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WASHINGTON -- Herman Cain's now-famous "9-9-9" tax plan was crafted by a rank-and-file investment adviser working at a Wells Fargo branch in an affluent rural Ohio town with a population of about 6,000 people.

Cain name-checked Richard Lowrie during Tuesday night's Republican debate on economic policy, and his campaign confirmed to HuffPost that Richard Lowrie Jr., a Wells Fargo employee in Pepper Pike, Ohio, outside of Cleveland, was the official adviser to his campaign who hammered out the "9-9-9" plan. The plan calls for creating a new 9 percent federal sales tax on everything consumers buy, while cutting the corporate tax rate to 9 percent and imposing a flat 9 percent income tax on all wages.

Cain said on "Meet the Press" that his program is "revenue-neutral," meaning it will raise exactly the same amount of tax money as the current tax system. By cutting corporate taxes and taxes for the wealthy, the program puts a heavy new tax burden on the poor and the middle class.

It is unusual for a presidential campaign to employ a local investment adviser as an economic policy expert. Major electoral campaigns typically seek out high-profile economists with federal policymaking experience or academic gravitas.

According to Lowrie's LinkedIn profile, his education tops out with a Bachelor of Science in accountancy from Case Western University. He has no formal training in economics, and there is no indication that he has ever worked on public policy. According to that same profile, Lowrie's political experience includes working on the board of advisers for Americans For Prosperity, a hardline conservative outfit founded by the Koch Brothers, until 2008. In 2011, the group ran into trouble for posting fake eviction notices on the doors of Detroit families. Lowrie's LinkedIn profile also says he works on the volunteer advisory panel for the American Conservative Union


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/11/richard-lowrie-herman-cain-tax-plan_n_1006201.html

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Re: Local Wells Fargo Branch Employee, Crafted Herman Cain's '9-9-9'
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2011, 11:16:27 PM »
"The Huffington Post" no agenda there. Hahaha. How to the libs feel about Ariana Huffington selling out for $350mil? lol

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Re: Local Wells Fargo Branch Employee, Crafted Herman Cain's '9-9-9'
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2011, 11:50:55 PM »
"The Huffington Post" no agenda there. Hahaha. How to the libs feel about Ariana Huffington selling out for $350mil? lol

wtf does what you just said have to do with the fact that he has some shmuck out of Wells Fargo in  Bumfuckville drawing up his touted 9-9-9 plan? Who does he have in mind for Chairmen of the Fed, Joe the Plumber?





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Re: Local Wells Fargo Branch Employee, Crafted Herman Cain's '9-9-9'
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2011, 05:37:36 AM »
Just what the country needs, a 9 percent sales tax for everything you buy.  So that can go along with you 7.5% state sales tax, and your 3% city sales tax on average so now you get to pay almost a 20% sales tax every time you buy something.  What a terrible idea. 

 
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Re: Local Wells Fargo Branch Employee, Crafted Herman Cain's '9-9-9'
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2011, 05:55:22 AM »
His plan does away with Fica taxes which are 15% of earnings. 


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Re: Local Wells Fargo Branch Employee, Crafted Herman Cain's '9-9-9'
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2011, 06:06:45 AM »
His plan does away with Fica taxes which are 15% of earnings. 



True, but would that really compensate for the money lost on a 9% fed sales tax.  I would argue that it is still a major tax hike on middle America.  I thought you read Creature from Jekyll Island?  You still putting support behind Cain?  I just can't get past this guy's stance on the Fed. 
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Re: Local Wells Fargo Branch Employee, Crafted Herman Cain's '9-9-9'
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2011, 06:08:35 AM »
True, but would that really compensate for the money lost on a 9% fed sales tax.  I would argue that it is still a major tax hike on middle America.  I thought you read Creature from Jekyll Island?  You still putting support behind Cain?  I just can't get past this guy's stance on the Fed. 


What's your problem? Just call them up and ask to talk to somebody and they'll tell you everything you need to know.

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Re: Local Wells Fargo Branch Employee, Crafted Herman Cain's '9-9-9'
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2011, 06:11:21 AM »
True, but would that really compensate for the money lost on a 9% fed sales tax.  I would argue that it is still a major tax hike on middle America.  I thought you read Creature from Jekyll Island?  You still putting support behind Cain?  I just can't get past this guy's stance on the Fed. 

I dont like the idea of an income tax AND a sales tax!  I think its a lot of trouble because the pols will make that 15-15-15 in no time at all.   

I favor a flat national sales tax and thats it, no income tax at all. 

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Re: Local Wells Fargo Branch Employee, Crafted Herman Cain's '9-9-9'
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2011, 06:13:21 AM »
True, but would that really compensate for the money lost on a 9% fed sales tax.  I would argue that it is still a major tax hike on middle America.  I thought you read Creature from Jekyll Island?  You still putting support behind Cain?  I just can't get past this guy's stance on the Fed. 

I thought you knew by now that our friend here is trying to kill the middle class ???

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Re: Local Wells Fargo Branch Employee, Crafted Herman Cain's '9-9-9'
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2011, 06:14:28 AM »
Just what the country needs, a 9 percent sales tax for everything you buy.  So that can go along with you 7.5% state sales tax, and your 3% city sales tax on average so now you get to pay almost a 20% sales tax every time you buy something.  What a terrible idea. 

So if I buy a Bowflex (like most getbiggers) for $1,499, I'll be paying $299.80 in tax? 1798.80? ???  :o

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Re: Local Wells Fargo Branch Employee, Crafted Herman Cain's '9-9-9'
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2011, 06:19:10 AM »
I dont like the idea of an income tax AND a sales tax!  I think its a lot of trouble because the pols will make that 15-15-15 in no time at all.   

