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Re: Question for GH15 - is there hope for natural bbs
« Reply #75 on: October 20, 2011, 12:46:13 PM »
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seriously bro... get on some hormones and win some shows... you have a tiny waist and big ass sliced biceps and great insertion points. looks like you'd blow the fuck up on hormones. why not do it? why not spend some time in egypt for a couple of months in egypt and blow up there before a show, then go back to the states and compete so it's all legal if that's your concern?

I can't understand why you try to work so hard while leaving out the most important aspect of this retarded game?

because he already done it,, he is not injection fella this is not thickness of injections,, it is orals,, you got to unerstand the place this fella live ....and the occupation he is doing which is engeneering student or whatevr,, in orlando americana 9 out of 10 fellas that train arre hormonized,, it capital of hormones,, he also is known with web site and work in ....engeneering area phd....if he admit to anything he is done and cooked when it come to future of his choice,,you got to understand this friends,,

its more com;kicated than you think ,, still! to lie about it is not right

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Re: Question for GH15 - is there hope for natural bbs
« Reply #76 on: October 20, 2011, 12:49:34 PM »
a lot of other competitors compete in natural organizations and win... that doesn't stop them from being juiced out of their minds.
hell... most people on our saudi bb team are paying big bucks to people to teach them what to use to pass the tests... i'm sure they're all "natural"... LOL

lol i cant believ you argue with him abotu this ,, you knwo bodybuild,, this is not natural arms nor natural weight ,, no body climb to 260lb and look half decent when 5'11 lol at 220-230 natursal they already look like bacon and sausage mix,,he has some density of oral user

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Re: Question for GH15 - is there hope for natural bbs
« Reply #77 on: October 20, 2011, 12:50:37 PM »
people have no idea that they don't look good when they're all bloofy, especially in america, they just look like every construction worker ever.

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« Reply #78 on: October 20, 2011, 12:57:38 PM »
nothing to do with being bloofy ,, bloofy is actualy good,, usualy bloofy fellas have the right muscle under just hidden to soem degree by water and some fat,, the thing with bignose is lol ...he has the weight go to the right places ,, yes he has fat stomack when on heavy side but the muscle is getting the size that only ONLY synetic hormone can give ,, especialy to arbs that have very weak arms all middle eastern arms suck ,, notice what come best with him...the arms....if delt are not as cupped or as thick it doesnt mean you are not hormonized....it mean you use hormones in the right period of time,, when DIETING! to keep as much muscle as possible on you ,, notice how true natural will loze all thickness and fella who use tablets doesnt ,, they remain alive from the side view,, they have some thiciknness even though they get into the 5-6% zone ,, thats becausee they use hormones mainly tablets,,

the hormonized look of inject is when you have big traps ,, swole forarms... and thick thick delts,,, fellas on tablets can manipulate this look so they can look natural and pass as naturals,, it is very important to understand that the so call natural competitors sit on computer so long as read so much about natural balonie and how to pass as natural that they become very good in this,, to you they will say 8 meals a day and diet change everything and they leanred their body so well....reality of the matter is this

they didnt see no fuckin improvment until they went on ....fat burners,, and tablets of syntetic hormones,,

the most shady fellas arounds are the ones who call themselves naturals,, because...they are very quiet and dont share a thing,, their all life approach is like this,, relashionships too ,, they wont talk unless you ask ,, and even when you ask they will only volunteer information that is limited ,, naturals are very good in this deciving approach ,, i have trained so many and its alwyas the same ALWAYS THE SAME

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Re: Question for GH15 - is there hope for natural bbs
« Reply #79 on: October 20, 2011, 01:05:10 PM »
Oh wise god of hormona!  Can you please list for me exactly what orals you think I'm taking (aside from the M1t I already listed) at least you can give me some ideas, if I ever change my mind LOL!

You guys are underestimating yourselves!  To get up to 265 lbs I was eating 4000 to 5000 calories a day and had over a 40 inch waist! Wasn't even when I was on M1T
I felt like a bulldozer at the time but was always out of breath!!

Now 225 - 230 is a much better place for me!  215 would be even better!

Stop kidding yourselves hombre!  Gh15 may know a lot about hormona, I dunno, but he doesn't know about me and what I'm taking! :)

Gh15 this isn't a knock at you, I genuinely enjoy your posts!  But come on buddy! Lol. You're wrong here!

