Do bodybuilders on juice look down on natural bodybuilders?

[purenaturalstrength]

hormonized guidos look down on natural lifters just because they're bigger but most of them have shit strength because they lack the discipline to train intensely and dilligently.

people will say  wow that guy is so much bigger than you and talk to you like you're a noob.  this is what i hate about natural.

nobody respect

[Royalty]

but most of them have shit strength because they lack the discipline to train intensely and dilligently


people will say  wow that guy is so much bigger than you and talk to you like you're a noob


this is what i hate about natural


nobody respect

in time... The natural guy keeps getting bigger, better (albiet fairly slowly)

the guys on hormones get burned out... Or tear several bodyparts, Or get lost in recreational drugs.

So, in time, the natural guys prevail.

[purenaturalstrength]

in time... The natural guy keeps getting bigger, better (albiet fairly slowly)

the guys on hormones get burned out... Or tear several bodyparts, Or get lost in recreational drugs.

So, in time, the natural guys prevail.

this is definitely true for amateurs, i see guys blow up and deflate, then quit all the time


but the problem is there are always new blown up guidos out there 


i felt sick pleasure when this guy at my gym told me he had to see an urologist about severe testicular and impotence problems he had from winstrol


i felt no sympathy because he used to laugh at me training hard saying "why do you tools train so hard and achieve no results, juice up like me"

[ChristopherA]

Actually a good topic PNS. Guidos dont look down on anyone because they are all midgets. A friend of mine met Pauly D and said he was real short. Well if he's short how much of a dwarf is Ronnie? I laugh my ass off at the Jersy Shore when they play up that Ronnie is jacked. Whats he 5'4" 180lbs? HAHA!

[purenaturalstrength]

Actually a good topic PNS. Guidos dont look down on anyone because they are all midgets. A friend of mine met Pauly D and said he was real short. Well if he's short how much of a dwarf is Ronnie? I laugh my ass off at the Jersy Shore when they play up that Ronnie is jacked. Whats he 5'4" 180lbs? HAHA!

well maybe guido is the wrong word (language barrier)


i mean guys with that very roided look in their arms, delts, pecs and traps, hardly do anything sensible in the gym, and walk the streets and clubs at nights with tight short sleeved t shirts, revealing their tattood roid arms flaring their lats, looking at people like they are hot shit

[Royalty]

well maybe guido is the wrong word (language barrier)


i mean guys with that very roided look in their arms, delts, pecs and traps, hardly do anything sensible in the gym, and walk the streets and clubs at nights with tight short sleeved t shirts, revealing their tattood roid arms flaring their lats, looking at people like they are hot shit

the right term for those guys = "douche bags"

[purenaturalstrength]

the right term for those guys = "douche bags"

i thought douche bags typically were skinny fat


guidos = italian metros?

[BiGHer]

This is bodybuilding lol... Like Shawn Ray said "I never once had a judge ask me how much I weighed, how much I could lift, or what my BF% was.  All they ever cared about is how I looked."

Point is, if your dealing with Bodybuilders, they will probably look down upon anyone who doesn't look as good as they do.

Yes, I know, your worried about club douchebags who probably just juice and don't compete, but who gives a fuck what those idiots say or do?  Why would you be wasting your time in a convo about anything with them anyway??

[Man of Steel]

Yes, I've seen the plight of many a juicebox time and again.  They start natty, train hard, start networking with the gearheads casually, start their first cycle, start a more aggresive cycle, start a really aggresive cycle, blow up on the sauce, look great, compete once and place well, compete twice and win a show, compete a third time at a bigger show and take 18th, train harder than ever before, compete a fourth time in another big show and take 17th, realize their pro bb dreams are a pipedream, revert back to personal training for awhile, moonlight as a bouncer, moonlight as a stripper, fall into a downward spiraling party scene, run outta cash, run outta gear, run outta size, quit training altogether (cause what's the point without the chemicals) and then dissappear from the face of the earth......seen a good 8 or 9 examples of some form of this situation.  Do all users end up like this?  Of course not.  Most casually use so they look good in a skintight glitter shirt at clubs.  Pick up a few super fine girls they never could've before and that's about it.  Regardless of rec drug use, bb drug use, etc....all can lead to some form of addiction.  Some folks are way stronger and more controlled than others and avoid the addiction, but the path is a slippery slope and many don't last.

