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« Reply #300 on: December 22, 2017, 01:48:34 PM »

Kasich signs Ohio law banning abortions for Down syndrome
BY JESSIE HELLMANN - 12/22/17

Ohio became the third state Friday to ban abortions after a diagnosis of Down syndrome.

Gov. John Kasich (R) signed a bill that would make it a fourth-degree felony for a doctor to perform an abortion if there is a prenatal Down syndrome diagnosis.

The doctor could face up to 18 months in prison. There is no punishment for the woman.

The law will take effect in March.

Anti-abortion rights advocates say abortions because of Down syndrome are discrimination and cheered Kasich's decision Friday.

“Ohio has given unborn children with Down syndrome and their families an early Christmas present and created a safe haven from lethal discrimination,” said Marjorie Dannenfelser, president of the Susan B. Anthony List.
Opponents argue the law will prevent women from making their own decisions on their pregnancies.

"When a woman receives a diagnosis of Down syndrome during her pregnancy, the last thing she needs is Gov. Kasich barging in to tell her what's best for her family," said NARAL Pro-Choice Ohio Executive Director Kellie Copeland.

The law could face legal challenges.

A similar law was struck down in Indiana in September by a U.S. District Judge after a lawsuit from the American Civil Liberties Union.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/366201-kasich-signs-law-banning-abortions-over-down-syndrome-diagnosis
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« Reply #301 on: December 23, 2017, 05:53:40 PM »

Kasich signs Ohio law banning abortions for Down syndrome
BY JESSIE HELLMANN - 12/22/17

Ohio became the third state Friday to ban abortions after a diagnosis of Down syndrome.

Gov. John Kasich (R) signed a bill that would make it a fourth-degree felony for a doctor to perform an abortion if there is a prenatal Down syndrome diagnosis.

The doctor could face up to 18 months in prison. There is no punishment for the woman.

The law will take effect in March.

Anti-abortion rights advocates say abortions because of Down syndrome are discrimination and cheered Kasich's decision Friday.

“Ohio has given unborn children with Down syndrome and their families an early Christmas present and created a safe haven from lethal discrimination,” said Marjorie Dannenfelser, president of the Susan B. Anthony List.
Opponents argue the law will prevent women from making their own decisions on their pregnancies.

"When a woman receives a diagnosis of Down syndrome during her pregnancy, the last thing she needs is Gov. Kasich barging in to tell her what's best for her family," said NARAL Pro-Choice Ohio Executive Director Kellie Copeland.

The law could face legal challenges.

A similar law was struck down in Indiana in September by a U.S. District Judge after a lawsuit from the American Civil Liberties Union.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/366201-kasich-signs-law-banning-abortions-over-down-syndrome-diagnosis

Ah, the party of small government and personal responsibility... not only telling you who, when and how to fuck but also limiting you from making decisions about yourself, your "unborn child" and your family in general.

I believe most states have "safe haven" laws that allow one to surrender a newborn at "safe" locations (fire departments, etc) with no questions asked. Women and/or couples forced to carry a baby to term, instead of being allowed to have an abortion, ought to simply take advantage of this program and start turning those newborns in. Soon enough, the "pro-lifers" will change their tune.
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« Reply #302 on: December 23, 2017, 06:37:19 PM »

They want you to have it, they won't help once it's born... I love me some right wing govment.
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« Reply #303 on: December 23, 2017, 06:44:39 PM »

Well, if you drop it off at their doorstep (which they do allow) they have to do something about it. Wouldn't want to look too hypocritical. Once they start having to care for a lot, they'll have to get the money from somewhere, and all of a sudden Mr. and Mrs. Fervent Christian will have to pay more in taxes, at which point you can be sure that they'll start complaining. It won't be long before their Pastor will start claiming that these children, these angels really, ought not to have to live through this evil world and that scripture says they ought to be allowed to return to the Lord, where they'll be completely unfettered from the crud Satan put in their chromosome 21. Let's not forget Luke 13:30: "Indeed there are those who are last who will be first, and first who will be last." And we all know those poor, abandoned angels are last, aren't they? It's the sign of a fallen society. Can I get an amen?
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« Reply #304 on: December 23, 2017, 07:10:20 PM »

