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Re: Eating Five Or Six Meals Each Day Speeds Up Metabolism - MYTH?
« Reply #25 on: October 12, 2011, 12:45:51 PM »
i like eating frequent meals mainly because i tend to get hungry really quickly and get horrible hunger swings and cant function too well when hungry

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Re: Eating Five Or Six Meals Each Day Speeds Up Metabolism - MYTH?
« Reply #26 on: October 12, 2011, 12:47:12 PM »
That's totally false dude, there's load of neurological studies that show people metabolalisms, are directly effected by how the person thinks/how the persons is living. This is pretty new stuff but it is 100 percent real.

It might seem counter intuitive, but just think if your brain can control your sex drive, or your heart rate without your consent, why would it be any different with your metabolism. This is why being stress free is key to putting on mass.
That's nice in a lab, but in the real world it's irrelevant. Lots of stress increases stress hormone and adrenaline, but constant stress is pathological and that wasn't the topic..

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« Reply #27 on: October 12, 2011, 12:49:35 PM »
myth.

says Dr Dutch..
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« Reply #28 on: October 12, 2011, 12:54:58 PM »
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« Reply #29 on: October 12, 2011, 01:14:48 PM »
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« Reply #30 on: October 12, 2011, 01:25:11 PM »
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Re: Eating Five Or Six Meals Each Day Speeds Up Metabolism - MYTH?
« Reply #31 on: October 12, 2011, 01:45:20 PM »
it's a little more specific than that....the meals have to be clean in nature, and the portions need to be controlled...it's more he pattern that will aid in increasing he MR...just as eating  once or twice a day  will make the body go into conservation mode and lower the MR to compensate.  

Fats  and carbs  are more satisfying to the system as opposed to protein and veggies...thus the reason you're hungry after eating Chinese food after an hour...unlike pizza, which you can eat a few slices and be good for half a day.  
Welcome to 1997 but you are wrong.

There is no such thing as "clean" eating and don`t make me post Layne Norton`s dissertation of why meal frequency does not have any effect on Metabolic Rate.

There is no "Conservation Mode".

Satiety has more to do with Personal Preference and Water Content than anything else.

I Hope this helps (I doubt that it will).

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« Reply #32 on: October 12, 2011, 01:47:31 PM »
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Re: Eating Five Or Six Meals Each Day Speeds Up Metabolism - MYTH?
« Reply #33 on: October 12, 2011, 01:47:49 PM »
Is it a myth that eating five or six smaller meals per day speeds up your metabolism?

I've tried to find proof on google.  Cannot find anything but opinions from fitness industry types.

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And what's wrong with that?

The mainstream scientific community is often DECADES behind, when it comes to sports nutrition. What they tout as "breakthroughs", old-school bodybuilders were doing long ago.

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« Reply #34 on: October 12, 2011, 01:49:57 PM »
And what's wrong with that?

The mainstream scientific community is often DECADES behind, when it comes to sports nutrition. What they tout as "breakthroughs", old-school bodybuilders were doing long ago.
Uh, that is supplement companies touting "Breakthroughs".  NOT the Scientific Community.  The Scientific Community just reports their findings after a particular experiment.

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« Reply #35 on: October 12, 2011, 01:51:13 PM »
So what is the correct meal frequency?
I've never eaten 6x per day...for me it's just too much, Perhaps if my dosages were significantly higher and it affected my appitite maybe.
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« Reply #36 on: October 12, 2011, 01:51:54 PM »
Most wild animals graze all day long.

Ever see a fat deer,horse,goat,lion,tiger,leopard,etc. etc.,only if it has been domesticated by man.

Answer: graze,or eat frequent,portion controlled, clean meals as Bob said.

Oh yeah,fuck Lyle McDonald and his bigger uglier brother Ronald.

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« Reply #37 on: October 12, 2011, 01:52:28 PM »
Uh, that is supplement companies touting "Breakthroughs".  NOT the Scientific Community.  The Scientific Community just reports their findings after a particular experiment.

And their experiments are often days late and dollars short.