[purenaturalstrength]

Yes, I've seen the plight of many a juicebox time and again.  They start natty, train hard, start networking with the gearheads casually, start their first cycle, start a more aggresive cycle, start a really aggresive cycle, blow up on the sauce, look great, compete once and place well, compete twice and win a show, compete a third time at a bigger show and take 18th, train harder than ever before, compete a fourth time in another big show and take 17th, realize their pro bb dreams are a pipedream, revert back to personal training for awhile, moonlight as a bouncer, moonlight as a stripper, fall into a downward spiraling party scene, run outta cash, run outta gear, run outta size, quit training altogether (cause what's the point without the chemicals) and then dissappear from the face of the earth......seen a good 8 or 9 examples of some form of this situation.  Do all users end up like this?  Of course not.  Most casually use so they look good in a skintight glitter shirt at clubs.  Pick up a few super fine girls they never could've before and that's about it.  Regardless of rec drug use, bb drug use, etc....all can lead to some form of addiction.  Some folks are way stronger and more controlled than others and avoid the addiction, but the path is a slippery slope and many don't last.

so first you get the steroids, then you get the muscles, then you get the women?


but what about integrity, values etc

[Man of Steel]

so first you get the steroids, then you get the muscles, then you get the women?


but what about integrity, values etc

Morality, integrity and values in regards to bb drug use is a non-issue on Getbig.  The attitude is "whatever gets you there is fair play".  In most cases we're dealing with young 20-something kids that have very few responsibilities in life.

[purenaturalstrength]

Morality, integrity and values in regards to bb drug use is a non-issue on Getbig.  The attitude is "whatever gets you there is fair play". 

so telling a girl you're a lawyer when you're a chump is fair play if it gets her pants off?

[Man of Steel]

so telling a girl you're a lawyer when you're a chump is fair play if it gets her pants off?

In Getbig country, absolutely.  Women have no worth here.


Keep in mind, I agree with none of it.

[Per Se]

but most of them have shit strength because they lack the discipline to train intensely and dilligently


people will say  wow that guy is so much bigger than you and talk to you like you're a noob


this is what i hate about natural


nobody respect

its quite possible to posses a lot of size and strength as a natural....plenty of juicers in the gym are really not that strong.  I see many that cant bench 315 or deadlift 500....and in addition dont even know what a squat rack is. #PureEgoTraining

[Man of Steel]

its quite possible to posses a lot of size and strength as a natural....plenty of juicers in the gym are really not that strong.  I see many that cant bench 315 or deadlift 500....and in addition dont even know what a squat rack is. #PureEgoTraining

Very true, I've outlifted many, MANY juiceboxes on my worst day.  Still, for a user that's attained that gorgeous male body they don't care much about the strength part.  "Who cares how much you bench?  Look at my abs!  Looks at the veins in my quads!"

[Benny B]

Yes, I've seen the plight of many a juicebox time and again.  They start natty, train hard, start networking with the gearheads casually, start their first cycle, start a more aggresive cycle, start a really aggresive cycle, blow up on the sauce, look great, compete once and place well, compete twice and win a show, compete a third time at a bigger show and take 18th, train harder than ever before, compete a fourth time in another big show and take 17th, realize their pro bb dreams are a pipedream, revert back to personal training for awhile, moonlight as a bouncer, moonlight as a stripper, fall into a downward spiraling party scene, run outta cash, run outta gear, run outta size, quit training altogether (cause what's the point without the chemicals) and then dissappear from the face of the earth......seen a good 8 or 9 examples of some form of this situation.  Do all users end up like this?  Of course not.  Most casually use so they look good in a skintight glitter shirt at clubs.  Pick up a few super fine girls they never could've before and that's about it.  Regardless of rec drug use, bb drug use, etc....all can lead to some form of addiction.  Some folks are way stronger and more controlled than others and avoid the addiction, but the path is a slippery slope and many don't last.

So true...

Lesson?
Stay natty, fuck competitive bodybuilding, lift for a lifetime.

