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GetBig Political Board Posting Guidelines
« on: September 01, 2011, 03:10:51 PM »
1.  Make Shit Up

Don't know what the fuck you're talking about?  Can't quite keep up with the conversation?  Or maybe you're just completely lost but want to contribute to the board anyway?

Don't worry, just make some shit up. 

It really looks impressive if you throw out some statistics too.  Do you know what the Vice President of Engineering for Cisco makes each year and pays in taxes?  Nope.  But it doesn't matter.  Just claim all rich people only pay 8% in taxes and that everybody else is getting screwed over.  It always looks good when you make shit up while portraying yourself as the underdog.

Do you really know how many people actually need food?  Have you been actively keeping up with abortion statistics in the United States?  Do you really follow oil futures?  Who cares?  Just make a claim and use a high enough percentage to be plausible, but low enough that nobody will probably question. 9 times out of 10, nobody's going to bother checking your bullshit.  If they do, just move to Rules #2-4.

     
2.  Disappear

Has your argument been completely decimated?  Somebody call you out on Rule #1?  Don't worry, just disappear from the thread and hope that nobody will notice.  Afterall, if they call you out on it, you can just claim that you, unlike they, actually have a "life" and didn't have time to respond.  Don't worry about the fact that you don't know the person (Rule #1 still applies).

You should also never worry about the fact that you just posted in the threads directly above.  Afterall, you have a "life", the guy who just destroyed your claims doesn't.


3.  Liberally use Wall-O-Text

Okay, so you made some shit up, got called out on it, but don't want to disappear.  The next best tactic is to create a Wall-O-Text.  Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, is going to read your 105 paragraph post, cut and pasted from some obscure website.

For added benefit, always highlight, italicize, underline, and bold various random portions of the paragraphs to make it appear as though you actually took the time to read all that dribble.

**This usually requires a quick follow-up.  Once somebody makes a post after your Wall-O-Text, you immediately post, "It's obvious you didn't read or understand anything of what I just posted", followed by a ::)


4.  Act Like a Bitch When You Get Owned

Got owned?  Get angry. 

Go on a posting rampage and start name calling and putting people down.  Make up some shit about their family (Rule #1).  Accuse them of being gay, a bigot, racist, neocon, socialist, sheeple.

Remember, if this doesn't work, you can always disappear.  Afterall, YOU have a "life".


5.  Declare a Conspiracy

So, the President of the United States didn't personally call you up and fill you in on all the details about how the Seals took out Osama bin-Laden.  Nothing to worry about.  Rule #1 and your "sources" claim Osama was on the top floor and the Seals were making "all kinds of noise" on the bottom floor.  Even though you've never participated in a Seal raid, never been raided by Seals, and probably never even met a Seal, you do "know" that if you had been Osama, you would have grabbed your loaded weapon and been completely ready.

Of course, Osama would have reacted in EXACTLY the same manner as you.  You "know" this.  Anybody who would disagree is obviously an idiot.  But that's not how it's reported.  No doubt, you've unearthed yet another conspiracy.

Congratulations!  From your trailer park, you've not only been able to deduce how things "probably" went down, but you can flood the board with "mysterious questions" such as whether or not the President would actually sit "behind" a staffer (you have to expect people to ignore the fact that you've never actually been to a Presidential staff meeting - Rule #1 always applies). 
 

6.  Declare it's not a Conspiracy

Ah, a favorite twist of the conspiracy theorist.  It's not a conspiracy, it's known and established "fact".  It's all around you sheeple, you just have to open your eyes.

You are one of the elite few who has managed to put all the pieces together.  The "facts" are established and known.  But, it's your superior intellect that managed to do what few others could - figure out what really happened.  Thankfully, for the rest of the GetBig political board, you've opted to educate us sheeple.
   

7.  Pretend You Didn't Mean What You Meant

Uh-oh, did you just make an ass of yourself?  Did you really throw up a post where you highlighted, underlined, bolded, and enlarged the font to say, "The Laws of Physics are different on Jupiter than on Earth"?  Did you actually just claim the President doesn't live in the Whitehouse?

