're doing is subsidizing drug addicts, if they're working and getting welfare there is no incentive for them to get back on their feet. They can get a second job. Why should we keep putting out for people who have no ambition, not even to take care of their kids?

If a forty hour, five day per week full time job can't pay enough to raise a family,...the job needs to be redesigned...

[Tapeworm]

I have to take a piss test for employment at random times.

You shouldn't have to.  If you want to smoke weed, outside work and in the privacy of your home, that's up to you.  Your private life is none of your employer's business.

1. I believe a private company has a right to administer drug tests. If you don`t like the company`s policies, don`t work there.  

They don't have the right to intrude on the private lives of employees, to act as surrogate law enforcement, or to hire/fire on non-performance based criteria (as established by anti-discrimination law).  Moreover, companies don't make this choice freely.  They are being coerced into testing employees by their insurance carriers as yet another way that insurers get to collect more money and pay out less.  Insurance companies are dictating people's lives to a greater and greater degree every time I turn around, always under the bullshit "It's for your own good/safety" banner.  It's an absurd situation.

[The True Adonis]

You shouldn't have to.  If you want to smoke weed, outside work and in the privacy of your home, that's up to you.  Your private life is none of your employer's business.




They don't have the right to intrude on the private lives of employees, to act as surrogate law enforcement, or to hire/fire on non-performance based criteria (as established by anti-discrimination law).  Moreover, companies don't make this choice freely.  They are being coerced into testing employees by their insurance carriers as yet another way that insurers get to collect more money and pay out less.  Insurance companies are dictating people's lives to a greater and greater degree every time I turn around, always under the bullshit "It's for your own good/safety" banner.  It's an absurd situation.

I think a Private company should have the right to do as they please in regards to drug testing.  Nobody is forcing anyone to go seek employment at a Privately owned company.

[Emmortal]

1. I believe a private company has a right to administer drug tests. If you don`t like the company`s policies, don`t work there.  

2. The "I have to do it, so everyone should have to do it" mentality is how you end up surrendering all of your rights over to the government willingly and give them power they should never have.

3. I do not like to label myself really as I don`t fit into any one ideology at all.   Socialism has nothing to do with Government involvement in Personal lives or the seizure of Private property.  Different levels of Socialism can exist in harmony with Capitalism and does so in the United States and throughout the world.

So what would you suggest one do if you don't like your tax money going to pay for drug addicts on welfare?  Don't pay your taxes?

You also have no idea how much fraud goes on in welfare and how many people are getting who shouldn't be on it.  You act as if only poor honest working people who are down on their luck on welfare when it couldn't be further from the truth.  As things get worse economically you'll see more and more of this, people are tired of giving others a free ride.

[andreisdaman]

you fellas are funy as fuck,,,not one of you know one person welfare right now,,you fellas still think you get 'food stamps' now,,,hahahha

I know many fellas on food stamps here in arizona,,my business works with folks who get food benefits and my companies who work for other companies,,hire these fellas,,they work great,,We even have many folks from this great depression right now working who were making 90k/year and working 70 hours during the boom,,NOW getting food stamps,,,,they are no different than anyone of you fellas who  are millionaires on getbig,,who log on daily and are CEOs of companies,,,

you fellas bicker more than mary jane would on desperate houswives,,,over nothing that you guys want to fix,,,,
The few who scam,,,welfare are not the respresative of the typical recipient,,,

spot on..good post

[tbombz]

I think a Private company should have the right to do as they please in regards to drug testing.  Nobody is forcing anyone to go seek employment at a Privately owned company.

thats bullshit, there are no other options other than privately owned companies. we dont live in a time where people can subsist on their own independently, if you want to have a house, transportation, food on the table, etc.. you have to work for company of some kind.







on the issue of welfare. dont support it. government should provide food and shelter for the poor. i dont see why they should get anything else.

[sync pulse]

you fellas are funy as fuck,,,not one of you know one person welfare right now,,you fellas still think you get 'food stamps' now,,,hahahha

I know many fellas on food stamps here in arizona,,my business works with folks who get food benefits and my companies who work for other companies,,hire these fellas,,they work great,,We even have many folks from this great depression right now working who were making 90k/year and working 70 hours during the boom,,NOW getting food stamps,,,,they are no different than anyone of you fellas who  are millionaires on getbig,,who log on daily and are CEOs of companies,,,

you fellas bicker more than mary jane would on desperate houswives,,,over nothing that you guys want to fix,,,,
The few who scam,,,welfare are not the respresative of the typical recipient,,,

I agree as well.