"Millions of people are involved in exercise programs that involve strength training and aerobic exercise. High-protein diets are the craze. Arnold (Schwarzenegger) was doing that back in the '70s, in the 60s." - Bill Phillips, "Iron and Beyond", from the Pumping Iron: 25th Anniversary Edition DVD.


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« Reply #38 on: October 12, 2011, 01:53:42 PM »
So what is the correct meal frequency?
I've never eaten 6x per day...for me it's just too much, Perhaps if my dosages were significantly higher and it affected my appitite maybe.

What does dosage have to do with appetite?

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« Reply #39 on: October 12, 2011, 01:56:57 PM »
Also, Intermittent Fasting works EXTREMELY well for adding muscle and remaining ripped.  I have done it for a while also.  This site should shatter Bob Chick and the rest of the Myth Bearers of Meal Frequency.


http://www.leangains.com/p/my-transformation.html



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« Reply #40 on: October 12, 2011, 02:00:54 PM »
Also, Intermittent Fasting works EXTREMELY well for adding muscle and remaining ripped.  I have done it for a while also.  This site should shatter Bob Chick and the rest of the Myth Bearers of Meal Frequency.


http://www.leangains.com/p/my-transformation.html




This is hardly anything new. Vince Gironda used to fast from time to time and recommended his clients do the same, to cleanse their systems, before going back on their mass-gaining diets (which were around 5-6 meals per day).

So, you haven't destroyed JACK!!!

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Re: Eating Five Or Six Meals Each Day Speeds Up Metabolism - MYTH?
« Reply #41 on: October 12, 2011, 02:02:45 PM »






Wednesday, April 14, 2010
The Leangains Guide
1:45 PM | Posted by Martin Berkhan

 

Share It's about time I compiled a comprehensive guide to my system, so here it is.

Intermittent fasting and Leangains

How does Leangains differentiate itself from some other intermittent fasting based diets? Here's a brief primer.


The basics

In-depth coverage of my approach, and the benefits of intermittent fasting, can be read about here.

A much shorter summary can be found here.


Fasting and feeding

My general position on the fasted phase is that it should last through the night and during the morning hours. Ideally the fast should then be broken at noon or shortly thereafter if you arise at 6-7 AM like most people. Afternoons and evenings are usually spent in the fed state.

However, the fast could also also be broken later in the day depending on your personal preferences and daily routine. I personally tend to break the fast as late as 4-6 PM since I work well into the night and rise later than most people with normal jobs.

The recommendation for fasting through the earlier part of the day, as opposed to the latter part of the day, is for behavioral and social reasons. Most people simply find it easier to fast after awakening and prefer going to bed satiated. Afternoons and evenings are times to unwind and eat. For adherence reasons during dieting, I've also found that placing the feeding phase later in the day is ideal for most people.


The protocols

I work with four different protocols depending on when my clients train. Depending on setup, one, two, or three meals are eaten in the post-workout period.


Fasted training

Training is initiated on an empty stomach and after ingestion of 10 g BCAA or similar amino acid mixture. This "pre-workout" meal is not counted towards the feeding phase. Technically, training is not completely fasted - that would be detrimental. The pre-workout protein intake, with its stimulatory effect on protein synthesis and metabolism, is a crucial compromise to optimize results. The 8-hour feeding phase starts with the post-workout meal.

Sample setup

11.30-12 AM or 5-15 minutes pre-workout: 10 g BCAA
12-1 PM: Training
1 PM: Post-workout meal (largest meal of the day).
4 PM: Second meal.
9 PM: Last meal before the fast.

Calories and carbs are tapered down throughout the day in the example above.


Early morning fasted training

Here's a sample setup for a client that trains early in the morning and prefers the feeding phase at noon or later. Read this for details regarding this protocol.

6 AM: 5-15 minutes pre-workout: 10 g BCAA.
6-7 AM: Training.
8 AM: 10 g BCAA.
10 AM: 10 g BCAA
12-1 PM: The "real" post-workout meal (largest meal of the day). Start of the 8 hour feeding-window.
8-9 PM: Last meal before the fast.