No problem.  In your very next post, just claim that's not what you meant and accuse EVERYBODY of taking you out of "context" -even if that was the only line in your post.  You have nothing to worry about - it fools everybody everytime.
   

8.  Distort What Somebody Really Meant

Did that asshole poster just use the word "always" when noting that Congress opens with a prayer?

Well, well, well.  That is your opening to attack his statement with something "substantial". 

Now, since you just spent the last 6 hours on Google looking up the 3 times Congress opened without a prayer, you can totally own this douchebag.  And, make certain you call them a "liar" in every subsequent post - that'll really dig it in and show him who owned his ass. 


9.  Declare All Politicians and Political Parties Suck

You and You alone are above the fray.  The rest of these sheeple are caught up in their fake paradigms, never understanding the true nature of politics.  But your keen insight into the political process allows you to see and understand what everyone else won't or can't.  You alone have managed to deduce that all sides have problems.

Because you have expended the majority of your mental faculties in deriving this observation, you now feel compelled, dare I say obligated, to announce this stunning revelation to the entire GetBig political board.  I can assure you that the rest of us appreciate this newly revealed information and hope that you continue your autistic tradition of endlessly repeating it.
 

10.  Be Creative with Your Sources

Can't find a legitimate source to support your bullshit?  No worries.  Quote a fashion blog, use a fake website, act like Wikipedia is an authoritative source.  Remember all that time you spent bashing Fox and MSNBC (see Rule #15)?  Well, turns out you're still free to use them as valid sources since they support your claim. 

And don't just get caught up in the type of source.  Quantity matters!  Somebody dare call bullshit on your claim?  Post 50 fucking links.  It doesn't matter if NONE of the links actually support your claim.  It looks good.  Besides, you can still fall back on Rules #2-#4.


11.  When One Side Does Something Wrong, Always Point to Something Wrong on the Other Side

The best part about this one is that it doesn't even have to be remotely related to the thread.

Did your conservative anti-gay rights congressman just take it up the ass?  Well, you better get in that thread and point out that Nancy Pelosi wants free airplane rides.

Did your President just rack up trillions of dollars of debt?  Well, you know what to do...
 

12.  Act as though YOU are the Only Person Serious about the Issues

Did some jackass poster just put up thread about your President throwing a ball like a bitch?

Clearly this type of unprofessionalism has no place on a bodybuilding board where serious political discourse is expected to take place.  This is GetBig.com, not the Huffington Post.

Things are different here - and so are you.  You're not capable of dealing with both serious and fun issues, so obviously nobody else could possibly manage such a grandiose feat.  Make sure you get in that thread and let them know it. 
 

13.  Always Use Thread Titles to Convey Catastrophe, Disaster, Heroism, Insults, or some other Extreme

It's not, "Ron Paul would make a Great President"
It's, "Honest, Fair RP - Better than the Fucktard You Support"

It's not, "Unemployed People Desperately seek Food"
It's, "Communist Leeches Demand Free Shit"

It's not, "Congress Failed to Understand the Economic Issues"
It's, "Incompetent Boobs in DC Ruined the ENTIRE Nation Forever"


14.  Deny Your Hypocrisy

Did you just go on a 30 post rampage slamming Republicans only to find out that Democrats did the exact same thing?  Aw shit, time for some damage control.

Immediately claim that it's "different". 

Do you see how truly clever you are?  No two situations are completely alike or truly "exact".  Hence your claim of it being "different" shows everyone what a complete genius you really are.

Careful though.  Rule #9 people are always lurking about the board. 


15.  Declare all the MSM as Biased Hacks and Tell Everyone that You Only Use "Valid" News Sources

It's completely en vogue, and everybody will admire you.  You'll be considered a "serious intellect" who's very knowledgeable and really likes to get to the depths of a news story.  Toss around some "valid" sources like "rense" or "democratic underground".

