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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2043345/The-California-boy-11-undergoing-hormone-blocking-treatment.html

The little boy who started a sex change aged eight because he (and his lesbian parents) knew he always wanted to be a girl.

The lesbian parents of an 11-year-old boy who is undergoing the process of becoming a girl last night defended the decision, claiming it was better for a child to have a sex change when young.

Thomas Lobel, who now calls himself Tammy, is undergoing controversial hormone blocking treatment in Berkeley, California to stop him going through puberty as a boy.

But Pauline Moreno and Debra Lobel warn that children with gender identity disorder forced to postpone transitioning could face a higher risk of suicide.

The mothers say that one of the first things Thomas told them when he learned sign language aged three - because of a speech impediment - was, 'I am a girl'.

At age seven, after threatening genital mutilation on himself, psychiatrists diagnosed Thomas with gender identity disorder. By the age of eight, he began transitioning.

This summer, he started taking hormone-blocking drugs, which will stop him from experiencing puberty.
The hormone-suppressant, implanted in his upper left arm, will postpone the 11-year-old developing broad shoulders, deep voice and facial hair.

The couple faced intense criticism from friends and family as a result, Ms Moreno told MailOnline.

'Everybody was angry with us. "How could you be doing this? You might be ruining his whole life!"

Citing a statistic from the Youth Suicide Prevention Program, Ms Moreno noted over 50 per cent of transgender youth will have had at least one suicide attempt by their 20th birthday.
And ignoring their son's incessant pleas, she said, simply was not worth the risk.

'What is so frightening to me is that you would be willing to say "no" just because you don't like it - even though your child could lose their life?'

Her son's adolescent transition, she hopes, will help him have a less conflicted adulthood.

'The whole idea now is let's stop creating a third (gender) that is neither one thing or the other, so we transitioned her,' said Ms Moreno.

'The protocol now is to transition these children as soon as you can make a diagnosis, because otherwise they end up being not one thing or the other... because they experienced puberty.'
Ms Moreno recalled the first step of Thomas' transition to becoming female by letting him pick his own clothes.

He favoured headbands to baseball hats and picked out bras and dresses to start wearing when given choice in clothing to wear. And the change in his personality, Ms Moreno says, was instant.

'He was in his own world just completely detached and that was a problem we always had was getting Thomas to participate in life,' she said. 'What we saw emerge when Tammy was allowed to be Tammy is, "Whoa!"... It was an immediate transformation. She was so giggly and she was now interacting she was now making it a point to defend herself.'

The diagnosis has been hard to accept for Tammy's parents.

The couple were married in 1990 by a rabbi and have two older sons and grandchildren. But they insist their sexuality has nothing to do with it.

'It was odd to us,' she said. 'Even though she has lesbians as parents, this is all new to us in every possible way. We know what it's like to feel different - we've got that one. But to feel like you're not in the right body was just something we could not put our heads around.'

Fortunately, the family has a vast support system. The couple credits Tammy's teachers and officials at Children's Learning Center in Alameda, California, and their religious community, for being open-minded about their son's decision.

'We live in the Bay area where lots of alternative lifestyles are in place... and we belong to a religious community that was incredibly supportive. They make it a point when we're in synagogue to come over and tell Tammy, "Oh, you look so pretty today,' Ms Moreno said, adding, 'There's never going to be enough gratitude for them.'

His parents say the hormone treatment will give him time to figure out if he wants to fully transition to being female or go through puberty as a boy.

If he chooses to stop taking the drugs, he will undergo natural male puberty at a later stage and his future fertility would not be impacted.
Should their son decide to transition to an adult female, he can take female hormones as well, which would raise his voice, allow him to grow breasts and develop other feminine physical characteristics.

San Francisco, right by Berkeley, is one of four cities in the United States with a hospital that has a program for transgender children.

The University of California San Francisco is home to the Center of Excellence for Transgender Health.

Children are seen at length by mental health professionals and then treated by pediatric endocrinologists.

Others cities with youth programs are Boston, Seattle and Los Angeles.









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This is heavy stuff. If a person has a real gender disorder it shows from a very young age. I hope a team of child psychologists has screened this kid thoroughly.
It has never been proven that sexual orientation of a child can be changed by homosexual parents, it's fixed. But they can of course brainwash a kid into (temporarily) thinking it's homosexual or gender dysfore.
I didn't know this stuff happened in the US.....

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This is heavy stuff. If a person has a real gender disorder it shows from a very young age. I hope a team of child psychologists has screened this kid thoroughly.
It has never been proven that sexual orientation of a child can be changed by homosexual parents, it's fixed. But they can of course brainwash a kid into (temporarily) thinking it's homosexual or gender dysfore.
I didn't know this stuff happened in the US.....

the brainwashing thing would be a major concern to me. i know its acceptable now but i will never agree to homosexual parents raising kids. i know its not politically correct to say but its my opinion. you can't tell me that a child that has 2 mothers is not going to be feminine and  that it COULD impact a boy into wanting to be a girl
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I share your concerns. Here in Holland there are lots of homo couples who get children. By definition one of the parents isn't the biological one. So a kid has 2 tough things going on: having gay parents and living with at least one non-biological parent.

I think the "right to have children" should not be placed higher than the "right to have heterosexual/biological parents"...

