Why MMA Could Get You Killed

[Fortress]

 Unless Tyson KOs the MMA guy in a few seconds, the MMA guy will do the takedown and then it's over for Tyson.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Are you SERIOUS? A prime Tyson, in a sudden street battle, would DECIMATE a majority of UFC/MMA superstars. Before they could figure what exactly was happening, Mike would punch 50 holes in them.

A precise and powerful barrage of punches thrown by a physically superior man is devastating.

[Benny B]

Are you SERIOUS? A prime Tyson, in a sudden street battle, would DECIMATE a majority of UFC/MMA superstars. Before they could figure what exactly was happening, Mike would punch 50 holes in them.

A precise and powerful barrage of punches thrown by a physically superior man is devastating.

More significantly, a 22 year old Mike Tyson in a street fight would not hesitate to fight dirty. Its not like the guy was inexperienced in the world of the street.
You guys think what he did in biting Holyfield's ear was bad...ha!


The audio is badly out of sync, but those of you old enough remember the story...

[flipper5470]

Mike Tyson was so oversold...he fought nobody...nobody with any real ability and strength while building his bullshit rep.  Buster fricking Douglas beat his ass like he stole something and then Holyfield exposed him for the joke he really was.   In a sanctioned fight with rules...a balanced MMA fighter would be favored over a boxer of equal ability and strength. The MMA fighter has more paths to victory..the boxer has but one.

[oldtimer1]

Great post.

MMA isn't worthless, obviously, but much of what is said against it being some awesome REAL altercation fighting system is based in truth.

SO much of MMA is simply sport. Becoming wonderfully proficient in it does leave one open to a brutal beating in a a real-world fight.

You are a simpleton. Let me see the pure karate guy in an MMA fight. He would get beaten quickly. MMA stands for Mixed martial arts. Bruce Lee has said in effect that he takes the best from each martial art. That is what MMA is. What is a real world fight? Is it where a guy takes a baseball bat to the back of your head when you aren't looking? Or when someone sticks you with a blade? How is a MMA guy at a disadvantage in  a real world fight with no weapons?

[Immortal_Technique]

I've been saying this for quite some time and many don't want to hear it. MMA and brazilian Jiu Jitsu are no match for traditional martial arts. The Gracies always open up witha front snap kick followed by a take down. A true Karate master has a hundred ways of destroying someone stupid enough to proceed in that manner. The MMA teachers are promising these kids that they could whoop anyone with submission holds. The strikes and kicks of a Karate expert are LETHAL. Do not be fooled by the Gracies. These oily bastards would line up tomato-cans for their Gracie challenge. They always evaded true Karate masters. 

So if you ever fail to land one of these fatal kicks what's plan B? Get grappled to fuck on the ground? Sounds like a boxer's approach, i.e. no plan B, lie on back and get killed.

[bigmc]

Mike Tyson was so oversold...he fought nobody...nobody with any real ability and strength while building his bullshit rep.  Buster fricking Douglas beat his ass like he stole something and then Holyfield exposed him for the joke he really was.   In a sanctioned fight with rules...a balanced MMA fighter would be favored over a boxer of equal ability and strength. The MMA fighter has more paths to victory..the boxer has but one.

hi Dana

[_bruce_]

hi Dana

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[Fortress]

In a sanctioned fight with rules, a balanced MMA fighter would be favored over a boxer of equal ability and strength.

No shit. I spoke of a real, and sudden (obviously), altercation.

[Fortress]

You are a simpleton. Let me see the pure karate guy in an MMA fight. He would get beaten quickly. MMA stands for Mixed martial arts. Bruce Lee has said in effect that he takes the best from each martial art. That is what MMA is. What is a real world fight? Is it where a guy takes a baseball bat to the back of your head when you aren't looking? Or when someone sticks you with a blade? How is a MMA guy at a disadvantage in  a real world fight with no weapons?

Does anyone actually read, and with comprehension, posts 'round these parts?

And you call me a simpleton. Sheesh.  

I agree: in an MMA sport fight, as it exists today, the Karate student would suffer the loss. But when did I suggest otherwise?

Bruce Lee's eventual accumulation of best-bits wouldn't classify as what is referred to today as MMA. Hope this helps.

A real-world fight would be, say, one guy on the street says some shit to another, passing by. Words are briefly exchanged and then the two men engage in a sudden and violent storm of assault.

Hope this, too, helps.

"How is a MMA guy at a disadvantage in a real world fight with no weapons?"

I never suggested this person would be, all things being equal.

Again, it baffles how one so seemingly unable to comprehend simple written words can accuse another of being a simpleton.

Do not embarrass yourself like this again. Take the time to fully understand what you read before you respond with idiotic nonsense.