Talk about how your geek ass likes to listen to NPR and serious political commentators like Kevin Phillips.  Regale the board with political philosophy and point out that you get your information from BOOKS!  Afterall, you've got a life.

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Re: GetBig Political Board Posting Guidelines
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2011, 03:12:16 PM »
Have to credit Hugo.  He posted a link to another board that had their own such guidelines so I felt we needed some.

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Re: GetBig Political Board Posting Guidelines
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2011, 03:16:59 PM »
9.  Declare All Politicians and Political Parties Suck

You and You alone are above the fray.  The rest of these sheeple are caught up in their fake paradigms, never understanding the true nature of politics.  But your keen insight into the political process allows you to see and understand what everyone else won't or can't.  You alone have managed to deduce that all sides have problems.

Because you have expended the majority of your mental faculties in deriving this observation, you now feel compelled, dare I say obligated, to announce this stunning revelation to the entire GetBig political board.  I can assure you that the rest of us appreciate this newly revealed information and hope that you continue your autistic tradition of endlessly repeating it.




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This one always makes me laugh when people do that.  Its like why even discuss politics in the first place?

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Re: GetBig Political Board Posting Guidelines
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2011, 03:50:48 PM »
hahaha!!  AWESOME LIST!

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Re: GetBig Political Board Posting Guidelines
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2011, 03:55:38 PM »
I'm guilty of a few. 

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« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2011, 04:56:01 PM »
Great list!
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Re: GetBig Political Board Posting Guidelines
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2011, 05:02:39 PM »
9.  Declare All Politicians and Political Parties Suck

You and You alone are above the fray.  The rest of these sheeple are caught up in their fake paradigms, never understanding the true nature of politics.  But your keen insight into the political process allows you to see and understand what everyone else won't or can't.  You alone have managed to deduce that all sides have problems.

Because you have expended the majority of your mental faculties in deriving this observation, you now feel compelled, dare I say obligated, to announce this stunning revelation to the entire GetBig political board.  I can assure you that the rest of us appreciate this newly revealed information and hope that you continue your autistic tradition of endlessly repeating it.




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This one always makes me laugh when people do that.  Its like why even discuss politics in the first place?

Hahaha, best one by far.

Awesome list, Skip. Morons take notice.

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Re: GetBig Political Board Posting Guidelines
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2011, 01:11:24 PM »
I'm guilty of a few. 

Probably all are at one point - though I think Andre will fit 1-15, haha.

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Re: GetBig Political Board Posting Guidelines
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2011, 01:15:26 PM »
Definitely see this one all the time.  lol

11.  When One Side Does Something Wrong, Always Point to Something Wrong on the Other Side

The best part about this one is that it doesn't even have to be remotely related to the thread.

Did your conservative anti-gay rights congressman just take it up the ass?  Well, you better get in that thread and point out that Nancy Pelosi wants free airplane rides.

Did your President just rack up trillions of dollars of debt?  Well, you know what to do...

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« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2011, 01:31:49 PM »
Definitely see this one all the time.  lol

11.  When One Side Does Something Wrong, Always Point to Something Wrong on the Other Side

The best part about this one is that it doesn't even have to be remotely related to the thread.

Did your conservative anti-gay rights congressman just take it up the ass?  Well, you better get in that thread and point out that Nancy Pelosi wants free airplane rides.

Did your President just rack up trillions of dollars of debt?  Well, you know what to do...



haha

There's a couple that I've thought of since that I forgot to put on.  Maybe I'll more later.

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Re: GetBig Political Board Posting Guidelines
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2011, 01:33:57 PM »
We need to sticky this for good.   


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Re: GetBig Political Board Posting Guidelines
« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2011, 01:35:08 PM »
2.  Disappear

Has your argument been completely decimated?  Somebody call you out on Rule #1?  Don't worry, just disappear from the thread and hope that nobody will notice.  Afterall, if they call you out on it, you can just claim that you, unlike they, actually have a "life" and didn't have time to respond.  Don't worry about the fact that you don't know the person (Rule #1 still applies).

