Really do people still beleive and put out hope for that magical set/rep scheme?

[tlc]

Instinctive training also means "I'm on a bunch of drugs and can do whatever the fuck".

True, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

To get back to the original question, yes, I'm always looking for ways to work out more efficiently, down to minimising time taken to change plates etc. by doing things in a different order or whatever. Gives me something to think about between sets...

But yes, pick up heavy shit, put it down, repeat. Use the appropriate hormonal tools for your goal, eat well but not to excess. It isn't that difficult.

[Coach is Back!]

Having been a poli sci and econ major in college, I'm going to jump at the opportunity for a political debate.  To start, I'm very moderate in my views, not extreme to left or right either way.  However, to play devils advocate here Coach, you must admit, President Obama was handed a disaster caused by, and not really even arguably, the worst president in history.  I respect George W. Bush as a politician because even as fucked up as he may have left things, when he wanted a policy change or anything for that matter to get accomplished, he got it done about 95% of the time.  Now, were the things he was changing and accomplinshing beneficial for our country, no, but he was a great politician.  Then again, so was Hitler if you look at things from that perspective.  Even Obama said all through his campaign leading up to the election that the necessary changes to correct the problems in this nation would take well beyond the 8 years he could possibly be president.  He made it clear that change would be slow and things would get worse before better.  Hell, even Mccain didn't want his possible election to be associated in any way with the former President because he knew how bad things had become and knew he'd have no shot of winning if he didn't make it clear that things would be different and he would bring change to issues that his party had caused.

My point is... of course Obama looks bad right now, but I don't think any other person in the world could be doing significantly better.  If you hand a texas hold em' player 7-2 off suit, the only thing he can hope for is to see the flop for free and get lucky.  Obama got handed 7-2 off suit and he's doing as well with it as anyone else could have.  Our countries problems can only be fixed over slow, committed, long term change.  We as Americans however have a tough time buying into that as we all need our immediate gratification.  Regardless of who is elected in '12, don't be shocked when things are still not sunshine and rainbows in the USA.

Bush was hit with a lot worse circumstances than Obama with 9/11, but even during wartime we had a relatively stable economy, people were working with low UE and something unheard of during wartime....an economy that grew. I will agree that he shouldn't have signed on to the bailout, I was against that, I'm still against any bailout with regards to the private sector. Bailouts only exacerbate problems. Obama could have slowed or even reversed what has been happening, but instead it's worse 10 fold.  When you have to borrow money to pay bills, you still have to pay back the money you've borrowed to pay those bills. What Obama or liberals in general don't get, is that the government does not create jobs. There's my little synopsis.

[BiGHer]

Bush was hit with a lot worse circumstances than Obama with 9/11, but even during wartime we had a relatively stable economy, people were working with low UE and something unheard of during wartime....an economy that grew. I will agree that he shouldn't have signed on to the bailout, I was against that, I'm still against any bailout with regards to the private sector. Bailouts only exacerbate problems. Obama could have slowed or even reversed what has been happening, but instead it's worse 10 fold.  When you have to borrow money to pay bills, you still have to pay back the money you've borrowed to pay those bills. What Obama or liberals in general don't get, is that the government does not create jobs. There's my little synopsis.

I think its funny that you reference 9/11 as "war time.". It was a terrorist attack, not a war.  On the list of top 10 countries that spend money on their military, the US ranks #1 and we actually spend more money than the next 9 nations combined on that list.  I am also not down playing 9/11.  Hey, I'm from and still live in New York.  The last time I checked though 9/11 was a few terrorists who took control of planes and flew them into buildings.  War time makes it seem like a country sent their airforce, ground, and naval troops over to attack on American soil.  Bush declared "war" which also wasn"t much of a fight. We sent our dominant military over seas to 3rd worls countries to flex our muscle and remind them who's boss.  Also, Bush didn't have it nearly as bad as Obama to start.  Bush accumulated more national debt than the history of presidency combined (feel free to check that).  Bush also followed Clinton and the boom of the internet which did nothing but boost economy.  Obama, wwwweeeelll he followed Bush... Enough said.  Oh, and of course Bush bailed out the private sector.  I think any president probably would... Someones gotta fund your partys next campaign...

[Coach is Back!]

I think its funny that you reference 9/11 as "war time.". It was a terrorist attack, not a war.  On the list of top 10 countries that spend money on their military, the US ranks #1 and we actually spend more money than the next 9 nations combined on that list.  I am also not down playing 9/11.  Hey, I'm from and still live in New York.  The last time I checked though 9/11 was a few terrorists who took control of planes and flew them into buildings.  War time makes it seem like a country sent their airforce, ground, and naval troops over to attack on American soil.  Bush declared "war" which also wasn"t much of a fight. We sent our dominant military over seas to 3rd worls countries to flex our muscle and remind them who's boss.  Also, Bush didn't have it nearly as bad as Obama to start.  Bush accumulated more national debt than the history of presidency combined (feel free to check that).  Bush also followed Clinton and the boom of the internet which did nothing but boost economy.  Obama, wwwweeeelll he followed Bush... Enough said.  Oh, and of course Bush bailed out the private sector.  I think any president probably would... Someones gotta fund your partys next campaign...

Sorry, I meant war time as after 9/11

[BiGHer]

Are you guys on this thread really convinced that if you take your little log book and write down every exercise, set, and rep you plan to do over the next 3 months that it will make a difference?  I did that for several YEARS and let me tell you, it really doesn't.  Don't over complicate your training, JUST TRAIN HARD.

