Example of a good natural, 7-8 years of training maybe more

[Bobby]

like I said, those SAME person that have been 10 years naturaly come to ME for advice.
they come to ME to ask me why the fuck they have seen me go from a skinny tiny tits at 135 lbs when I first join the gym to a lean 240 pounder when they stayed 180 lbs the whole time (and they were in the gym before myself)

So true it's not even funny

You can train for 10 years and know EVERYTHING. A beginner that starts juicing will surpass you in 1 year.
180 lbs for life
The best thing a natural can do is get there and then work on getting lean as fuck and stay lean. That's the only way a natural will be impressive.

[kiwiol]

yes because I have NEVER seen someone who has train for 15 years, ever

Falcon was on the sauce btw

Of course you have, bro. I'm just saying what you've seen isn't all there is to it or the upper limit, having seen my share of things myself.

I'd say 95 or maybe even 98% of the naturals out there stop progressing after the first 2-3 years, but there are some who build respectable physiques that are a lot better than your original example, even though that guy isn't too bad himself.

Again though, why does it matter???

Natural or Not...

I agree with you Kiwiol that not everyone who lifts wants to stick needles in their ass and compete in bodybuilding.  Why does it matter though either way??

It's 2011, we are all educated enough to understand the real effects of steroid use on the body so who cares who does them and who doesn't, when they do them or don't do them.  The obvious lying just doesn't make sense to me.  However Overload is right though, we are just going on everyones word.

I do have to disagree with you on somethings Kiwiol... If see enough naturals, you'll learn what natural looks like whether you were natural for 1 year or your whole life.  Just like bodybuilding contests... if you look at enough photos, after a while you know who is holding water, who didn't diet hard enough, who looks flat, etc... I'm not a huge believer in experience or age or whatever giving you a better edge than someone without.  If that were the case, Phil Heath would not be Mr. O.  Respect in anything in life is earned, not just given because of a length of time. 

I love how people will argue with someone about whether they are natural when they claim to be but even if someone looks like trash, if they say they are on juice, you don't often hear an argument... just something to think about...

If you're talking average gains, then yes, you're right about the timespan making little difference. But there are also some who are exceptions is my point.

And the whole natural bodybuilding topic is a lost cause in Getbig - there's no winning if you take that stance, esp. when the "enemy" is comprised of respected Getbiggers like you and Stav and others, who far outnumber the few naturals there are

I'm not naive and I don't think every person who claims natty status is speaking the truth. Far from it.

[doriancutlerman]

Please end your posts right here.  You are being a moron. You chose to juice at a young age so you have zero conception of what can be attained naturally.  Both in those pictures are easily obtainable and you are a delusional beyond belief if either require roids of any kind.

Adam,

Don't be an asshole.  You are flexing for all you're worth in those pics.  The fellow Stavios posted was totally relaxed.  That is NOT apples to apples and you fucking well KNOW that.

[mesmorph78]

like I said, those SAME person that have been 10 years naturaly come to ME for advice.
they come to ME to ask me why the fuck they have seen me go from a skinny tiny tits at 135 lbs when I first join the gym to a lean 240 pounder when they stayed 180 lbs the whole time (and they were in the gym before myself)

not all naturals are small
alot lot lot of juicers mistake me for a juicer and as me for advice quite dissapointed when they dont get the answer they want...
but yur logic is "flawless "
when you do meet a guy who is better than you.... would will say hes on gear no matter what because hes better than you
because all nautral guys look like that guy ..you posted at the beginning of the thread....
....  some of you guys make me laugh

[apply85]

no one mistakes u for a natural

[Ursus]

My gains have certainly slowed.

My bench probaly went up 10kg in the last year. DB shoulder press maybe went up by 6 reps with my heaviest set etc.

[mesmorph78]

no one mistakes u for a natural

if that was directed towards me...
thx for the "compliment" because i am....

[asbrus]

if that was directed towards me...
thx for the "compliment" because i am....