And come on?  I'm quiet now??? Lol

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« Reply #80 on: October 20, 2011, 01:10:31 PM »
again ,, im never wrong,, if i thoguht you were true natural i would point it and say it,, you are not ,, end of case,, you are not an injection bodybuild,, you are a tablet fella,, you are not swimming in orals every day of every week of every year,, you do your thing when needed,, trsut me on that....orlando americana you woudnt be able to get in to gymnasium for so long over there naturaly ,, you get discouraged very fast ,, it is bodybuidl capital of americana ,, its just too high competition ,, true naturals there walk 170-180 8-10% 5'10-5'11 ...rest are hormonized

and again even the true naturals lol are sadly on halodrol you can buy on amazon lol and on balonie they tried from doc they know that gave them some pills because they became bud budd with him in gymnasium ,, im telling you how it is and what i say is not up for argue ....i made fortune on so call naturals lol

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Re: Question for GH15 - is there hope for natural bbs
« Reply #81 on: October 20, 2011, 01:14:12 PM »
Why do you believe him when he says he only does orals, to me his physique seems like he should be very very skinny without hormones, he just has the bone structure of a small guy, when I look at his competition pictures it looks to me like a sophisticated cocktail of drugs is in his veins, he is much more advance than some guys who admit to using more than orals, also what do you mean it has nothing to do with bloofyness? I didn't say he didn't have no muscles, I said guys who are bloofy just don;t look good, they don't look like bodybuilders, they don't get second looks from girls when they are in a bar in florida, they look like every other bloofy ass guy

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Re: Question for GH15 - is there hope for natural bbs
« Reply #82 on: October 20, 2011, 01:17:22 PM »
he just doesnt have the thickness injection give ,, he has oral thickness,, its different,, he doesnt have the skin look of injection user ,, even water base compound give specific skin look that he doesnt have ,, this is 100% oral fella which.....is enough ,, oyu give some dianabola to fella liek this with arab fat in genetic aka family has tendency to get fat...and you feed him dianaboola and you get very big fella that is not in shape but the muscle grow ...same for m1t which is exactly oral steroid like dianabola ,,

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Re: Question for GH15 - is there hope for natural bbs
« Reply #83 on: October 20, 2011, 01:17:50 PM »
Here are some pics of some other great naturals... Let's take a poll and see how many GBers think the below guys are completely natural.  I always get a kick out these natural/not natural debates.  Not only because it really doesn't matter, but I like finding out how ignorant people are and I'm usually never surprised...

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Re: Question for GH15 - is there hope for natural bbs
« Reply #84 on: October 20, 2011, 01:20:19 PM »
BTW I don't know who any of the guys I just posted are or anything about them... They all have web sites though like Big Ach and actually that's how I found them, from links off Achs site.  These guys are all natural though right big ach?  Maybe that 1 halodrol cycle when it was legal so it doesn't count, but only that 1 time, so really they are 100% true naturals...

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Re: Question for GH15 - is there hope for natural bbs
« Reply #85 on: October 20, 2011, 01:21:05 PM »
yes but those are all on injects ,, they are severe abusers and long time users of injects and many type hormones that suit the fake natural ,, big nose is much less ,, he is trying to keep it somewhat belivable even to experienced cult members,, he is not doped like the ones you see ,, he is oral and only oral

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Re: Question for GH15 - is there hope for natural bbs
« Reply #86 on: October 20, 2011, 01:21:56 PM »
BTW I don't know who any of the guys I just posted are or anything about them... They all have web sites though like Big Ach and actually that's how I found them, from links off Achs site.  These guys are all natural though right big ach?  Maybe that 1 halodrol cycle when it was legal so it doesn't count, but only that 1 time, so really they are 100% true naturals...

halodrol to be hones twith you is better drug than winstrol lol this is how sad it is lol

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Re: Question for GH15 - is there hope for natural bbs
« Reply #87 on: October 20, 2011, 01:24:02 PM »
Here is my question: since these natural guys have such dominant genetics... OBVIOUSLY... why not jump on the hormones??

Seems to me with genetics like that, you'd probably be on the O stage in under 3 years no problem... Could probably be one of the few guys in the world to actually make a living from bodybuilding alone.  As opposed to competing in these natural divisions where you'll never get the recognition your phenomenal genetics and physiques deserve.

Wow, I think I'm going to stop juicing.  I feel like a dick now.  Really.  I feel like if I advance in bodybuilding that I'd just be stealing from these great naturals who really have the top genetics and deserve more recognition... damn...  ;D ;D ::) ::)  

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Re: Question for GH15 - is there hope for natural bbs
« Reply #88 on: October 20, 2011, 01:26:04 PM »
BigHer i actually believe I've taken more stuff than those guys, since I took m1t and they haven't.

I know all three of them very well, we've chilled many times and trained together!  They are all natural!  And all much more disciplined than me!

If it makes you feel better to say that they are juicing, do what you gotta do!  But you'll be lying to yourself!