You should also never worry about the fact that you just posted in the threads directly above.  Afterall, you have a "life", the guy who just destroyed your claims doesn't.



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Re: GetBig Political Board Posting Guidelines
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2011, 08:42:48 PM »
uhhh, on number 9, is that a joke?... most politicians do fucking suck and on several issues the two major parties we will most likely have the only choice between a majority of the time suck ass.  If on a major point it looks to me to be between which party or candidate sucks less, I think I can say they both fucking suck.  And then we see over and over stupid wedge issues used for the explicit reason of getting people to the polls on stupid shit over critical issues.

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Check out the approval rating for congress at pollingreport.com and check out each party seperately.  It's pretty clear that a whole lotta people view almost all of these guys as completely useless.

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« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2011, 12:42:36 PM »
I'm guilty of a few. 

you're guilty of all

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« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2011, 01:24:18 PM »
Probably all are at one point - though I think Andre will fit 1-15, haha.

ha..funny that you would think that...I am one of the fairest guys on here..when someone makes a good point I agree with them or give them credit...but lets face it.... I have given the people who I mostly fight with on here, namely 3333, Berzerk, Gigantor, etc credit when they are right and have agreed with them sometimes...but I have never ever seen the conservatives on here disagree with each other or agree with the point of view of someone who is not conservative...they parrot each other's points of view with no real vetting whatsoever......these guys mostly spend time attacking the democrats and liberals without offering any kind of solutions...

I have asked 3333 and Berzerk many times to give their answer to a problem afflicting the nation..I get no response and just more attacks on my positions....and then when you point out their own hypocrisy they just keep on going ..no acknowledgment that just maybe their position on a certain issue could have been wrong....they just continue to attack....I have disappeared from threads due to being busy or because my computer has a virus...sometimes i don't return to threads because I have said all I have to say on a subject and feel its time to move on and not continue to rehash the same things over and over like 3333 does....

also why stay in threads once they degenerate into name-calling and stupid intransigence???....I have engaged in name-calling as well when the conservatives on here begin to engage in racist nonsense.  I wonder Skip, why you didn't include that in your 15 principles?....3333 and Berzerk engage in this type of behavior all the time when they are called out on something and proven wrong...they don't admit to being wrong , they just start spewing racist garbage that has nothing to do with the debate....I'm not sensitive and sometimes its actually funny...I'm just curious as to why you didn't mention this???? George Whorewell does this as well....

I have realized that there is no real debate on these boards so I stopped wasting time fighting with guys in here who don't get it..I just respond to persons like 240 who seem to be fair-minded....I respond to 3333 because we have a long history and we live in the same neighborhood but there is no real debate with him...he's a lunatic..LOL..again I have never seen the conservatives on here disagree with each other....they simply gang up on people with no thought whatsoever and reinforce each other's opinions...

I even stopped posting proof of my assertions because they would be ignored and denigrated as "not credible" even when it was a conservative source.....

example....When the speaker of the house, John Boehner proclaimed that Obama had handled Egypt correctly and was indeed a citizen, Berzerk and others claimed that Boehner had no credibility and didn't Know what he was talking about....WOW!....the speaker of the house, third in line to the presidency of the U.S. HAS NO LEGITIMACY AND DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT???? ..how can that be?

so..how can you argue with people who believe that the speaker of the house has no credibility and doesn't know what he is doing???....what more credible source do you want????..also I like how they complain when I cite CNN as a source yet they dare want to cite FOX news???..WOW!