GETBIG EXPERTS CLAIM THEY CAN TELL WH0 HAS HAS "WATER RETENTI0N" CAUSED BY R0IDS FR0M PICS BECAUSE ACC0RDING T0 THEM, THEY'VE SEEN IT ALL IN THEIR L0CAL GYM.

THE END RESULT IS IF Y0U L00K GREAT AND EVEN HAVE NATURAL STATS, 0N GET BIG Y0U'RE 0N R0IDS. IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT. ACC0RDING T0 GET BIGGERS THERE IS A CERTAIN THICKNESS THAT NATURALS WITH NATURAL STATS CANN0T HAVE IMPLYING THAT ALL NATURALS MUST HAVE THE SAME MUSCLE FIBERS, DENSITY AND THICKNESS T0 THEM.

THIS IS THE BEAUTY 0F THIS C0UNTRY. ANY0NE CAN SAY WHAT THEY WANT AND MAKE 0UTRAGE0US STATEMENTS IMPLYING THAT THEY KN0W IT ALL.

[Howard]

And he needs to lose some fat.

true but you need to lose that face and head. Perhaps a head transplant will be possible in the near future.

[Stavios]

not all naturals are small
alot lot lot of juicers mistake me for a juicer and as me for advice quite dissapointed when they dont get the answer they want...
but yur logic is "flawless "
when you do meet a guy who is better than you.... would will say hes on gear no matter what because hes better than you
because all nautral guys look like that guy ..you posted at the beginning of the thread....
....  some of you guys make me laugh

hum... I see plenty of natural bodybuilders who are better than me. My physique is not made for bodybuilding.

but I am fucking 240 lbs, so yes, when I meet a guy who is bigger than me I suspect him to be AT LEAST on some gear !!

[che]

 I am fucking 240

or bust   

[Stavios]

for example, here is another of my friend, who has GREAT genetics.

been training for about the same time as me, stay around 175-180

he bench presses more than myself who weights much more than him.

BUT, he is smaller.

[Stavios]

or bust   

 

[Stavios]

I'm not naive and I don't think every person who claims natty status is speaking the truth. Far from it.

I have never called out anybody on getbig who was claiming natural, usualy my mind is already made up and if the guys says he is natural then be it but if I don't think he is I just let it go.

No need to argue on the interwebz about that.

but at the gym, when a guy "brags" about being natural walking around weighin 250 lbs at 5'9 and try to start shit with roiders, when I KNOW FOR A FACT than he has been on drugs for many years (knowing where he buys it and also how much he takes), it pisses me off a bit.

I like when people just mind their own business IRL

[gh15]

The problem is, you don't know for a fact that Adonis or any of these others guys you mention, are natural.

If you want to take their word for it, go ahead.

Some of us know better.

This entire arguement is not valid, because non of us know which person is truely 100% natural. We can only take them on their word and what we know after being in this game for many years. I can spot a juicer a mile away, but you don't have to take my word for it.

and this! is the butom line! ,, the f ella my pupil stavio put there is actualy very good natural ....he is not the best...but he didntclaim he wasthe best natural out there,, he is def very good natural ,, and again natural bodybuilding is DEAD over 170lb 5'10,, yes yes friends that mean 150lb 5'7.... and even lower for 5'6 ,, 6% dry but this is whee natural bodybuild turn into hormonized bodybuild,, no matter what you hear,,

you ever hear fellas talk about oh this fella is 200lb is nto good enough for bodybuild ,,real bodybuild are 230 240 lol ....thats thesame balonie theytalk about ture naturals,,

IN REALITY A 5'10! 200LB FELLA WITH 31-32 INCH WAIST 6% ...WITH GOOD STRUCTURE..WHEN THEY ENTER  AGYM THERE IS SILENCE OF THE LAMBS,, EVERYONE STARE EVERYONE LOOK AND EVERY ONE COMPARE THEMSELVES TO THEM EVEN THE 250 LB 10% ...THATS BECAUSE 200-210LB 6% DRY IS WHERE EPIDOM OF BODYBUILDING SIT...BEFORE ! THERE WAS HGH ANDINSULINA AROUND...