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« Reply #89 on: October 20, 2011, 01:44:11 PM »
you got to be crazy to think this fella in the 3 picture you put are anythig remotely close to clean! not natural but clean ,, im very surprized at you bignose,, what are you lieing about if you actualy say they are natural ....thats the question ,, i always give you the benefit of doubt and of my expertize and saying you are only on orals,,,but to say those fellas which are obvious hormonizers OBVIOUS,, the skin thickness ,, the muscle quality and density ,, the weight to height ratio and the specific muscle sculp ....to say they are natural? you dont even say clean ...yo usay natural ,, if you said look they are clean for 2 weeks ....id be like ok bignose is staying within some kind of reason ,, but to say natural?

they are not clean and not natural ,, they are hormonizers who could not make it to the next level thus stuck in lower level shows called natural shows or lower level nps shows which are not qualify worthy ,,

a natural is a bodybuild who couldnt make it to the next level...as simple as that,, not because he didnt use hormones but because his respond SUCKED


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Re: Question for GH15 - is there hope for natural bbs
« Reply #90 on: October 20, 2011, 01:48:02 PM »
BigHer i actually believe I've taken more stuff than those guys, since I took m1t and they haven't.

I know all three of them very well, we've chilled many times and trained together!  They are all natural!  And all much more disciplined than me!

If it makes you feel better to say that they are juicing, do what you gotta do!  But you'll be lying to yourself!

I think it's funny that because you "chilled many times and trained together" that you know what these people do behind closed doors.  Big Ach, I respect you.  Not even being a dick.  I have never once on this board attacked someone.  You seem smart and hard working.  How naive are you though??? Do you think every person I train with knows what I use or that I know what they use???  Do you think people just walk around advertising it???  I can think of 1 consistant training partner I have who I consider a good friend that we openly share our cycles with each other, but even then, it's not like I'm there pushing the plunger down on the guys needle so although I do trust him and believe him, I would never truly know!

It must be really nice to go through life thinking everyone is open and honest about everything they do.  We all have secrets bro.  We all have vices too.  Some we share and others we keep to ourselves.  Oh and when I say ourselves, I mean fucking no one!!!  

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Re: Question for GH15 - is there hope for natural bbs
« Reply #91 on: October 20, 2011, 01:53:48 PM »
Also, I have no questions as to what people can accomplish naturally.  I've stated many times that 8 of my 10 years of training were natural.  I ake sure I get my food in and my sleep.  I'm not a partier.  I have an educationg, a good job, I work hard and live a bodybuilding lifestyle.  I also do what is necessary to advance.  I just haven't seen a reason to lie on a forum about use though.  I can understand when guys lie to protect contracts, keep their jobs, etc... but on a bodybuilding forum???  Why are you even on here if you're not going to openly talk about every aspect of bodybuilding.

I'm here for 2 reasons:

1)  to follow the bible and advance in bodybuilding.

2) entertainment.  I have 2 computer screens up at work and Getbig is always minimized on one of them and when I take breaks to eat or have a long boring conference call, I join in the fun.

That's it!  I don't see a reason to lie on here though...

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Re: Question for GH15 - is there hope for natural bbs
« Reply #92 on: October 20, 2011, 02:01:04 PM »
lol @ gh calling him bignose  ;D
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« Reply #93 on: October 20, 2011, 02:15:42 PM »
I remember GH15 once saying in one of his posts to a random thread he replied...."you're too pussy to use steroids". And I think that pretty much sums it all up, the way Gh15 thinks that is. Either use the steroids and get the ultimate alpha male physique together with your hard work at the gym, and diet. Or break your back everyday to attain half the muscle in one year that you could get in a month through steroids. I'm NOT saying anything, but probably predict the way GH15 would think about this question.

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You summed it right there!
Why keep bodybuilding a healthy fit lifestyle? What good does it do to build a fit, strong decent, drug free body?
It makes a lot more sense to turn you ass into a pin cushion and go to any means to be a freak and social outcast.
Why be healthy when you can be a real man and drug addict...yee hah!!!!!!!

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« Reply #94 on: October 20, 2011, 02:16:53 PM »
Yes I do!

I guess you already know that is IMPOSSIBLE to even lift more then the bar without a lot of drugs. ::)

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« Reply #95 on: October 20, 2011, 02:19:23 PM »
I guess you already know that is IMPOSSIBLE to even lift more then the bar without a lot of drugs. ::)

Howard, that bar is heavy!

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« Reply #96 on: October 20, 2011, 02:28:45 PM »
Howard, that bar is heavy!
LOL.
We both know from having done it drugged before and without drugs or some compromise with prohormones or whatever.
Many of the guys on here who claim they KNOW what steroids can/ can't do have never been on a real cycle I bet.
A guy like GH15 realizes that you have to take a lot of juice for maximm gains and he is correct.
I would imagine to guys like him , it seems silly to bodybuilding without drugs.