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the brainwashing thing would be a major concern to me. i know its acceptable now but i will never agree to homosexual parents raising kids. i know its not politically correct to say but its my opinion. you can't tell me that a child that has 2 mothers is not going to be feminine and  that it COULD impact a boy into wanting to be a girl

It's not even a matter of opinion. In fact we have no idea of possible psychological consequences of this kind of 'experiment'. We need years and generations of people raised by homosexual parents to know every possible consequence of this action. I think it's not worth the risk and I'm glad I live in convervative Roman Catholic country where things like this simply won't pass.

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the brainwashing thing would be a major concern to me. i know its acceptable now but i will never agree to homosexual parents raising kids. i know its not politically correct to say but its my opinion. you can't tell me that a child that has 2 mothers is not going to be feminine and  that it COULD impact a boy into wanting to be a girl
And Your not alone with that opinion, however this is the "Society" we are living in nowadays, anyone that really believes that those 2 "parents" have absolutely no influence on that boy wanting be the way he is, is living in a fairytale world.

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There's a limit to what medicine should do, I think. Turning a boy into a girl is just not something that should happen. The doctors doing this are at least fucking up a healthy body.
I think that if this stuff is allowed, the child has to be 16 or so at least.

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Letting kids get raised up by homosexual is nothing more than brutal social experiment. It's immoral and cruel. It's scientific common sense that after such short time with such limited experience we may not know every psychological consequence of having two mothers or two fathers. One couldn't fathom complexities of human mind and foresee what this change may bring in the future. Nedless to say, it's hazardous game we're playing in.

I'm so glad in Poland if they allowed this people would go out on streets and kick the shit out of anyone who voted for it.

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I'm so glad in Poland if they allowed this people would go out on streets and kick the shit out of anyone who voted for it.

 ;D great country, very conservativ!

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Letting kids get raised up by homosexual is nothing more than brutal social experiment. It's immoral and cruel. It's scientific common sense that after such short time with such limited experience we may not know every psychological consequence of having two mothers or two fathers. One couldn't fathom complexities of human mind and foresee what this change may bring in the future. Nedless to say, it's hazardous game we're playing in.

I'm so glad in Poland if they allowed this people would go out on streets and kick the shit out of anyone who voted for it.

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I'm so glad in Poland if they allowed this people would go out on streets and kick the shit out of anyone who voted for it.
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Truly I'm shocked at the parents... I don't care if you're gay or straight, whether you have kids or not.

If my son came to me and said he wanted to be a girl, I would simply tell him that you have to wait until you're 18 kid.

It's unbelievable that ANY parent will allow a child to have sexual reassignment surgery and start taking hormones at a young age like that... Quite disgusting for a parent to go along with this.

You are the parent and you make the rules, the child can decide what they want to be when they are old enough to understand those consequences.

For shame on these parents.

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Liberalism at its finest!

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Liberalism at its finest!

It's not liberalism you moron.

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Truly I'm shocked at the parents... I don't care if you're gay or straight, whether you have kids or not.

If my son came to me and said he wanted to be a girl, I would simply tell him that you have to wait until you're 18 kid.

It's unbelievable that ANY parent will allow a child to have sexual reassignment surgery and start taking hormones at a young age like that... Quite disgusting for a parent to go along with this.

You are the parent and you make the rules, the child can decide what they want to be when they are old enough to understand those consequences

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For shame on these parents.
because ultimately, the parents don't like men--straight men.
They wanted their child to be "just like them", and when that child said he wanted to be a girl, and them being lesbian---they were not concerned abut the child being a heterosexual male, thet were not concerned about that male having children. They were always concerned about men in our society, and wonderful it would be if they were all women---including that son. It was alien to them to have a hetero son, but way easier for them to have a "girl"...

Now here is he kicker, will the "girl" like boys or girls...

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Whats Tammy's getbig username?

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Homosexuals give away their rights to parenthood by being homosexuals

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yes. I seriously cannot fucking believe they let fucking homos raise kids. can you imagine being one of those kids? they probably get bullied all the time because of it, and im sure they will either end up gay too or go crazy and kill their ''parents''... totally untorelable, I cant believe they let this happen

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In a recent song, the singer Jill Scott said, "I don't need a man...but your son does."

This really applies to this situation.

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I used to know a lesbian girl who was living in a relationship with another girl and she had a daughter from a previous relationship.  She hated men and would use her influence over her young daughter.  I bet her daughter is very messed up now. 

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Of couse he wants to be a girl, he is being raised by man hating lesbians - how else can a little boy get the love and approval he despeately seeks. Cut his penis off, just what those man hating muff munching dykes want. Kill those bitches.
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yes. I seriously cannot fucking believe they let fucking homos raise kids. can you imagine being one of those kids? they probably get bullied all the time because of it, and im sure they will either end up gay too or go crazy and kill their ''parents''... totally untorelable, I cant believe they let this happen
Don't be a fucking retard, you guys find the first shitty set of gay parents and think you've been given the world. Millions of fucked up straight parents out there, this operation shit has nothing to do with them being gay, there just fucking retarded end of thread.
I ain't for gays adopting, but if they do it outside of the law there ain't nothing you can do, just deal with it.

P.S. I almost started agreeing with you guys until I'm glad I live in Poland comment. Seriously who the fucks glad to live in poland ??? ??? ??? ???

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I find the bigotry in this thread sickening!  >:(
homo ::)
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No I dont - You need to become more tolerant of my opinion - I am entitled to dislike people with perverted sexual tendencies.
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