Well, if you drop it off at their doorstep (which they do allow) they have to do something about it. Wouldn't want to look too hypocritical. Once they start having to care for a lot, they'll have to get the money from somewhere, and all of a sudden Mr. and Mrs. Fervent Christian will have to pay more in taxes, at which point you can be sure that they'll start complaining. It won't be long before their Pastor will start claiming that these children, these angels really, ought not to have to live through this evil world and that scripture says they ought to be allowed to return to the Lord, where they'll be completely unfettered from the crud Satan put in their chromosome 21. Let's not forget Luke 13:30: "Indeed there are those who are last who will be first, and first who will be last." And we all know those poor, abandoned angels are last, aren't they? It's the sign of a fallen society. Can I get an amen?

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« Reply #305 on: December 23, 2017, 07:11:44 PM »

were you quoting the bible or The Ghost of Tom Joad?

He pulls a prayer book out of his sleeping bag
Preacher lights up a butt and he takes a drag
Waiting for when the last shall be first and the first shall be last
In a cardboard box 'neath the underpass
You got a one-way ticket to the promised land
You got a hole in your belly and a gun in your hand
Sleeping on a pillow of solid rock
Bathing in the city's aqueduct
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« Reply #306 on: December 26, 2017, 08:42:30 PM »

Well, if you drop it off at their doorstep (which they do allow) they have to do something about it. Wouldn't want to look too hypocritical. Once they start having to care for a lot, they'll have to get the money from somewhere, and all of a sudden Mr. and Mrs. Fervent Christian will have to pay more in taxes, at which point you can be sure that they'll start complaining. It won't be long before their Pastor will start claiming that these children, these angels really, ought not to have to live through this evil world and that scripture says they ought to be allowed to return to the Lord, where they'll be completely unfettered from the crud Satan put in their chromosome 21. Let's not forget Luke 13:30: "Indeed there are those who are last who will be first, and first who will be last." And we all know those poor, abandoned angels are last, aren't they? It's the sign of a fallen society. Can I get an amen?

Are you assuming that all or a significant number of these kids will wind up on public assistance? 
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« Reply #307 on: December 30, 2017, 07:11:07 PM »

Are you assuming that all or a significant number of these kids will wind up on public assistance?  

I'm saying that if the government prevents women from having an abortion after a diagnosis of Down syndrome, then a womn that is forced to carry a baby with Down syndrome to term ought to avail herself of laws which allow them to drop the baby off at a "safe haven" location. Do you really think that babies with Down syndrome are high on the adoption list? I don't have actual data, but I'm betting that the answer is no. Unless I'm wrong then where do you think those children will end up, if not as wards of the state?
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« Reply #308 on: December 30, 2017, 07:36:23 PM »

Kasich signs Ohio law banning abortions for Down syndrome
BY JESSIE HELLMANN - 12/22/17

Ohio became the third state Friday to ban abortions after a diagnosis of Down syndrome.

Gov. John Kasich (R) signed a bill that would make it a fourth-degree felony for a doctor to perform an abortion if there is a prenatal Down syndrome diagnosis.

The doctor could face up to 18 months in prison. There is no punishment for the woman.

The law will take effect in March.

Anti-abortion rights advocates say abortions because of Down syndrome are discrimination and cheered Kasich's decision Friday.

“Ohio has given unborn children with Down syndrome and their families an early Christmas present and created a safe haven from lethal discrimination,” said Marjorie Dannenfelser, president of the Susan B. Anthony List.
Opponents argue the law will prevent women from making their own decisions on their pregnancies.

"When a woman receives a diagnosis of Down syndrome during her pregnancy, the last thing she needs is Gov. Kasich barging in to tell her what's best for her family," said NARAL Pro-Choice Ohio Executive Director Kellie Copeland.

The law could face legal challenges.

A similar law was struck down in Indiana in September by a U.S. District Judge after a lawsuit from the American Civil Liberties Union.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/366201-kasich-signs-law-banning-abortions-over-down-syndrome-diagnosis

The law will DEFINITELY face legal challenges and almost certainly be ruled unconstitutional (assuming we still care about that in the era of Trump)

I'm guessing Kasich only signed this because he's going to be running for POTUS in a year or so and needs to appeal to fundies

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