Put it this way, a 17inch lean arm looks very big on an ecto. What you are getting is big boned permabulkers talking about arm size, its night and day. And most people lie about things constantly. I know from my own measurements, waist, arms et cetera, that most on these boards just make up numbers as they go along. Size is the refuge of guys with no muscle quality, TbombZ is a good example imao, look how much better Bobs looks now he has cut down, or Leafy who people would call a twink at 185lb or so. Pellius your arms look great, quality muscle and shape, measurements are not important, its the visual.