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Re: Cain’s 9-9-9 Plan Would Massively Redistribute Wealth Upward
« Reply #50 on: October 13, 2011, 06:06:20 PM »

Yes, but people will save more and have more freedom over there money.   The income tax punishes prodctive people and rewards debt.    


We need to reward savers and thrift, not borrowing and debt.  I favor a national sales tax and no income tax at all.  
save more, spend less without the save more lol... back to my original point about big business not liking that much. duh...  You slam that plan home in an already hard economy... yea...

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« Reply #51 on: October 13, 2011, 06:06:57 PM »
I know it's not. I'm just pointing out that the Dems, who are pissing and moaning about this, would love nothing more than to drop a VAT on everyone. They're hypocrites through and through.

true - what I like about the sales tax vs the income tax is the freedom of it.   You basically choose how much you want to pay.  If you want to fuck the govt, spend less.

W the income tax - it's used more as a means to control behavior of people rather than revenue generation.  

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« Reply #52 on: October 13, 2011, 06:09:01 PM »
save more, spend less without the save more lol... back to my original point about big business not liking that much. duh...  You slam that plan home in an already hard economy... yea...

Everyone needs to cut back.   It's not sustainable.   We need savers in order to have a more sound banking system.   If more people saved and received interest on savings, banks could loan based on capital reserves vs the ponzi scam we have now w the federal reserve creating bullshit money out of nothing

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« Reply #53 on: October 13, 2011, 06:10:13 PM »
Another thing that makes me laugh is that the media and the left keeps going on and on about how this will increase our deficit. Have any of these douche bags ever heard of, oh I don't know, CUTTING SPENDING?

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« Reply #54 on: October 13, 2011, 06:12:30 PM »
Another thing that makes me laugh is that the media and the left keeps going on and on about how this will increase our deficit. Have any of these douche bags ever heard of, oh I don't know, CUTTING SPENDING?


The problem also is that the income tax punishes work.   Sales tax is true privacy for individuals.  The govt does not need to know your business. 

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« Reply #55 on: October 13, 2011, 06:15:53 PM »
He's in college, br0. He knows EVERYTHING. I was like that a few years ago. Only difference is that it turned out that I did indeed know everything.  :D

I don't know everything. I know very very very little. I'm a dumbass. I've said this before and you've quoted me calling myself a dumbass before. How do you go from that to now claiming that I think I know "everything"


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« Reply #56 on: October 13, 2011, 06:26:15 PM »
Cain must be spendIng a lot of time in SimCit2000.. His 9-9-9 plan matches perfectly the default tax layout  in the game.

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« Reply #57 on: October 13, 2011, 06:30:29 PM »
Cain must be spendIng a lot of time in SimCit2000.. His 9-9-9 plan matches perfectly the default tax layout  in the game.

I love the idea of a national sales tax.   No need to file an income tax return, no privacy invasion, no crimes to individuals for false returns, etc. 

But no way both income tax and sales tax together.   He'll no.  It might work from a math point of view, but too many red flags. 

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« Reply #58 on: October 13, 2011, 06:32:06 PM »
999 is a fun sales pitch. 

but i've been saying for a while, it'll never pass in congress.  maybe we end up with 6-11.5-18 or something weird like that.

but 9 9 9 is turning out to be not good for middle class swing voters.  And the fact he's so straight and honest about things actually hurts him here.

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« Reply #59 on: October 13, 2011, 06:35:01 PM »
999 is a fun sales pitch. 

but i've been saying for a while, it'll never pass in congress.  maybe we end up with 6-11.5-18 or something weird like that.

but 9 9 9 is turning out to be not good for middle class swing voters.  And the fact he's so straight and honest about things actually hurts him here.


That's because the tax code is rigged so that 50 percent pay nothing!   That's bullshit. 

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« Reply #60 on: October 13, 2011, 06:38:35 PM »

That's because the tax code is rigged so that 50 percent pay nothing!   That's bullshit. 

they pay, all right.  THey drop all their dough at Walmart for cheap plastic shit, and the WMT stock is all owned by the rich fckers who aren't paying taxes either.

system collapses with a flat tax.  that's why it isn't used anywhere really, is it?  the POOR already spend 100% of their income.  You don't HAVE to tax their shitty income...

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« Reply #61 on: October 13, 2011, 06:39:08 PM »
999 is a fun sales pitch. 

but i've been saying for a while, it'll never pass in congress.  maybe we end up with 6-11.5-18 or something weird like that.

but 9 9 9 is turning out to be not good for middle class swing voters.  And the fact he's so straight and honest about things actually hurts him here.
If Obama even said 999, you know there would be a million pages on the net overnight flipping that number upsidedown lol...

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« Reply #62 on: October 13, 2011, 06:45:43 PM »
If Obama even said 999, you know there would be a million pages on the net overnight flipping that number upsidedown lol...

god, didn't bachmann look like a dumb shit on that one-liner?

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« Reply #63 on: October 13, 2011, 06:50:03 PM »
god, didn't bachmann look like a dumb shit on that one-liner?

Yeah WTF.    She really melted down after the straw poll. 