a;ways reember  the size on bodybuild past 220 5'10 always go to the gut....always...no matter what...some can pull it well some cant,,the few mr o you see with flat stomack ... also had gutstheyjust held it ok ....when dont you havea gut? ...when you are 200lb frank zane...when you are 6'2 230lbrnold which =  205lb 5'10....when you are serge....etcetc

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[njflex]

I have never called out anybody on getbig who was claiming natural, usualy my mind is already made up and if the guys says he is natural then be it but if I don't think he is I just let it go.

No need to argue on the interwebz about that.

but at the gym, when a guy "brags" about being natural walking around weighin 250 lbs at 5'9 and try to start shit with roiders, when I KNOW FOR A FACT than he has been on drugs for many years (knowing where he buys it and also how much he takes), it pisses me off a bit.

I like when people just mind their own business IRL

ur a good dude,,u have good build and contribute here with no ego as well...

[gh15]

^^^ trenbolone

lol,, and lots of time on trenbolone...not only a month lol,,much more other products,, you just wont advance in bodybuild unless specific hormone in the blood,, you my get in better condition ...but! you will lose weight and some size...you will pull illusion maybe in pictures,, but the illusion will be within normaicy itwil be  16 inch arms looking like 17inch arms....itwill be good shape to muscle,, btu it will still be170friends ,, still be 167.... wont beno 188lb or 192lb ...jjust dont work this way friends

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[BiGHer]

Of course you have, bro. I'm just saying what you've seen isn't all there is to it or the upper limit, having seen my share of things myself.

I'd say 95 or maybe even 98% of the naturals out there stop progressing after the first 2-3 years, but there are some who build respectable physiques that are a lot better than your original example, even though that guy isn't too bad himself.

If you're talking average gains, then yes, you're right about the timespan making little difference. But there are also some who are exceptions is my point.

And the whole natural bodybuilding topic is a lost cause in Getbig - there's no winning if you take that stance, esp. when the "enemy" is comprised of respected Getbiggers like you and Stav and others, who far outnumber the few naturals there are

I'm not naive and I don't think every person who claims natty status is speaking the truth. Far from it.

As much as natural bodybuilding is a lost cause on Getbig, so is telling a die hard natural that he is not one of these exceptions.  Problem is an exception is RARE and in the natural world, an exception would carry Max 10 lbs more of muscle and naturally that is a LOT.  However, 95% of people are not that exception, but good luck telling a die hard natural that.  

[Stavios]

ur a good dude,,u have good build and contribute here with no ego as well...

thanks man I appreciate 

[gh15]

In terms of sheer muscle mass a natural won't get very far. You may look built, athletic or whatever but never huge.

What can make a natural look impressive though is of you build a decent amount of muscle mass(say +20lbs on top of your average adult muscle mass) and then get shredded while keeping most of that muscle. So in my book, most naturals don't have problem with getting the muscle mass, it's just a matter of controlling bodyfat and water retention. For example the guy Stavios posted pics of is probably close to what's achievable muscle wise naturally, but he can certainly get rid of some blubber and look more impressive.

Height and the shape of your muscle bellies also matter a lot.

only in pictures friend only in pictures,, theshape and all that isall good for pictures,, in reality yuo need the thickness that go hand andhand with condition size! you need it and you wont haveit with out hormones,,

yes some natural look good at 167 lb when they weigh in for competition ...but wil it give them the win? no it wont,, 4rth or 3rd place mr neverland,,thats whatit giv them ,, it give them maybe sense of accomplishment...did they get there naturaly? hell no they didnt,,

they used fat burners,, they used halodrol while bulking lol they use some fake aas that they were burnt with but had some hormone inside underdose.... they played the field ...no one is dumb enough to remain natural in a sea where natural = gettingno where...true natural that is ,,

dont make excuses for liars,,most naturals lie,, the ones who dont at best case scanario will be sittign 170lb 6% 5'10 they in most liklihood wont win any competition butplace somewhere in the middle lets say 3 out of 7 ...or 4 out of 8...

yuo get the idea right? good

this is thetruth fella ,, you need read nothing more..THIS IS THE TRUTH

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[BiGHer]

I have never called out anybody on getbig who was claiming natural, usualy my mind is already made up and if the guys says he is natural then be it but if I don't think he is I just let it go.