  

[avxo]

this man  just ignore the ball kick  like a man .......

I didn't think I could stand watching this, after I realized it would involve a kick to the balls. But I'm actually amazed that he conditioned himself over a period of time to eat a blow to the trachea/carotid and absorb a kick to the balls and not flinch. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go feel nauseous.

As for the whole "MMA > (insert martial art)" debate, I think it's beside the point. There's no one metric that you can use to evaluate and compare martial arts; it depends on what the practitioner seeks to get out of the training.

To the guy saying how MMA is perfect for street fights, whereas Karate isn't, I would point out that all training is helpful when it comes to a street fight. Not because of any one particular move. But because of the experience of training. During training, chances are you'll get an adrenaline dump more than a few times; this will come in handy when you get the same thing during a fight. The training helps you to know your body, and how it reacts.

Besides, I very much doubt that any one of the Gracies would last for any amount of time when faced with individuals that are well-trained in any of the major military-developed styles. Why? Because they would be up against people whose training isn't meant to get submissions, but to kill, quickly, quietly and with energy efficiency.

[flipper5470]

No shit. I spoke of a real, and sudden (obviously), altercation.

I think a sanctioned fight with defined rules is more "real" than some random street brawl.  A sanctioned fight removes most of the outside variables (bats, chains, knives, sucker punch, intervention by friends...etc) that can minimize the skills of the participants.  My skills are limited....but I have enough physical attributes working in my favor that I could sucker punch a black belt in virtually any dicipline and toss him into a dumpster....does that make me a Champ?

[orion]

Mike Tyson was so oversold...he fought nobody...nobody with any real ability and strength while building his bullshit rep.  Buster fricking Douglas beat his ass like he stole something and then Holyfield exposed him for the joke he really was.   In a sanctioned fight with rules...a balanced MMA fighter would be favored over a boxer of equal ability and strength. The MMA fighter has more paths to victory..the boxer has but one.

Dude, have you ever seen Tyson fight in his prime?  Wouldn't make such a retarded statement if you did.  The man could bob and weave better than anyone.  There isn't a man alive who could survive his uppercut or hook.  I've yet to see an MMA fighter who could box.  Just stop talking, you're embarrassing yourself.

[flipper5470]

Tyson came along in a weak era for heavyweights and he wasn't even the best of that era.  Numbskull fan boys that were impressed by KO's of weak fighters were fooled...people who had the priviledge to see fighters with skill and heart know he was a chump.

[gracie bjj]

i think tyson in his prime wouldve ended the same way as randy vs james toney in a mma bout, tyson would destroy any mma fighter in a pure queensbury rules boxing match without a doubt though

[flipper5470]

Of course a specialist will be a generalist at his game if the fight is set up that way.  I grew up watching boxing and still tune in if it's a good fight...the problem I have with boxing right now is that it's so fragmented with differnet orginizations and promoters running things, you don't get to see "good fights".
MMA is entertaining because you see things lik a muay thai guy with some ground skills going up against a BJJ guy with a some  striking skills....it becomes a test of wills to see who's style will be imposed.  You rarely see that kind oof competition in boxing these days.  It's all about matching guys up so they'll look good.

[che]

Hey, everyone STFU

End of the thread.

[gracie bjj]

 the USA airforce,army,navy and marines hired the gracies to train over 500 of their troops that are in iraq, they got to know alittle something about real combat  
 

[gracie bjj]

lets get this post over to the mma boards, im sure they would get a blast out of it

[arce1988]

  Keep training, and keep learning...

[keanu]

MMA incorporates every martial art including Karate. Thread closed.

[orion]

the USA airforce,army,navy and marines hired the gracies to train over 500 of their troops that are in iraq, they got to know alittle something about real combat  
 
I seriously doubt that there was any jujuitsi going on in the streets of Iraq. Kinda useless against IEDs and suicide bombers.  Pretty sure the Gracies never left the compound.

[gracie bjj]

i let you in on a little secret,it was the gracie family who killed bin laden

[Your Average GymRat]

i let you in on a little secret,it was the gracie family who killed bin laden

Nah. Being Brazilian they probably would have let Bin Laden fuck their sister, especially if he could get them some fake visas so they could come to Framingham and landscape for four bucks an hour.

[gracie bjj]

Nah. Being Brazilian they probably would have let Bin Laden fuck their sister, especially if he could get them some fake visas so they could come to Framingham and landscape for four bucks an hour.

 lol, the gracies are prolly makin about 150$ an hour, not counting the millions they got in the bank

[axestream]

the USA airforce,army,navy and marines hired the gracies to train over 500 of their troops that are in iraq, they got to know alittle something about real combat  
 

That's just for entertainment. Unless they trained them for months, day in, day out, they're not going to use any of that shit in real combat.