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Re: Cain’s 9-9-9 Plan Would Massively Redistribute Wealth Upward
« Reply #64 on: October 13, 2011, 06:53:49 PM »
Cain Economic Advisor: 9-9-9 Plan to Add $2 Trillion to GDP
CNBC ^ | 10.13.11 | Michelle Fox
Posted on October 13, 2011 9:38:03 PM EDT by casablanca

Republican presidential hopeful Herman Cain’s 9-9-9 plan will add $2 trillion to U.S. GDP, as well as create 6 million jobs, his economic advisor Rich Lowrie told Larry Kudlow Thursday.

Lowrie also said under the plan, business investments will increase by one-third and wages will go up by 10 percent.

“And if you fold all that growth together,” he said, “federal revenues go up by 15 percent.”

Cain’s 9-9-9 plan would scrap the current tax code and replace it with a 9 percent tax on personal income and corporations, as well as a new 9 percent sales tax.

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« Reply #65 on: October 13, 2011, 07:09:43 PM »
Godfather of Supply-Side Economics Supports Cain's '9-9-9' Plan
Human Events ^ | 10/12/11 | Tony Lee
Posted on October 12, 2011 9:50:02 PM EDT by justsaynomore

As businessman Herman Cain surges atop state and national polls and becomes a top-tier presidential contender, his signature "9-9-9" plan, which calls for a nine percent tax on income, a nine percent national sales tax, and a nine percent corporate income tax, has come under scrutiny from the right and the left.

Famed supply-side economist Art Laffer told HUMAN EVENTS that Cain's "9-9-9" plan was a pro-growth plan that would create the proper conditions for America's economy to grow and thrive again.

"Herman Cain’s 9-9-9 plan would be a vast improvement over the current tax system and a boon to the U.S. economy," Laffer told HUMAN EVENTS in a statement. "The goal of supply-side tax reform is always a broadening of the tax base and lowering of marginal tax rates."

Added Laffer: "Mr. Cain’s plan is simple, transparent, neutral with respect to capital and labor, and savings and consumption, and also greatly decreases the hidden costs of tax compliance. There is no doubt that economic growth would surge upon implementation of 9-9-9."

Laffer also said that "such a system provides the least avenues to avoid paying taxes, yet also maintains the strongest incentives for work effort, production, and investment."

At the GOP presidential debate in New Hampshire on Tuesday, Cain's plan received criticism from many of the candidates on stage.

Former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman said that Americans needed a plan that was "doable-doable-doable" when asked his opinion on Cain's "9-9-9" plan.

Rep. Michele Bachmann (R.-Minn.) said that the "9-9-9" plan was not "a jobs plan," but was rather "a tax plan." Bachmann also complained of Congress getting another revenue stream from the plan and said, "you turn the 9-9-9 plan upside down, and the devil's in the details."

Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum said that the "9-9-9" plan was not a passable solution.

Further, Cain has been criticized from the left as well, as charges that his "9-9-9" plan is regressive have been made, charges that Cain has often refuted by citing that the payroll tax would be eliminated under his plan and used goods would not be levied sales taxes.

As Cain's profile increases and poll numbers rise, his opponents will attack him more fiercely over his "9-9-9" plan, but it looks like Cain has found an ally in Laffer, an economist who is more than respected by fiscal, pro-growth conservatives.


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Re: Cain’s 9-9-9 Plan Would Massively Redistribute Wealth Upward
« Reply #66 on: October 13, 2011, 07:14:27 PM »
Most of these guy are just tinkering. How about you get to keep everything you earned. 0% income tax, except for hotshots that always say they should be paying more, those people should be 100% taxed on everything  for being total bullshitters

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« Reply #67 on: October 13, 2011, 07:16:42 PM »
National sales tax w no income tax is the true choice for freedom. 

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« Reply #68 on: October 13, 2011, 07:23:02 PM »
National sales tax w no income tax is the true choice for freedom. 


I  would be open to this, especially when  compared to other alternatives

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« Reply #69 on: October 13, 2011, 07:24:38 PM »

I  would be open to this, especially when  compared to other alternatives

Imagine no more income tax returns, no more withholding, no more net checks, no more bs.   You get your pay and you decide what you want do with it!   

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« Reply #70 on: October 14, 2011, 05:11:57 AM »
Imagine no more income tax returns, no more withholding, no more net checks, no more bs.   You get your pay and you decide what you want do with it!  

Imagine liberal politicians going into mourning, as a result. "You mean YOU get to spend your own money instead of us.....NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!"

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« Reply #71 on: October 14, 2011, 06:00:33 AM »
they pay, all right.  THey drop all their dough at Walmart for cheap plastic shit, and the WMT stock is all owned by the rich fckers who aren't paying taxes either.

system collapses with a flat tax.  that's why it isn't used anywhere really, is it?  the POOR already spend 100% of their income.  You don't HAVE to tax their shitty income...

Stupid and wrong.

But you knew that.

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« Reply #72 on: October 14, 2011, 07:14:48 AM »
I know very very very little. I'm a dumbass.



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Re: Cain’s 9-9-9 Plan Would Massively Redistribute Wealth Upward
« Reply #73 on: October 14, 2011, 03:15:43 PM »
White republican guilt is making this guy popular. 
Abandon every hope...

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« Reply #74 on: October 14, 2011, 03:38:25 PM »
White republican guilt is making this guy popular. 
lol