No need to argue on the interwebz about that.

but at the gym, when a guy "brags" about being natural walking around weighin 250 lbs at 5'9 and try to start shit with roiders, when I KNOW FOR A FACT than he has been on drugs for many years (knowing where he buys it and also how much he takes), it pisses me off a bit.

I like when people just mind their own business IRL

Stavios, good post bro.  I think it would cool if no one gave a shit who was on what or who wasn't.  This is BODYBUILDING.  Build the best body at all costs.  This is a bodybuilding board lol.  People wanna post their pics and lie about what they use or do like it matters.  Just keep building you body however you best see fit... PERIOD.  If you're not happy with the physique you have natural or not, then you need to keep working on it in the gym, the kitchen, and of course... Wait for it... If your goals in bodybuilding are high enough... Yes kids... THE HORMONES.

Hahaha... The end of that post was for you gh15 haha.

[che]

My ex workout partner ,natural or not ? 6'1''  ,195lbs

[gh15]

Of course you have, bro. I'm just saying what you've seen isn't all there is to it or the upper limit, having seen my share of things myself.

I'd say 95 or maybe even 98% of the naturals out there stop progressing after the first 2-3 years, but there are some who build respectable physiques that are a lot better than your original example, even though that guy isn't too bad himself.

If you're talking average gains, then yes, you're right about the timespan making little difference. But there are also some who are exceptions is my point.

And the whole natural bodybuilding topic is a lost cause in Getbig - there's no winning if you take that stance, esp. when the "enemy" is comprised of respected Getbiggers like you and Stav and others, who far outnumber the few naturals there are

I'm not naive and I don't think every person who claims natty status is speaking the truth. Far from it.

there are no naturals over 170lb 5'10 6% ,, never was and never will be,, thebest genetic naturals of italian andblack genetic stop at 168-170lb 65 dry on stage,, they are the best and anyone over those numbers and notice the heights! im saying here,, 5'10 ...not 5'8.... the fellss who hold those numbers are genetic elite and not manyaround,, with shirt on they look like balonie,, with out shirt they look like a road map ,, they are small group and theyjust dont look like bodybuild with clothes on ,, with out clothesyuo will bejelosu of them usualy no mater what size you have unles you are hormonized and bodybuilder that can get also in condition and justbigger condition lol

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[gh15]

My ex workout partner ,natural or not ? 6'1''  ,195lbs

your picturs are midleading,, they are very much close ups,, they dont show the true cases ,, they dont show how small those fells are in relashion to smoeone who get in gymnasium 200lb 6% ...,,and ifthey are 200lb 8% they are hormonized...so why even fellas should bother guess,,

illsuion in pictures is everything when it come to internet bodybuild,,,try to pull it in a gymnasium or on stage...it wont work ,, the thicker survive on stage,, if you can be conditioned and thick....THATS when the americano whore start smiling at you at any given moment with i want you between my legs type of look ,, they all do it because women smell conditioned muscle,, they do it all of them ,,, ages 18 to 60 ,, 16 -17 too...

conditioned muscle ,, that mean THICK AND! low bodyfat and good frame and build,, those fellas ofcourse are hormonized and those are the only ones who get a second look

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[Stavios]

My ex workout partner ,natural or not ? 6'1''  ,195lbs

Fucking hard to say

first of all, he is not that thick, he just has a fucking AWESOME structure kinda like yourself.

second, he is a black dude

a 6'1 black dude could MAYBE look like this, I'd say he might have used some orals or prohormones

195 lbs in that condition is still heavy but he looks like he has a big frame

legs look smooth too

could be natty ..