[Disgusted]

So who gets tested both husband and wife? Not sure how this works, but lets say if Dad ties one on a few times a year and he the unlucky one who gets tested and fails then his whole entire family is denied food for a year even his kids?

[Tapeworm]

I think a Private company should have the right to do as they please in regards to drug testing.  Nobody is forcing anyone to go seek employment at a Privately owned company.

I think I see where you're coming from TA.  A director should be allowed to run his company as he chooses, and as a director I agree that labor laws in general are a pain in the ass, but I don't feel I have a right to police an employee's actions outside of work.  Whether someone can choose to work for me or work somewhere else, my rights as a director end where an individual's rights to privacy begin.

But this is all academic yaking.  In practice, as always, it's about money.  Insurance companies seeking profit, lobbying, making collusive agreements, etc, erode the rights of everyone downstream from them.  And under the current structure, we're all downstream from them.  I know this may seem like a disconnected rant to people who don't deal with them much, but they basically set your company policies for you, your employees, as well as adding to the cost of your product to the consumer, and your opinion on how your own company should be run doesn't mean diddlysquat.

[gcb]

thin end of the wedge - next they'll be random drug testing anybody who works - including everyone's favourite AAS

[ManBearPig...]

thats bullshit, there are no other options other than privately owned companies. we dont live in a time where people can subsist on their own independently, if you want to have a house, transportation, food on the table, etc.. you have to work for company of some kind.







on the issue of welfare. dont support it. government should provide food and shelter for the poor. i dont see why they should get anything else.

ever hear of self-employment, fuckface?

[Tapeworm]

thin end of the wedge - next they'll be random drug testing anybody who works - including everyone's favourite AAS

Hey, The War On Drugs is serious business.  

Now I gotta go get my prescription refilled.  Almost out of my pharmaceuticals.

[ManBearPig...]

I think I see where you're coming from TA.  A director should be allowed to run his company as he chooses, and as a director I agree that labor laws in general are a pain in the ass, but I don't feel I have a right to police an employee's actions outside of work.  Whether someone can choose to work for me or work somewhere else, my rights as a director end where an individual's rights to privacy begin.

But this is all academic yaking.  In practice, as always, it's about money.  Insurance companies seeking profit, lobbying, making collusive agreements, etc, erode the rights of everyone downstream from them.  And under the current structure, we're all downstream from them.  I know this may seem like a disconnected rant to people who don't deal with them much, but they basically set your company policies for you, your employees, as well as adding to the cost of your product to the consumer, and your opinion on how your own company should be run doesn't mean diddlysquat.

i saw a case the other night on tv where an employer was firing his employees who smoked at home.  yes, at home, because he made a case that they're poisoning themselves at home, thereby reducing their productivity at work and running up his healthcare costs.  do you think he was in the wrong?

[ManBearPig...]

thats bullshit, there are no other options other than privately owned companies. we dont live in a time where people can subsist on their own independently, if you want to have a house, transportation, food on the table, etc.. you have to work for company of some kind.







on the issue of welfare. dont support it. government should provide food and shelter for the poor. i dont see why they should get anything else.

where do you think the government gets its money from you stupid fuck?  and since when do us commoners get to choose which government programs we support and which we dont?

you're fucking painfully stupid.

[Tapeworm]

i saw a case the other night on tv where an employer was firing his employees who smoked at home.  yes, at home, because he made a case that they're poisoning themselves at home, thereby reducing their productivity at work and running up his healthcare costs.  do you think he was in the wrong?

Smoke breaks at work would reduce productivity but you said they are only smoking at home, so:

I hate to harp on here, but...

They're not his "healthcare costs."  They're his insurance premiums.  While his insurer stopped short of saying he had to fire smokers, a policy of charging more for smokers is clearly coercive.  "You can choose option A or you can choose option B.  Of course, if you choose option B we're going to cut your arm off with this rusty axe.  But you are 'free' to choose either option."  Gee, thanks.

He's doing what he has to do in order to stay in business.
The employees aren't doing anything illegal.

Who is squeezing everyone and who would everyone be happier without, but who was hidden away enough in the background that you didn't even ask if they played any part, even though they precipitated the whole thing?  Clever, aren't they!