 I once cited David Gergen as a source for some favorable things he said about Obama..again..I was told by the conservatives that Gergen had no credibility and didn't know what he was talking about.....this guy is considered a conservative and has worked for four presidents in their administrations and DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT???..again..WOW!!!!..also when I cite unemployment figures from the department of labor that favor Obama, the figures are called out as being bogus and doctored to make Obama look good....but then when the Labor dept. cites figures unfavorable to Obama the conservatives cite these as proof that Obama is doing a poor job...and when I point this out to them again its ignored and they continue on with partisan nonsense...they want it both ways....

sorry for being so long-winded skip, but I wish you would have pointed these facts out as well if you were interested in being truly fair

The real problem with the political discussion boards is that there are no true referees to sort things out and call out people for citing bogus sources, hyper-partisanship which makes no sense, and racist name-calling when their opinions don't pan out.....it is just a free-for-all where no one acknowledges any one else's legit point of view. I think the real problem you guys have with me is that I fight it out with you guys and don't give up like others do...I give as well as I take....




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« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2011, 01:31:01 PM »
Holy meltdown batman! 

Btw - its great fun to call you and obama names.

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« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2011, 03:27:17 PM »
Holy meltdown batman! 

Btw - its great fun to call you and obama names.

well..if you consider what I said above a "meltdown" then that shows you whats wrong with this board

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« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2011, 04:47:05 PM »
Take your beatings and deal with it.

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« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2011, 09:55:36 PM »
Take your beatings and deal with it.

the problem is you're constantly getting your ass beaten here and still continue with your nonsense...you ae totally delusional./.LOL

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« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2011, 03:07:53 PM »
uhhh, on number 9, is that a joke?... most politicians do fucking suck and on several issues the two major parties we will most likely have the only choice between a majority of the time suck ass.  If on a major point it looks to me to be between which party or candidate sucks less, I think I can say they both fucking suck.  And then we see over and over stupid wedge issues used for the explicit reason of getting people to the polls on stupid shit over critical issues.

Check out the approval rating for congress at pollingreport.com and check out each party seperately.  It's pretty clear that a whole lotta people view almost all of these guys as completely useless.


Not the point I was making.  We know they all suck.

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« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2011, 03:16:30 PM »
ha..funny that you would think that...I am one of the fairest guys on here..when someone makes a good point I agree with them or give them credit...but lets face it.... I have given the people who I mostly fight with on here, namely 3333, Berzerk, Gigantor, etc credit when they are right and have agreed with them sometimes...but I have never ever seen the conservatives on here disagree with each other or agree with the point of view of someone who is not conservative...they parrot each other's points of view with no real vetting whatsoever......these guys mostly spend time attacking the democrats and liberals without offering any kind of solutions...

I have asked 3333 and Berzerk many times to give their answer to a problem afflicting the nation..I get no response and just more attacks on my positions....and then when you point out their own hypocrisy they just keep on going ..no acknowledgment that just maybe their position on a certain issue could have been wrong....they just continue to attack....I have disappeared from threads due to being busy or because my computer has a virus...sometimes i don't return to threads because I have said all I have to say on a subject and feel its time to move on and not continue to rehash the same things over and over like 3333 does....

also why stay in threads once they degenerate into name-calling and stupid intransigence???....I have engaged in name-calling as well when the conservatives on here begin to engage in racist nonsense.  I wonder Skip, why you didn't include that in your 15 principles?....3333 and Berzerk engage in this type of behavior all the time when they are called out on something and proven wrong...they don't admit to being wrong , they just start spewing racist garbage that has nothing to do with the debate....I'm not sensitive and sometimes its actually funny...I'm just curious as to why you didn't mention this???? George Whorewell does this as well....

I have realized that there is no real debate on these boards so I stopped wasting time fighting with guys in here who don't get it..I just respond to persons like 240 who seem to be fair-minded....I respond to 3333 because we have a long history and we live in the same neighborhood but there is no real debate with him...he's a lunatic..LOL..again I have never seen the conservatives on here disagree with each other....they simply gang up on people with no thought whatsoever and reinforce each other's opinions...