[purenaturalstrength]

its quite possible to posses a lot of size and strength as a natural....plenty of juicers in the gym are really not that strong.  I see many that cant bench 315 or deadlift 500....and in addition dont even know what a squat rack is. #PureEgoTraining

315 bench 500 deadlift is very achievable naturally with hard training, but the guys who pull this off don't look like much next to the typical steroid using gym rat

[Man of Steel]

315 bench 500 deadlift is very achievable naturally with hard training, but the guys who pull this off don't look like much next to the typical steroid using gym rat

I have lifted a lot more than that naturally and I don't look like a bb and never will cause I won't use.  See me at the local grocery store and many will think, "he's a big guy," but put me next to a juicebox with bb lines, density and low bodyfat and there's no comparison LOL!!

[BiGHer]

Man of Steel, so true what you wrote.  A lot of guys on juice have no real direction.  They slip into bodybuilding after they got on the juice with no original direction and they end up losing years of their life with no back up plan.  Not good.  

Purenatural, those are definitely attainable natural #'s.  I know plenty of guys including myself who have hit those #'s naturally.  Some of the strongest guys I know are like 170 lbs.  Strength is not a direct correlation to muscle size.  A lot of it has to do with your training sure, but what about thick bone structure, shorter limbs, strong tendons... all of these things can contribute to natural strength.  Remember, when it comes to lifting there is also physics involved.  We are all levers and pulleys to some extent and if your body is more mechanically designed than mine, you may very well lift quite a bit more.

[BiGHer]

I have lifted a lot more than that naturally and I don't look like a bb and never will cause I won't use.  See me at the local grocery store and many will think, "he's a big guy," but put me next to a juicebox with bb lines, density and low bodyfat and there's no comparison LOL!!

Story of many a natural lifters life...

[Man of Steel]

Man of Steel, so true what you wrote.  A lot of guys on juice have no real direction.  They slip into bodybuilding after they got on the juice with no original direction and they end up losing years of their life with no back up plan.  Not good. 

Purenatural, those are definitely attainable natural #'s.  I know plenty of guys including myself who have hit those #'s naturally.  Some of the strongest guys I know are like 170 lbs.  Strength is not a direct correlation to muscle size.  A lot of it has to do with your training sure, but what about thick bone structure, shorter limbs, strong tendons... all of these things can contribute to natural strength.  Remember, when it comes to lifting there is also physics involved.  We are all levers and pulleys to some extent and if your body is more mechanically designed than mine, you may very well lift quite a bit more.

Absolutely correct.....attaining the bb look is a whole nuther ballgame.

[deceiver]

Why do you guys assume saa users would finally end up abusing them? I never gonnna use more than 500mg of test and 500mg of deca/bold. I don't use anadrol, dbal, winstrol anymore, can't afford anavar. I would never look good natural, that's obvious to me since I don't have best genetics and low natural testosterone. With this approach you can lift till the end of your life and don't get sick and I know plenty of guys doing same thing for years and still looking good in their 40ties.

[purenaturalstrength]

Man of Steel, so true what you wrote.  A lot of guys on juice have no real direction.  They slip into bodybuilding after they got on the juice with no original direction and they end up losing years of their life with no back up plan.  Not good.  

Purenatural, those are definitely attainable natural #'s.  I know plenty of guys including myself who have hit those #'s naturally.  Some of the strongest guys I know are like 170 lbs.  Strength is not a direct correlation to muscle size.  A lot of it has to do with your training sure, but what about thick bone structure, shorter limbs, strong tendons... all of these things can contribute to natural strength.  Remember, when it comes to lifting there is also physics involved.  We are all levers and pulleys to some extent and if your body is more mechanically designed than mine, you may very well lift quite a bit more.

sure i also realized lifting for strength is the only reasonable option without hormones.


so far bench press is still behind 3x122.5kg with pause at chest
squat at 5x160kg (high bar position full range, no belt or knee BALONIE)
deadlift 3x3x200kg

goals:

3x140kg bench press
5x180kg squat

no goal for deadlift, i feel i'm good at deadlift and don't really push it because i prefer doing it with very tight back not just rounding like hell to get it up

[Man of Steel]

Story of many a natural lifters life...

Without a doubt.  We look good in the gym, Walmart, Sears, family reunions, etc....., but in a truly competitive bb environment?  LOL!  We're just fat puds.

[JasonH]

Good thread - MOS with some quality posts and home truths.