phil has a great back,one of the best currently onstage,jay in shape had just as good a back if not better,as far as all time here is who all beats him as far as back goes,ronnie coleman,dorian yates,mike francois,jean pierre fux,shawn ray,flex wheeler,momo benezenia,lee haney,samir bannout,franco columbo, and i might have missed a couple,al beckles and mike christian are close but phil does have em.