Great Video of 1995 Arnold Classic

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Matarazzo was overrated .

[NarcissisticDeity]

Mike's legs and back were a lot bigger than Flex. He was around 245 lb in that contest and Flex was at least 20 lb lighter.

As for the age comment, Mike won the AC on his 30th birthday, which is fairly young. And he was fast improving. Who knows what he could've done in another 4-5 years. This is all just speculation, of course.

well it's not just the weight difference it's the density difference , the scale make have said 240-235 but Mike was hard as nails and dry fuck , Flex was soft when Flex got really dry and hard he was under 220lbs

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Who is this guy ?

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Who is this guy ?

Never mind his name is  Agathoklis Agathoklous , can you believe this guy took last place at 1997 Arnold.

[Sherief Shalaby]

Yes, I don't like dorian, nice back thats it, I don't like arnold, arms chest okay what happened to your legs, he was more of a gym rat who was trying to get famous than a bodybuilder imo, zane had the legs of a midget otherwise very nice, matarazzo and francois... those two in my mind are the only ones who can hold a candle to the blacks. Maybe bob paris... maybe reeves

francois was very good but he didnt reach the level he could.. his best was this contest (AC 95).. but matarazzo had plenty of weaknesses to be considered the best or among the best.. his upper body was very long for his lower body,.. his upper legs were overpowered by his great calves.. very long abs and high lats.. everything on him was average except his biceps and calves.. so i am astonished you see arnold just arms and chest while matarzoo the best ever.. sure it's  a matter of taste my friend..

[Sherief Shalaby]

andy looks good hear, nice striations in the shoulders, nice width on lats but thats it, mike wins, Im not some bodybuilding expert or authority, just stating my opinion

mike's back looks good here because of his great condition but beside others with great backs it was totally dominated.. i remember at the NOC 98 he looked like a kid from the rear beside ronnie and levrone when he came 3rd (which was one of his best shapes/results) ever.. good bb but not great and very far away from being the greatest ever!!..

[Sherief Shalaby]

Mike's legs and back were a lot bigger than Flex. He was around 245 lb in that contest and Flex was at least 20 lb lighter.

As for the age comment, Mike won the AC on his 30th birthday, which is fairly young. And he was fast improving. Who knows what he could've done in another 4-5 years. This is all just speculation, of course.

seems that you didnt see the above videos!!.. or you dont believe them!!.. according to them mike was 240 pounds and flex was 235 pounds

as for mike's age sure he was still young but i was saying he was not younger than most of the top pros as you had said!!.. he was older than nasser, levrone, wheeler, dillett, cormier just to mention some

[Sherief Shalaby]

well it's not just the weight difference it's the density difference , the scale make have said 240-235 but Mike was hard as nails and dry fuck , Flex was soft when Flex got really dry and hard he was under 220lbs

yes sure and if your revert to my comment i said it was only 5 pounds difference in weight but flex was an inch taller and mike's condition was clearly better!!..

[Parker]

yes sure and if your revert to my comment i said it was only 5 pounds difference in weight but flex was an inch taller and mike's condition was clearly better!!..

The problem is, Flex was never 235 at that AC....he looked around 226...Flex came in around 224 at the 97 Arnold in better, but still off his 93 Arnold conditioning...

[Sherief Shalaby]

The problem is, Flex was never 235 at that AC....he looked around 226...Flex came in around 224 at the 97 Arnold in better, but still off his 93 Arnold conditioning...

but the tape of the show mentions his weight as 235 pounds!!.. sure they were scaling them,.. i dont think they were just going to flex asking him "what is your weight today champ??"..

[Parker]

but the tape of the show mentions his weight as 235 pounds!!.. sure they were scaling them,.. i dont think they were just going to flex asking him "what is your weight today champ??"..

When Flex won the Arnold in 93, the tape show 235 pounds...Flex was 216 when he won...He was possibly 235 at the 93 Ironman, as he looked fuller...Whoever got that weight, probalby asked Flex and he gave that weight, to my knowledge he was never weighed at 235...Flex didn't start going into the 230s until 96-97.

[20inch calves]

I doubt that. Mike had great conditioning and too much size for Flex to beat. He won that contest easy, esp. with the back poses where he was twice as wide as Flex.

He would've gone all the way to the top if it wasn't for his Colitis. He was younger and bigger/better than most of the other pros during his time.

i agree mike was a great bber. he would have went far. IMO better than flex

[Parker]

i agree mike was a great bber. he would have went far. IMO better than flex

He would have been the next Dorian-sque bber, but Mike in Shape vs Flex in shape---it was all Flex, check AC 97....

[Sherief Shalaby]

He would have been the next Dorian-sque bber, but Mike in Shape vs Flex in shape---it was all Flex, check AC 97....

i agree that flex at his very best would beat mike at his very best but i think flex already reached his best limits while mike didn't..

at AC 97 both were in good sahpes but not their best..

and yes mike was expected/preared to be the next mr. olympia and this is why they made him win the NOC 94 over nasser who was clearly better.. check this:

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=241081.0

[Parker]

i agree that flex at his very best would beat mike at his very best but i think flex already reached his best limits while mike didn't..

at AC 97 both were in good sahpes but not their best..

and yes mike was expected/preared to be the next mr. olympia and this is why they made him win the NOC 94 over nasser who was clearly better.. check this:

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=241081.0

Problem is, as ND stated, Nasser was two diff bodybuilders from the front two the back...He had a hard time beating John Sherman at the same contest...John was 5'4 192, and could match quads with both Mike and Nasser.
By 95, Mike had a way better back than Nasser could dream to ever have, and this was due to Mike's hybrid PL/bber type workouts... heavy deadlifts, squats, and leg presses made Mike into a thick ass monster...by 97, Mike a was badass..