using steroids pre-21 - bad idea?

[goomba420]

ive seen nothing but advocation for steroid usage on these boards, and i wanted to get some clarification on a few things. would you guys recommend using under age 21? ive built a good base but i cant really eat any more than i am now, constant bloat isn't worth slow gains like this. not only bloat but im always out of breath and tired! some meals i'll go right to bed after eating. im naturally very lean / have a high metabolism so i'll overfeed myself every now and then, but i do have a fidgeting problem (i tap my feet a lot, hands, etc but i am a drummer as well) which i've read is your bodys reaction to additional calories.

[gym**rat]

ive seen nothing but advocation for steroid usage on these boards, and i wanted to get some clarification on a few things. would you guys recommend using under age 21? ive built a good base but i cant really eat any more than i am now, constant bloat isn't worth slow gains like this. not only bloat but im always out of breath and tired! some meals i'll go right to bed after eating. im naturally very lean / have a high metabolism so i'll overfeed myself every now and then, but i do have a fidgeting problem (i tap my feet a lot, hands, etc but i am a drummer as well) which i've read is your bodys reaction to additional calories.

With the "420" in your name you could be fidgety due to all the Twinkies you are eating after blazing. And yes, 21 is too young. Give it a few years and be patient.

[goomba420]

With the "420" in your name you could be fidgety due to all the Twinkies you are eating after blazing. And yes, 21 is too young. Give it a few years and be patient.

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[gym**rat]

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Just fucking with you. But seriously, hold off as long as you can. And do tons of research. Read, read, read and trust about 1/2 of what you read. Much more to it than just pulling oil in a pin then sticking it in your ass. If you give it a few years chances are you may change your mind by then. Good luck.

[goomba420]

Just fucking with you. But seriously, hold off as long as you can. And do tons of research. Read, read, read and trust about 1/2 of what you read. Much more to it than just pulling oil in a pin then sticking it in your ass. If you give it a few years chances are you may change your mind by then. Good luck.

that's what ive been doing.. for a year and a half    but i guess it can wait a little... maybe 

[gym**rat]

that's what ive been doing.. for a year and a half    but i guess it can wait a little... maybe 

Please, before jumping in get your blood work done. At pre-21 your test levels should be pretty high. Last thing you want to do is to get in a hurry and screw up your natural test production for life. I am no expert by any means but I doubt you will find anyone who will think it is a good idea for you to begin pinning within the next couple years.

[nosleep]

ITS A COMMITMENT.

GET ON AND STAY ON OR DONT COME ON AT ALL.

[chess315]

do what you want thats what i say

[local hero]

depends on your goals, if u wanna compete etc, no point waiting too long

i do believe in maxing your natty goals tho, it wont take as long as some have u believe, if your training and eating propperly 2 to 4 yrs max

i honestly dont think you change much after your initial growth, if you stay natty past that point, youl not realy gain another inch, you may get harder or more detailed etc

[BiGHer]

depends on your goals, if u wanna compete etc, no point waiting too long

i do believe in maxing your natty goals tho, it wont take as long as some have u believe, if your training and eating propperly 2 to 4 yrs max

i honestly dont think you change much after your initial growth, if you stay natty past that point, youl not realy gain another inch, you may get harder or more detailed etc

This x2

What's your goal?  If you are going to compete, get on.  If not, decide your goals and act accordingly.

[goomba420]

This x2

What's your goal?  If you are going to compete, get on.  If not, decide your goals and act accordingly.

I want to be big. Looking big in the proper lighting is great, but I want size to the point that I'm one of the biggest guys in the room. I've been doing continuous research for the past year and a half and I feel I am mentally ready for aas
 If

[chess315]

whats your stats

[tu_holmes]

Unless you are a big time college football player, why do it before 21?

[goomba420]

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[Mega Man]

If I could do it over again....I would have not done steroids but instead saved up my money and did like 8 iu's of hgh instead....You will gaine muscle and get ripped, and won't change your test levels at all. Plus you won't have to worry about hair loss or gyno...

High does of Human grade HGH  will help you gain muscle and get ripped without sides of steroids.

