Author Topic: Great Video of 1995 Arnold Classic (Read 10220 times)

Iceman1981 · « **on:** August 31, 2011, 04:24:04 PM »

It starts from 3:35

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NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #1 on:** August 31, 2011, 04:30:44 PM »

Quote from: Iceman1981 on August 31, 2011, 04:24:04 PM

It starts from 3:35

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Lee Labrada's last show , Francios won over Flex

Iceman1981 · « **Reply #2 on:** August 31, 2011, 04:32:49 PM »

Francois looked amazing at that show. Also, Munzer really knows how to hit the front latspread. I put him up there with the best in that pose.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #3 on:** August 31, 2011, 04:36:45 PM »

Quote from: Iceman1981 on August 31, 2011, 04:32:49 PM

Francois looked amazing at that show. Also, Munzer really knows how to hit the front latspread. I put him up there with the best in that pose.

Iceman1981 · « **Reply #4 on:** August 31, 2011, 04:46:16 PM »

Francois's Routine

Wheeler's Rountine

Parker · « **Reply #5 on:** August 31, 2011, 04:47:41 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on August 31, 2011, 04:36:45 PM

The barometer for Flex- soft in the lower back, glutes and hams---Mike is harder in those areas.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #6 on:** August 31, 2011, 04:49:12 PM »

Quote from: GangstaLean on August 31, 2011, 04:47:41 PM

The barometer for Flex- soft in the lower back, glutes and hams---Mike is harder in those areas.

Which is why Flex lost this shot $:-\$ Haney said he had Flex winning said Mike looked to ' lumpy '

Iceman1981 · « **Reply #7 on:** August 31, 2011, 04:52:05 PM »

If Flex had brought better conditioning he would of won, but he was off.

Iceman1981 · « **Reply #8 on:** August 31, 2011, 04:54:38 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on August 31, 2011, 04:30:44 PM

Lee Labrada's last show , Francios won over Flex

kiwiol · « **Reply #9 on:** August 31, 2011, 09:56:33 PM »

Quote from: Iceman1981 on August 31, 2011, 04:52:05 PM

If Flex had brought better conditioning he would of won, but he was off.

I doubt that. Mike had great conditioning and too much size for Flex to beat. He won that contest easy, esp. with the back poses where he was twice as wide as Flex.

He would've gone all the way to the top if it wasn't for his Colitis. He was younger and bigger/better than most of the other pros during his time.

Parker · « **Reply #10 on:** August 31, 2011, 10:25:29 PM »

Quote from: kiwiol on August 31, 2011, 09:56:33 PM

I doubt that. Mike had great conditioning and too much size for Flex to beat. He won that contest easy, esp. with the back poses where he was twice as wide as Flex.

He would've gone all the way to the top if it wasn't for his Colitis. He was younger and bigger/better than most of the other pros during his time.

Had Flex been more conditioned, say like in 93, he'd have won easily...tighter in the glutes, lower back, and hams...that was all he needed...also look at his abs as well, when Flex is on, his abs look different...

kiwiol · « **Reply #11 on:** August 31, 2011, 10:31:22 PM »

Quote from: GangstaLean on August 31, 2011, 10:25:29 PM

Had Flex been more conditioned, say like in 93, he'd have won easily...tighter in the glutes, lower back, and hams...that was all he needed...also look at his abs as well, when Flex is on, his abs look different...

Arguable, Parker. A Flex in shape is very hard to beat, NDAI, but Mike had no major weaknesses, some freaky body parts and was twice as wide. His waist wasn't small, but he had a better taper than most guys because of his width.

If Mike had showed up in that shape for the Olympia that year, he would've probably placed 2nd or 3rd. Flex can't hang with him in the front and back lat spread.

Parker · « **Reply #12 on:** September 01, 2011, 02:18:41 AM »

Quote from: kiwiol on August 31, 2011, 10:31:22 PM

Arguable, Parker. A Flex in shape is very hard to beat, NDAI, but Mike had no major weaknesses, some freaky body parts and was twice as wide. His waist wasn't small, but he had a better taper than most guys because of his width.

If Mike had showed up in that shape for the Olympia that year, he would've probably placed 2nd or 3rd. Flex can't hang with him in the front and back lat spread.

Quite true, and the thing was, Mike didn't start coming into his own, after the 95 win, but then, Look where he placed at the 97 AC, and where Flex placed as well.
The problem with Mike was that he was Blocky---thick, but blocky...

I do think that had he not gotten sick, he just might have been Mr. O after Ronnie's reign, if not giving Ronnie a real good run for his money.