I even stopped posting proof of my assertions because they would be ignored and denigrated as "not credible" even when it was a conservative source.....

example....When the speaker of the house, John Boehner proclaimed that Obama had handled Egypt correctly and was indeed a citizen, Berzerk and others claimed that Boehner had no credibility and didn't Know what he was talking about....WOW!....the speaker of the house, third in line to the presidency of the U.S. HAS NO LEGITIMACY AND DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT???? ..how can that be?

so..how can you argue with people who believe that the speaker of the house has no credibility and doesn't know what he is doing???....what more credible source do you want????..also I like how they complain when I cite CNN as a source yet they dare want to cite FOX news???..WOW!

 I once cited David Gergen as a source for some favorable things he said about Obama..again..I was told by the conservatives that Gergen had no credibility and didn't know what he was talking about.....this guy is considered a conservative and has worked for four presidents in their administrations and DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT???..again..WOW!!!!..also when I cite unemployment figures from the department of labor that favor Obama, the figures are called out as being bogus and doctored to make Obama look good....but then when the Labor dept. cites figures unfavorable to Obama the conservatives cite these as proof that Obama is doing a poor job...and when I point this out to them again its ignored and they continue on with partisan nonsense...they want it both ways....

sorry for being so long-winded skip, but I wish you would have pointed these facts out as well if you were interested in being truly fair

The real problem with the political discussion boards is that there are no true referees to sort things out and call out people for citing bogus sources, hyper-partisanship which makes no sense, and racist name-calling when their opinions don't pan out.....it is just a free-for-all where no one acknowledges any one else's legit point of view. I think the real problem you guys have with me is that I fight it out with you guys and don't give up like others do...I give as well as I take....







Geez, it's like a book.  I'll try to hit your main points.  First, this isn't directed at one side or another - just some observations that I thought were funny that go on here.  And, like I said, we're all probably guilty.

Second, good point on the name-calling, but I believe I've already mentioned that many were missed - feel free to add your own.

Third, the issue with Boehner is not whether or not he's credible, but just because he has an opinion on something does not mean every conservative (or anyone else) has to agree with it.  It also doesn't mean his opinion is right (and you should be old enough by now to know that there isn't necessarily a right or wrong on every situation).

Fourth, I disagree about the debate.  I think there is good debate here, a good mix of people with different backgrounds, different points of view, varying beliefs, and though many seem to disagree - I think mods do a good job.  Yes, it's on a BB board but so-fucking-what.  It's not like DU or HuffPost are offering some type of piercing insight that nobody else has to offer.

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« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2011, 07:05:39 AM »
That list was tailor-made for the board post whore it seems.

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« Reply #22 on: September 08, 2011, 09:43:37 AM »


Geez, it's like a book.  I'll try to hit your main points.  First, this isn't directed at one side or another - just some observations that I thought were funny that go on here.  And, like I said, we're all probably guilty.

Second, good point on the name-calling, but I believe I've already mentioned that many were missed - feel free to add your own.

Third, the issue with Boehner is not whether or not he's credible, but just because he has an opinion on something does not mean every conservative (or anyone else) has to agree with it.  It also doesn't mean his opinion is right (and you should be old enough by now to know that there isn't necessarily a right or wrong on every situation).

Fourth, I disagree about the debate.  I think there is good debate here, a good mix of people with different backgrounds, different points of view, varying beliefs, and though many seem to disagree - I think mods do a good job.  Yes, it's on a BB board but so-fucking-what.  It's not like DU or HuffPost are offering some type of piercing insight that nobody else has to offer.

well you say its not directed at any one side or another but you mentioned me by name

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« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2011, 03:43:51 PM »
well you say its not directed at any one side or another but you mentioned me by name
there is a reason for that mr."black ppl voted for obama b/c he was black, but race doesnt have anything to do with it" LMFAO

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« Reply #24 on: September 08, 2011, 04:57:02 PM »
well you say its not directed at any one side or another but you mentioned me by name



So?  You think you're an entire side?


I'll agree you probably comprise the vast majority of the retard side - but that's about it.