[LittleJ]

If I could do it over again....I would have not done steroids but instead saved up my money and did like 8 iu's of hgh instead....You will gaine muscle and get ripped, and won't change your test levels at all. Plus you won't have to worry about hair loss or gyno...

High does of Human grade HGH  will help you gain muscle and get ripped without sides of steroids.

I thought hgh on it's own was pointless

[goomba420]

If I could do it over again....I would have not done steroids but instead saved up my money and did like 8 iu's of hgh instead....You will gaine muscle and get ripped, and won't change your test levels at all. Plus you won't have to worry about hair loss or gyno...

High does of Human grade HGH  will help you gain muscle and get ripped without sides of steroids.

gh is SUPER expensive. not to mention my jaw/chin are already huge. dont need it getting any bigger lol

[CAPTAIN INSANO]

self esteem issues are a big one; i have had people call me skinny through a lot of my life. call it what you will, generation nothingness etc, natural training is a lifelong pursuit of a pipe dream. i'm old enough to die for my country. why not use AAS as well   i know some will still advise against cycling but i have my mind set on it, and there is no going back at this point.

here it is laid out all nice and pretty  

Weeks 1-10:
Test E 500mg/wk
5000mg total

Weeks 1-4
dbol 50mg/day

Weeks 1-12:
Aromasin 12.5mg/day
Bump up to 25mg/day at wk 11 and 12


Weeks 13-16:
Clomid 50mg/day
1050mg total

i have very good muscle structure / genetics (zyzz-like) and ive never lost sight of my abs (main reason why i consider myself a candidate for AAS use)

ill be using ppp's test / dbol and the rest will be from manpower. should i get cycle support or anything? i was originally going to do 25mg dbol/day but i can only get caps and i don't want to screw with splitting the 50mg caps ill be getting.

No sense in running a PCT so early. Test E takes ~2 weeks to clear your system. And I would throw in some Nolvadex at 20mgs ED along with clomid. As another option, you could run Test prop after your last shot of Test E for 2 weeks then start PCT 3 days after your Test Prop Shot.

[whitewidow]

If you are not gaining anymore than its time to start the sauce. but before you do maybe try altering your diet and see what happens. You want to try everything possible before you start juicing but it sounds like its about time for you. the main thing is the way you eat. If your not eating 6,000 calories a day its going to be hard for you to gain any new muscle at your age. I feel your frustration. I ate alot of food from age 21 to 25 and only gained 3 pds. then I started juicing and got 28 pds in 3 weeks it was crazy how fast I blew up but I was holding some water I had test face bad!

[notsureifsrs]

gh is SUPER expensive. not to mention my jaw/chin are already huge. dont need it getting any bigger lol

Unless you abusing it, running it for years, running it too early i don't think it will cause the sides you mentioned above...

If I could do it over again....I would have not done steroids but instead saved up my money and did like 8 iu's of hgh instead....You will gaine muscle and get ripped, and won't change your test levels at all. Plus you won't have to worry about hair loss or gyno...

High does of Human grade HGH  will help you gain muscle and get ripped without sides of steroids.

Not worth it so much without aas, especially at 21yo.

I want to be big. Looking big in the proper lighting is great, but I want size to the point that I'm one of the biggest guys in the room. I've been doing continuous research for the past year and a half and I feel I am mentally ready for aas
 If

with this kind of goal i bet you will end up running 3grams a week pretty soon, because there will always be someone bigger in the room, someone leaner, and someone with incredible muscle shape.

you were talking about zyzz before, lol do you actually think all the gh and high amount of tren per day were just to get girls, or to look aesthetic?

[BiGHer]

Very basic first time cycle.  Why waster your money on PCT drugs when in reality you are going to just want to keep using.  Spend the money on some Deca to go with the dbol and test e to blow you up.  Unfortunately, this cycle won't make you the biggest guy in he room unless that room is filled with people who don't train or use.  If being that big is oyur goal, coming off is only going to back pedal you.  Be prapared to go on and stay on.  Be prepared to up doses.  Be prepared to try more drugs.  Be prepared to use for the long hall.  It always starts with that 1 curious cycle.  Like a 16 y/o girl at her first HS party who only wants one drink.  What happens though?  She has 1 too many and winds up having a train run on her by the football team.  Your body is the 16 year old girl, this cycle is that 1 curious drink... get it?  Soon enough you'll be running a train on your system with a whole variety of drugs... FACT.