Sherief Shalaby · « **Reply #13 on:** September 01, 2011, 02:30:38 AM »

Quote from: kiwiol on August 31, 2011, 09:56:33 PM

I doubt that. Mike had great conditioning and too much size for Flex to beat. He won that contest easy, esp. with the back poses where he was twice as wide as Flex.

He would've gone all the way to the top if it wasn't for his Colitis. He was younger and bigger/better than most of the other pros during his time.

you are wrong kiwi,.. mike was 240 pounds and flex was (according to the contest tape) 235 pounds so the difference was not big at all.. but sure the condition difference between the 2 was clear,.. mike presented his best ever shape while flex, although looked ok, was faraway from his best..

and mike was not younger than most of the top pros in his time,.. he was nearly the same age as flex, ray, levrone, nasser, paul..

Meso_z · « **Reply #14 on:** September 01, 2011, 02:33:31 AM »

Mike Francois was a tank..

Sherief Shalaby · « **Reply #15 on:** September 01, 2011, 02:44:36 AM »

the lighting was not very good..

Sherief Shalaby · « **Reply #16 on:** September 01, 2011, 02:59:21 AM »

comparison between labrada in 1992 (one of his best shapes) and in 1995 when he placed 5th at the AC after guys like clairmont and munzer.. i dont see a big difference if any.. it was just a turning point in bb and size has become more important than good proportion and athletic lines..

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=312184.0

littleguns · « **Reply #17 on:** September 01, 2011, 12:47:30 PM »

Charles Claremont and Aaron Baker...2 greats that are had phenomal physiques

apply85 · « **Reply #18 on:** September 01, 2011, 01:03:19 PM »

Poor andy, he should not have been a bodybuilder, only really looks good in front lat spread because he squeezes his waste together with his hands and finally has a v taper, but mike francois, wwow, he and maratazzo I think are the two best white bodybuilders ever.

Sherief Shalaby · « **Reply #19 on:** September 01, 2011, 01:20:32 PM »

Quote from: apply85 on September 01, 2011, 01:03:19 PM

Poor andy, he should not have been a bodybuilder, only really looks good in front lat spread because he squeezes his waste together with his hands and finally has a v taper, but mike francois, wwow, he and maratazzo I think are the two best white bodybuilders ever.

lol you must be kidding!!..

apply85 · « **Reply #20 on:** September 01, 2011, 01:27:34 PM »

Yes, I don't like dorian, nice back thats it, I don't like arnold, arms chest okay what happened to your legs, he was more of a gym rat who was trying to get famous than a bodybuilder imo, zane had the legs of a midget otherwise very nice, matarazzo and francois... those two in my mind are the only ones who can hold a candle to the blacks. Maybe bob paris... maybe reeves

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #21 on:** September 01, 2011, 01:30:03 PM »

Quote from: apply85 on September 01, 2011, 01:27:34 PM

Yes, I don't like dorian, nice back thats it, I don't like arnold, arms chest okay what happened to your legs, he was more of a gym rat who was trying to get famous than a bodybuilder imo, zane had the legs of a midget otherwise very nice, matarazzo and francois... those two in my mind are the only ones who can hold a candle to the blacks. Maybe bob paris... maybe reeves

Mike and Andy , Mike

apply85 · « **Reply #22 on:** September 01, 2011, 01:32:33 PM »

andy looks good hear, nice striations in the shoulders, nice width on lats but thats it, mike wins, Im not some bodybuilding expert or authority, just stating my opinion

GroinkTropin · « **Reply #23 on:** September 01, 2011, 04:44:16 PM »

Quote from: Iceman1981 on August 31, 2011, 04:24:04 PM

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Wow man thanks for that!

kiwiol · « **Reply #24 on:** September 01, 2011, 05:09:38 PM »

Quote from: Sherief Shalaby on September 01, 2011, 02:30:38 AM

you are wrong kiwi,.. mike was 240 pounds and flex was (according to the contest tape) 235 pounds so the difference was not big at all.. but sure the condition difference between the 2 was clear,.. mike presented his best ever shape while flex, although looked ok, was faraway from his best..

and mike was not younger than most of the top pros in his time,.. he was nearly the same age as flex, ray, levrone, nasser, paul..

Mike's legs and back were a lot bigger than Flex. He was around 245 lb in that contest and Flex was at least 20 lb lighter.

As for the age comment, Mike won the AC on his 30th birthday, which is fairly young. And he was fast improving. Who knows what he could've done in another 4-5 years. This is all just speculation, of course.