The problem with THAT thinking is that it narrows bodybuilding into a drugged up freak cult activity.
Sure, GH15 is 100% correct, if and only if you want to try and get an IFBB pro card.

Ya see Big Arch, we both know a hard working guy in the gym can make decent gains with little or no drugs.

It makes a lot more sense in the long run to bodybuild for PERSONAL reasons.
Bodybuilding without drugs can be a LOT cheaper and a lot more healthy in the long run.

I'm on prescribed androgel and close to 53 now , so I guess I'm not really 100% natural.
Ya know what, I could care less about labels and enjoy doing my own thing in the gym.
I also enjoy seing the top enhanced pros and what they bring to the stage.

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« Reply #97 on: October 20, 2011, 02:34:05 PM »
again ,, im never wrong,, if i thoguht you were true natural i would point it and say it,, you are not ,, end of case,, you are not an injection bodybuild,, you are a tablet fella,, you are not swimming in orals every day of every week of every year,, you do your thing when needed,, trsut me on that....orlando americana you woudnt be able to get in to gymnasium for so long over there naturaly ,, you get discouraged very fast ,, it is bodybuidl capital of americana ,, its just too high competition ,, true naturals there walk 170-180 8-10% 5'10-5'11 ...rest are hormonized

and again even the true naturals lol are sadly on halodrol you can buy on amazon lol and on balonie they tried from doc they know that gave them some pills because they became bud budd with him in gymnasium ,, im telling you how it is and what i say is not up for argue ....i made fortune on so call naturals lol

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I agree with  GH15, that the top bodybuilders in the world are all "juiced to the gills". No argument there.
You are correct that NOBODY can get to their maximum portential without drugs.

But it has been my experience and observation that a gifted guy who works hard can exceeed a lot of your so called natty lmits.
Doing bodybuilding with little or no drugs makes more sense for 99% of those who train.
Only the top 1% are gifted enough to ever have a  prayer of making it in the pros right?
Why go thru all the legal hassles, financial costs and health riks with massive drug use if it is going to be a hobby anyway ?

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« Reply #98 on: October 20, 2011, 02:35:16 PM »
LOL.
We both know from having done it drugged before and without drugs or some compromise with prohormones or whatever.
Many of the guys on here who claim they KNOW what steroids can/ can't do have never been on a real cycle I bet.
A guy like GH15 realizes that you have to take a lot of juice for maximm gains and he is correct.
I would imagine to guys like him , it seems silly to bodybuilding without drugs.

The problem with THAT thinking is that it narrows bodybuilding into a drugged up freak cult activity.
Sure, GH15 is 100% correct, if and only if you want to try and get an IFBB pro card.

Ya see Big Arch, we both know a hard working guy in the gym can make decent gains with little or no drugs.

It makes a lot more sense in the long run to bodybuild for PERSONAL reasons.
Bodybuilding without drugs can be a LOT cheaper and a lot more healthy in the long run.

I'm on prescribed androgel and close to 53 now , so I guess I'm not really 100% natural.
Ya know what, I could care less about labels and enjoy doing my own thing in the gym.
I also enjoy seing the top enhanced pros and what they bring to the stage.

Howard, the above is a good post.  I do have my goals set on an IFBB pro card, but what you said above is correct!

I have stated this before but I'll be clear again:

Set your goals and act accordingly!  If you want to be an IFBB pro than you need to be realistic about what that is going to take.  HOWEVER, if that's not your goal than maybe you need little to no hormones at all!  I just don't like the lying and I don't understand it.  All this "well I only take a little halodrol and you run full cycles but I look better so I must have better genetics" and blah blah ego driven bullshit!  Just set your goals.  When I used to be a personal trainer I would always ask my client first: What are your goals??  Once you have a goal you need to be proud that you are working toward a goal.  You need to be proud of the fact that you are doing whatever it takes to achieve your goal because you take pride in achieving your goals.  No reason to lie though.  If you have a goal, be realistic about what it will take to achieve that and be proud of it and stand by it!

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Re: Question for GH15 - is there hope for natural bbs
« Reply #99 on: October 20, 2011, 02:38:50 PM »
Solid post Howard and bigher!   There are many reasons why I chose not to use drugs, the legal aspect is just one part of it.

I've been lifting for about ten years and have been good friends with guys that have openly shared their cycle with me and guys that haven't!  To each their own, and I don't care and don't judge!

I come on here for entertainment and I've never lied here!

My goals are to get as big as I possibly can without drugs, thats all, no ifbb pro card or anything remotely close for me!