The Afterlife

[dr.chimps]

perhaps our energy will find its way to a AA battery and end up in a vibrator somewhere.

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[Man of Steel]

To speak with absolute authority, it would take one who's died, returned and communicated with us. 

I agree.

Wonder how long it will take the aths&ags to hit this thread now that I've posted in it?

[The Ugly]

I agree.

Wonder how long it will take the aths&ags to hit this thread now that I've posted in it?

Since no one ever has, can't we deduce it maybe doesn't exist?

[JAM]

Of course you have physical birth and death, but is there anything more to life than physical?  Plus the physical things in life can trick you right?  For example, if you view a red rose in your hand.  It is really invisible light waves that your eye picks up, brain translates, and you say "ah red rose".  But some other animal might see black and white, mulch-dementional pictures, ultrasound, sonar, etc.  Think of those googly eye lizards, who the hell knows what they see.  But to them their world is real, just like ours is real.  Could there be something beyond the physical?

[Man of Steel]

Since no one ever has, can't we deduce it maybe doesn't exist?

Someone has though.

[Man of Steel]

Of course you have physical birth and death, but is there anything more to life than physical?  Plus the physical things in life can trick you right?  For example, if you view a red rose in your hand.  It is really invisible light waves that your eye picks up, brain translates, and you say "ah red rose".  But some other animal might see black and white, mulch-dementional pictures, ultrasound, sonar, etc.  Think of those googly eye lizards, who the hell knows what they see.  But to them their world is real, just like ours is real.  Could there be something beyond the physical?

I believe this to be true.

[dr.chimps]

I believe this to be true.

Fixed!

[Man of Steel]

Fixed!

You don't believe people have physical births and deaths or that animals sense things differently than people? 

[SF1900]

I agree.

Wonder how long it will take the aths&ags to hit this thread now that I've posted in it?

Not true. You can speak with a certain amount of authority on an issue. You don't need to have experienced something firsthand to be an "authority" on it.

[the trainer]

perhaps our energy will find its way to a AA battery and end up in a vibrator somewhere.

 So that means in my next life I could be in a vibrator giving pleasure to some hot females, sounds good.

[Man of Steel]

Not true. You can speak with a certain amount of authority on an issue. You don't need to have experienced something firsthand to be an "authority" on it.

I agree.

[dr.chimps]

You don't believe people have physical births and deaths or that animals sense things differently than people?  

[SF1900]

I agree.

Just take bodybuilding, for example! 

[Man of Steel]

You don't believe people have physical births and deaths or that animals sense things differently than people? 
Yes, bro.   

So a person's sense of sight is the same as say a bat's sense of sight?

[The Ugly]

Someone has though.

Someone? Why not everyone?  

[Man of Steel]

Just take bodybuilding, for example! 

This site is chocked full of bb experts!

[Man of Steel]

Someone? Why not everyone?  

I know of one man in his early thirties (he was a teacher and carpenter) that died, came back to life and spoke to his closest friends after he came back to life.

[BILL ANVIL]

There is no afterlife, just purged black nothingness.

[Warpado]

I believe there is an afterlife.

[pellius]

Dr. Chimps use to be William Blake in a previous life. He's going to keep coming back until he gets it right. FACT.

When the stars threw down their spears,   
And watered heaven with their tears,   
Did He smile His work to see?   
Did He who made the lamb make thee?

[cephissus]

Watch this video   

dawkins is such a retarded tool

[cephissus]

A little more western than that concept. Basically time is just the 4th dimension, and everything that has ever and ever will happen, is already there if we could just see the 4th dimensional picture. (that's legit physics fyi)

So if everything that ever will be and ever has been, already exists, we're not really anything were just algorithms in the giant equation which is the universe. Like video game characters, our program is set, were just flowing through that program, we have no freewill, were just chemical machines. If were just machines why are we conscious, this is a big issue in philosophy.

The best I can figure is were simply in the mind of a god like being experiencing existences through the mind of it's creations.

This is mostly correct.

[Warpado]

So if everything that ever will be and ever has been, already exists, we're not really anything were just algorithms in the giant equation which is the universe. Like video game characters, our program is set, were just flowing through that program, we have no freewill, were just chemical machines.

Its hard to believe that anyone would actually buy into that nonsense.

[cephissus]

Its hard to believe that anyone would actually buy into that nonsense.

Why is that?

No one has free will.  On the other hand, no one is a complete slave either.  There are only strong and weak wills.  Everything in this world reacts with everything else -- nothing is absolutely free from influence.

Your will doesn't exist as some transcendent entity which beams thoughts down to your earthly body... the whole will / body duality is a myth.  They are both bound together and are one and the same, ultimately.

[pellius]

Why is that?

No one has free will.  On the other hand, no one is a complete slave either.  There are only strong and weak wills.  Everything in this world reacts with everything else -- nothing is absolutely free from influence.

Your will doesn't exist as some transcendent entity which beams thoughts down to your earthly body... the whole will / body duality is a myth.  They are both bound together and are one and the same, ultimately.

If no one has free will. That one is not free to make choices in life. That everything one does is merely a preconditioned programmed response. Then no one can be held responsible for their actions. Do you hold responsible the Glock 22 that just pumped six 230 grain Hydro-Shoks into your daughter's brain? Maybe you do? Some do in fact?

Saying nothing is absolutely free from outside influence is quite different from saying no one has free will. Being influenced by outside forces or not still implies conscious choices.