[BiGHer]

Oh and of course drugs make a difference.  Even Coach on his HRT doeses knows this.  Without them, you hit your natural limit and any chance at significant lean muscle mass growth diminishes.  You can still train hard and have fun but you will just be spinning the wheels and refining the muscle you had hoping for maybe another 1/8th of an inch on your arms in lean mass with no additional fat gain by next year.  I'm talking about guys who have trained natural and HARD for years btw, not just starting out.

[Grape Ape]

  Bush also followed Clinton and the boom of the internet which did nothing but boost economy.  .

I was no fan of Bush: Term 2, but this statement ignores the fact that the internet/tech bubble had already burst by the time Bush took office in 2000.

[d0nny2600]

Half this thread is about American politics...what has that to do with set/rep schemes?

[Hulkotron]

Half this thread is about American politics...what has that to do with set/rep schemes?

Obama is our blackest president = best genetics for bodybuilding in White House history.

[d0nny2600]

Obama is our blackest president = best genetics for bodybuilding in White House history.

[Grape Ape]

Lift some heavy ass weight, then lift even heavier ass weight next time.....that's about it.

If only it were that linear.

That stops working after awhile....

[Hulkotron]

If only it were that linear.

That stops working after awhile....

Then it is time to UTD and blow up from within.

[cephissus]

I think biggest misconception in modern bodybuilding is this thing called "overtraining". What the fuck is this? Olympic lifters squat to their max every day, 7 days per week, 365 days per year. Yes they're constantly tired, sore and miserable, but this is what it takes to be best in this sport. Back in the day some incredibly impressive physiques were built on very high volume, every bodypart two or three times per week splits. It fucking worked, you can see that on their photos.

Arnold was HUGE. That's it guys, he WAS huge. He had bigger chest and arms than many pros nowadays. Maybe he didn't weight as much BUT he was HUGE.

take a weight you can squat 15 reps with.  do sets of 10 with it every day, for a total of 2000 reps per day.  maybe 3000 if you're having a good day.

then tell me there's no such thing as overtraining.  

do you actually have any idea what you're talking about?  olympic lifters are constantly tired, sore and miserable?  i don't know any, but i would be absolutely shocked if this were the case.

i've seen top olympic lifting routines.  top powerlifting routines.  top bodybuilding routines.  none of them are that much work compared to what i see people doing EVERY SINGLE DAY in ordinary gyms.  most bodybuilders only take a handful of sets to failure... and not even what i would really call failure.  yet in my college days i would see people going to failure every set, 12-16+ sets per body part, absolutely grueling workouts.  i did it myself.  it fucks you up when you look at something written down on a piece of paper and then go off on your own, trying to copy it without understanding the first thing about how the exercises are actually performed, as so many often do.

[Coach is Back!]

Are you guys on this thread really convinced that if you take your little log book and write down every exercise, set, and rep you plan to do over the next 3 months that it will make a difference?  I did that for several YEARS and let me tell you, it really doesn't.  Don't over complicate your training, JUST TRAIN HARD.

If not they should be. I have 17-18 year old 190lb running backs box squatting 500lbs and benching 300+lbs. EVERYTHING IS A PROGRESSION.

If you know how write a sound program it works. If you don't, it won't. I'm not talking with drugs.

[deceiver]

take a weight you can squat 15 reps with.  do sets of 10 with it every day, for a total of 2000 reps per day.  maybe 3000 if you're having a good day.

then tell me there's no such thing as overtraining.  

do you actually have any idea what you're talking about?  olympic lifters are constantly tired, sore and miserable?  i don't know any, but i would be absolutely shocked if this were the case.

i've seen top olympic lifting routines.  top powerlifting routines.  top bodybuilding routines.  none of them are that much work compared to what i see people doing EVERY SINGLE DAY in ordinary gyms.  most bodybuilders only take a handful of sets to failure... and not even what i would really call failure.  yet in my college days i would see people going to failure every set, 12-16+ sets per body part, absolutely grueling workouts.  i did it myself.  it fucks you up when you look at something written down on a piece of paper and then go off on your own, trying to copy it without understanding the first thing about how the exercises are actually performed, as so many often do.

http://www.averagebroz.com/ABG/Q_%26_A/Q_%26_A.html

one of his pupils.

[chaos]

If not they should be. I have 17-18 year old 190lb running backs box squatting 500lbs and benching 300+lbs. EVERYTHING IS A PROGRESSION.

If you know how write a sound program it works. If you don't, it won't. I'm not talking with drugs.

I'd crush those twinks.

[DK II]

Instinctive training also means "I'm on a bunch of drugs and can do whatever the fuck".

spot on.

[cephissus]

If not they should be. I have 17-18 year old 190lb running backs box squatting 500lbs and benching 300+lbs. EVERYTHING IS A PROGRESSION.

If you know how write a sound program it works. If you don't, it won't. I'm not talking with drugs.

are these results typical?  i mean, no disrespect, but everyone knows that guy in highschool who could squat 5-600 lbs.  some people are just strong...

[calfzilla]

Does any one pick up any books on physiology, anatomy or kinesiology or do you pull shit out of your asses? JF...you first.

If you want success in bodybuilding, pick up a pharmacology book.

[Meso_z]

its getting a bit rediculous around here latley

folks theres no magical recouperation time. infact there is no "time" only perfect physics of motion around the sun

doing 2 reps isnt going to make you magically do 3 next time.

but yet even veterans are vigirously trying to devolop new routines for maximum gaynes

i beginning to wonder if any of you get any thing really accomplished in life

Good luck with the 50 rep/40pound dumbell squats. 

[apply85]

are these results typical?  i mean, no disrespect, but everyone knows that guy in highschool who could squat 5-600 lbs.  some people are just strong...

plenty of guys in hs on steroids