For the sake of conveniency, I recommend getting BCAA in the form of powder and not tabs. Simply mix 30 g of BCAA powder in a shake and drink one third of it every other hour starting 5-15 minutes pre-workout. Tabs are cheaper, but much more of a hassle (you're going to have to pop a lot of tabs). Check my supplements guide for specific brand recommendations.


One pre-workout meal

This is the most common setup for my younger clients that are still in college or have flexible working hours.

Sample setup

12-1 PM or around lunch/noon: Pre-workout meal. Approximately 20-25% of daily total calorie intake.
3-4 PM: Training should happen a few hours after the pre-workout meal.
4-5 PM: Post-workout meal (largest meal).
8-9 PM: Last meal before the fast.


Two pre-workout meals

This is the usual protocol for people with normal working hours.

Sample setup

12-1 PM or around lunch/noon: Meal one. Approximately 20-25% of daily total calorie intake.
4-5 PM: Pre-workout meal. Roughly equal to the first meal.
8-9 PM: Post-workout meal (largest meal).


Key points

* No calories are to be ingested during the fasted phase, though coffee, calorie free sweeteners, diet soda and sugar free gum are ok (even though they might contain trace amount of calories). A tiny splash of milk in your coffee won’t affect anything either (½-1 teaspoon of milk per cup at the most - use sparingly and sensibly if you drink a lot of coffee). Neither will sugar free gum in moderation (~20 g).

* The fast is the perfect time to be productive and get things done. Don’t sit around, get bored and brood about food.

* Meal frequency during the feeding phase is irrelevant. However, most people, including me, prefer three meals.

* The majority of your daily calorie intake is consumed in the post-workout period. Depending on setup, this means that approximately 95-99% (fasted training), 80% (one pre-workout meal) or 60% (two pre-workout meals) of your daily calorie intake is consumed after training.

* The feeding window should be kept somewhat constant due to the hormonal entrainment of meal patterns. We tend to get hungry when we're used to eating and maintaining a regular pattern makes diet adherence easier. If you're used to breaking the fast at 12-2 PM and ending it at 8-10 PM, then try to maintain that pattern every day.

* On rest days, meal one should ideally be the largest meal, as opposed to training days where the post-workout meal is the largest meal. A good rule of thumb is to make meal one on rest days at least 35-40% of your daily calorie intake. This meal should be very high in protein; some of my clients consume more than 100 g of protein in this meal.

* When working with clients I am always open to compromising on the above rule. If your preference is to eat a larger meal in the evening instead of noon, or whenever you break the fast, it's no great harm. Some people prefer to save the largest meal on rest days for dinner with their family instead of having a large lunch and that's fine by me if it makes them enjoy and adhere to their diet better.

* Macronutrients and calorie intakes are always cycled through the week. The specifics depends on the client's ultimate goal: fat loss, muscle gain or bodyrecomposition. The details will be revealed in the book. Generally speaking, carbs and total calorie intake is highest on training days. On rest days, carbs are lower and fat is higher. Protein is kept high on all days.

* Here are the supplements I recommend everyone to take on a daily basis: a multivitamin, fish oil, vitamin D and extra calcium (unless dairy is consumed on a regular and daily basis).

* For fasted training, BCAA or an essential amino acid mixture is highly recommended. However, if this feels like too much micromanaging or simply questionable from an economic standpoint, you could also make due with some whey protein. The importance of protein intake prior to fasted training is outlined in this and this post.

* People sometimes ask me which protocol is best. I tend to look at things from a behavioral perspective first and foremost, so my reply to that is to choose the protocol best suited to your daily routine and training preferences. When dealing with clients I make the choice for them. If you work a 9-5 job and your only option is to train after work, training fasted is generally a bad idea and I always choose the one or two meals pre-workout protocol.

* Even from a physiological perspective, each protocol has it's own strengths and theoretical benefits. With "physiological perspective" I mean in terms of nutrient partitioning, fat loss and muscle growth. This deserves an article on it's own. I have some interesting and compelling arguments that I think are very unique.

Below I'll list some other resources that I think will give you an idea of what Leangains is all about.