[goomba420]

with this kind of goal i bet you will end up running 3grams a week pretty soon, because there will always be someone bigger in the room, someone leaner, and someone with incredible muscle shape.

you were talking about zyzz before, lol do you actually think all the gh and high amount of tren per day were just to get girls, or to look aesthetic?

maybe i should elaborate i meant bigger than your average person.. i want to make people say 'wow' when they see me

and zyzz did not use any gh from what i know.. he was very open about what compounds he was using and he typically ran tren and clen

Very basic first time cycle.  Why waster your money on PCT drugs when in reality you are going to just want to keep using.  Spend the money on some Deca to go with the dbol and test e to blow you up.  Unfortunately, this cycle won't make you the biggest guy in he room unless that room is filled with people who don't train or use.  If being that big is oyur goal, coming off is only going to back pedal you.  Be prapared to go on and stay on.  Be prepared to up doses.  Be prepared to try more drugs.  Be prepared to use for the long hall.  It always starts with that 1 curious cycle.  Like a 16 y/o girl at her first HS party who only wants one drink.  What happens though?  She has 1 too many and winds up having a train run on her by the football team.  Your body is the 16 year old girl, this cycle is that 1 curious drink... get it?  Soon enough you'll be running a train on your system with a whole variety of drugs... FACT.

i probably will end up using again to maintain my goal size once i've reached it(i dont want to get too big trust me), but for now the PCT remains a preventative measure against gyno / any other estrogenic side effect. plus i look terrible with a bloated waterlogged face, hopefully the asin will keep bloating to a minimum  

[notsureifsrs]

maybe i should elaborate i meant bigger than your average person.. i want to make people say 'wow' when they see me

and zyzz did not use any gh from what i know.. he was very open about what compounds he was using and he typically ran tren and clen

i probably will end up using again to maintain my goal size once i've reached it(i dont want to get too big trust me), but for now the PCT remains a preventative measure against gyno / any other estrogenic side effect. plus i look terrible with a bloated waterlogged face, hopefully the asin will keep bloating to a minimum  

Zyzz also said he did cycles, lol zyzz never came off like everyone of us
and gh came in at some point.

a few days ago someone told me the same thing at the gym, i told him that that's what everyone says, but when you get there you realize that it's just dumb to go to the gym every day do your thing while staying at the same point.

you must keep in mind that you wont blow up like you think you do, you wont get too big if you stay on, because it's depends on how you eat, sleep and train unless you abuse the shit out of hormones,
that 'wow' thing come in when you get several compounds in the blood running at respectable dose (and one of them is gh), pct is all good if you come off, but with the mindset you preventing here you will most likely just regret it, really you must just shatter this delusional bubble.

i know that i might be sound bitter, but i think that everyone who experienced it can relate to what you think at the moment, and everyone can tell you that it's not what is really going to be.

[CalvinH]

Unless you are a big time college football player, why do it before 21?

This.

[BiGHer]

i probably will end up using again to maintain my goal size once i've reached it(i dont want to get too big trust me), but for now the PCT remains a preventative measure against gyno / any other estrogenic side effect. plus i look terrible with a bloated waterlogged face, hopefully the asin will keep bloating to a minimum  

If you get gyno from this cycle, you need to never use steroids again.  Gyno? From 500 mgs/week? HAHAHAHHAHA.... trust me, save your money and skip the PCT drugs.... you are really way too nervous, again, like a 16 y/o at her first party .  I'm not trying to be an asshole, I really am not.  I just want you to know that you are wasting money that could be going to better things llllliiiikkkkeee more AAS .  You'll learn though and you will see for yourself.  Every person on this boarding who has used for any decent period of time knows that you are at no risk of ANYTHING with that cycle.