your giving me a headache. you need an authority to tell you what is right and wrong ? morality is based on how behavior affects others. if the bible never said that, would you still agree? if the bible said morality was based on personal pleasure, would you believe that ? your saying that we cant know a behavior is immoral without making a reference to the bible... its baffling.. so did those people who existed before the bible was written commit no sins? they didnt know what was right and wrong? i could make this rebuttle better but ive got to be off to the gym now so i can make it to see my woman by the time she gets off work.. im looking forward to continuing this discussion later
As you are well aware, I don't exactly hold you in high regard. I find you insufferably arrogant and very full of yourself. Also, I think you live an immoral life style and you are very blase and cavalier about it. But, in regard to these issues, issues that I take very seriously, i.e., how do we create good people? I put aside as much as I can personal feelings as you come across as sincere and genuine. Unlike other issues, here, as in the past similar discussions, you seem open to an honest debate and seem to instinctively refrain from gratuitous insults. Therefore I will show you the respect you deserve.
Tbombz, what I am saying is simply that if you don't have a value system outside of yourself. An outside authority you are held accountable to, then you, ultimately, only have to answer to yourself. How could it be any other way? You either answer to yourself or to someone else? Now, it doesn't mean that if you become your own moral system of justice, essentially your own God, that you will automatically become a bad person. It really depends on your nature. For my part, I don't trust human nature. Therefore, a value system outside of the often very elastic and whimsical nature of man I believe creates a better human being. Not always. Nothing is always. If a child grows up with very permissive parents it doesn't guarantee that he will be a spoiled, self-centered person. It just makes it more likely than if he had some supervision and moral guard rails.
Let me ask you a simple question and I have to trust you on your honor to be honest. It's not a trick question but sometimes a discussion doesn't always have to be about who is right and who is wrong. Who wins and who loses. But about clarity. Being clear as to each other's position and perhaps coming to a mutual understanding rather than agreement.
Say you were in a bad part of town very late at night alone walking across a deserted dark parking lot to get your car. Now coming towards you is about a half dozen young adult males (late teens early twenties) of various ethnic origins. Would a caution light go off in you? Doesn't have to be fear or great alarm but sort of a code yellow. That you better be a little bit more on your toes then if they weren't there coming towards you. That if you were just alone. If so, why? If not, why not?