Diet methodology

Calories, foods and macronutrient choices play an important role in the optimal diet. The following articles will give you an insight into my philosophy on this topic.

Scorch Through Your Fat Loss Plateau

Maintaining Low Body Fat

Intermittent Fasting, Set-Point and Leptin


Diet psychology

The right mental attitude is a crucial factor for a successful diet and training routine. This is an area that is all too often overlooked. I've explored this subject through many different perspectives.

The Secret Benefit of Being Lean

The Marshmallow Test

How to Look Awesome Every Day

How People Fail Their New Year's Resolutions


Regarding comments

Commentators often ask me if this or that is fine or how they should optimize things. I simply don't have time or energy for that any longer. Understand that a lot of factors need to be taken into consideration when determining calorie intake and macronutrient cycling; body weight, body fat, activity level, training routine, gender, insulin sensitivity and so forth. That's why I have clients - optimizing a diet plan requires time and reflection, and being a perfectionist by nature I simply can't "okay" something without having all the facts in front of me.

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Re: Eating Five Or Six Meals Each Day Speeds Up Metabolism - MYTH?
« Reply #43 on: October 12, 2011, 02:06:49 PM »
Totally agree with TA on this. though it might be easier for some people to consume protein in smaller servings if they struggle to eat alot in one sitting. Can't believe people still believe this bro science..

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Re: Eating Five Or Six Meals Each Day Speeds Up Metabolism - MYTH?
« Reply #44 on: October 12, 2011, 02:11:21 PM »
Totally agree with TA on this. though it might be easier for some people to consume protein in smaller servings if they struggle to eat alot in one sitting. Can't believe people still believe this bro science..
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Re: Eating Five Or Six Meals Each Day Speeds Up Metabolism - MYTH?
« Reply #45 on: October 12, 2011, 02:11:58 PM »
The body is very adaptable when it comes to adjusting the MR in order to function...and yes, it will increase when the pattern has been established that regular food intake is frequent...it will do exactly the opposite as well...which is why man obese people really don't eat  that much...often eating jus once or twice a day....bad food as well.  Their  metabolism has slowed down to nothing as a compensation method...and their body becomes a fat storing machine.  They have established the pattern of little coming in, and so their body has adapted to a slower MR.  Unfortunately, for many..they believe the answer is to REDUCE intake, which only enhances the problem worse....

Fat people's metabolism is actually higher than skinnier people.  There was a documentary about this on BBC where they measured individuals MR and fat people were always higher.  So this isn't exactly true, at least your reasoning behind it.  Not to mention I've never seen a fat person eat just one or two times a day.  They are usually eating constantly, snacking on shit all day long.

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Re: Eating Five Or Six Meals Each Day Speeds Up Metabolism - MYTH?
« Reply #46 on: October 12, 2011, 02:12:57 PM »
Fat people's metabolism is actually higher than skinnier people.  There was a documentary about this on BBC where they measured individuals MR and fat people were always higher.  So this isn't exactly true, at least your reasoning behind it.  Not to mention I've never seen a fat person eat just one or two times a day.  They are usually eating constantly, snacking on shit all day long.
Bro-Science never seems to die.

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« Reply #47 on: October 12, 2011, 02:14:01 PM »
Welcome to the board Mr. Sheep.

haha, cheers buddy. i've been reading this board for years just never bothered to sign up. plus i didn't want this crappy nickname but ron never approved my other nick :(

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Re: Eating Five Or Six Meals Each Day Speeds Up Metabolism - MYTH?
« Reply #48 on: October 12, 2011, 02:14:24 PM »
Totally agree with TA on this. though it might be easier for some people to consume protein in smaller servings if they struggle to eat alot in one sitting. Can't believe people still believe this bro science..
Yeah,but it`s most tons of junk food not clean food..............big difference in cals.

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Re: Eating Five Or Six Meals Each Day Speeds Up Metabolism - MYTH?
« Reply #49 on: October 12, 2011, 02:15:07 PM »
bob chick plz stop posting your dumb bro science-its quite obvious u are just a parrot repeating what youve read in flex magazine
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