I favor a flat national sales tax and thats it, no income tax at all. 

I would favor that if it could never get higher than 3%.  Fed could also be funded by excise taxes and tariffs. 
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Re: Local Wells Fargo Branch Employee, Crafted Herman Cain's '9-9-9'
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2011, 06:20:32 AM »
So if I buy a Bowflex (like most getbiggers) for $1,499, I'll be paying $299.80 in tax? 1798.80? ???  :o

 ;D

Just like if you buy a H2 Hummer for 50,000 you pay 10,000 in sales tax. $60,000?
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Re: Local Wells Fargo Branch Employee, Crafted Herman Cain's '9-9-9'
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2011, 06:22:13 AM »
Just like if you buy a H2 Hummer for 50,000 you pay 10,000 in sales tax. $60,000?

Suddenly, it's going to be much harder to live like a true getbigger!

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Re: Local Wells Fargo Branch Employee, Crafted Herman Cain's '9-9-9'
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2011, 06:22:23 AM »
The real truth is 9-9-9 originated from a Godfather sales promotion, if you vote for Cain your next medium sized, fully topped pizza is only $9.99.

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Re: Local Wells Fargo Branch Employee, Crafted Herman Cain's '9-9-9'
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2011, 06:22:46 AM »
Just like if you buy a H2 Hummer for 50,000 you pay 10,000 in sales tax. $60,000?

A sales tax is far preferrable to an income tax since you have control over what you pay.  

W income tax - you have no control and it taxes your productivity.  

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Re: Local Wells Fargo Branch Employee, Crafted Herman Cain's '9-9-9'
« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2011, 06:56:44 AM »
He called Greenspan the best Fed chairmen, which means Cains an idiot and a perfect candidate for BeachBum type republicans. If he really believes that then he doesn't stand a chance in he'll of improving this economy.

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Re: Local Wells Fargo Branch Employee, Crafted Herman Cain's '9-9-9'
« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2011, 07:01:23 AM »
He called Greenspan the best Fed chairmen, which means Cains an idiot and a perfect candidate for BeachBum type republicans. If he really believes that then he doesn't stand a chance in he'll of improving this economy.

Who was the best fed chairman in your opinion? Bernake?  ::)

Can you even name another one besides those two?

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Re: Local Wells Fargo Branch Employee, Crafted Herman Cain's '9-9-9'
« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2011, 07:03:59 AM »
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The fed are your friends,,Haha

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Re: Local Wells Fargo Branch Employee, Crafted Herman Cain's '9-9-9'
« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2011, 07:05:14 AM »
Who was the best fed chairman in your opinion? Bernake?  ::)

Can you even name another one besides those two?



So you're saying Greenspans decisions  were good for the economy?

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Re: Local Wells Fargo Branch Employee, Crafted Herman Cain's '9-9-9'
« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2011, 07:09:29 AM »
The real truth is 9-9-9 originated from a Godfather sales promotion, if you vote for Cain your next medium sized, fully topped pizza is only $9.99.


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Re: Local Wells Fargo Branch Employee, Crafted Herman Cain's '9-9-9'
« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2011, 07:13:42 AM »


So you're saying Greenspans decisions  were good for the economy?

Ron Paul's answer was the best...Volker protected the value of the dollar and stopped hyper inflation.  Greenspan lowered rates for years and years. It ultimately lead to bubbles in the stock and housing markets which we still haven't recovered from.

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« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2011, 07:17:47 AM »
Ron Paul's answer was the best...Volker protected the value of the dollar and stopped hyper inflation.  Greenspan lowered rates for years and years. It ultimately lead to bubbles in the stock and housing markets which we still haven't recovered from.

Then we had to endure all his Greenspeak bullshit. Lots if talk with nothing being said. Don't forget,"we can just print the money."  ::)

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Re: Local Wells Fargo Branch Employee, Crafted Herman Cain's '9-9-9'
« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2011, 07:22:24 AM »
Then we had to endure all his Greenspeak bullshit. Lots if talk with nothing being said. Don't forget,"we can just print the money."  ::)
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Greenspan is a complete asshole..I really liked the last time he was interviewed by congress,,,He was like a beaten down old man...His confidence was gone, Many senators were talking down to him..Unlike in the past when the worshiped the ground he walked on.

But he's right we have a printing press, and can print our way out of our obligations...True story

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Re: Local Wells Fargo Branch Employee, Crafted Herman Cain's '9-9-9'
« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2011, 12:09:31 PM »
The guy wasn't even a monkey boy stock picker...it's a "let me sell you an annuity and CD" kind of guy.

Explains a lot.

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Re: Local Wells Fargo Branch Employee, Crafted Herman Cain's '9-9-9'
« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2011, 04:27:36 PM »
Sounds ok if you are under the assumption that the very rich are out purchasing fleets of high-end cars and yachts on a daily basis.  Yes, those items move, but not on the scale that one may think.

Putting a federal sales tax in lieu of an income tax would be disastrous for the poor and the middle class.  What makes you think the the continuing devaluing of the dollar would stop, along with inflation and stagnant wages?  Paying an extra 10% at Wal-Mart could completely break many poor and middle class families, leaving them with hard choices of like whether to pay rent or having to skip a meal.  I did see that the tax would not be applicable to "essential goods" but what would that constitute as?  Who makes and enforces what an essential good is?  Are diapers essential?  How about "cooking" wine.....Little debbie cakes....soda......cloth ing?

And, again....we do not have a taxing problem.  We have a spending problem.