Author Topic: Question for GH15 - is there hope for natural bbs (Read 56610 times)

BiGHer · « **Reply #100 on:** October 20, 2011, 02:40:44 PM »

Quote from: Howard on October 20, 2011, 02:34:05 PM

I agree with GH15, that the top bodybuilders in the world are all "juiced to the gills". No argument there.
You are correct that NOBODY can get to their maximum portential without drugs.

But it has been my experience and observation that a gifted guy who works hard can exceeed a lot of your so called natty lmits.
Doing bodybuilding with little or no drugs makes more sense for 99% of those who train.
Only the top 1% are gifted enough to ever have a prayer of making it in the pros right?
Why go thru all the legal hassles, financial costs and health riks with massive drug use if it is going to be a hobby anyway ?

OK... My only issue here is that even if there is a gifted guy who can exceed gh15's natural limits, those gifted people are rare! Problem is, most people don't want to admit that they're not one of those gifted people and that hormones are probably needed to achieve the goals and look they want to achieve physically.

It's also a matter of what kind of life you want to have. gh15 has made it clear on several occasions that drugs assist in making you be able to live a normal life at times while bodybuilding. You can eat normal foods at times, go out with a girl, and not have to worry about you're condition and look being totally fucked because the hormones are there to help with that. It allows you to bodybuild and maintain somewhat of a normal lifestyle... if you consider sticking hormones in yourself normal and are OK with that of course.

steveTren · « **Reply #101 on:** October 20, 2011, 02:50:39 PM »

Quote from: BiGHer on October 20, 2011, 01:17:50 PM

Here are some pics of some other great naturals... Let's take a poll and see how many GBers think the below guys are completely natural. I always get a kick out these natural/not natural debates. Not only because it really doesn't matter, but I like finding out how ignorant people are and I'm usually never surprised...

Third guy is christian bale ? lol

supernick · « **Reply #102 on:** October 20, 2011, 03:54:47 PM »

Quote from: gh15 on October 20, 2011, 01:10:31 PM

again ,, im never wrong,, if i thoguht you were true natural i would point it and say it,, you are not ,, end of case,, you are not an injection bodybuild,, you are a tablet fella,, you are not swimming in orals every day of every week of every year,, you do your thing when needed,, trsut me on that....orlando americana you woudnt be able to get in to gymnasium for so long over there naturaly ,, you get discouraged very fast ,, it is bodybuidl capital of americana ,, its just too high competition ,, true naturals there walk 170-180 8-10% 5'10-5'11 ...rest are hormonized

and again even the true naturals lol are sadly on halodrol you can buy on amazon lol and on balonie they tried from doc they know that gave them some pills because they became bud budd with him in gymnasium ,, im telling you how it is and what i say is not up for argue ....i made fortune on so call naturals lol

gh15 approved

What is this halodrol u speak of on amazon is it like a dbol nock off

BIG ACH · « **Reply #103 on:** October 20, 2011, 04:46:01 PM »

Quote from: supernick on October 20, 2011, 03:54:47 PM

What is this halodrol u speak of on amazon is it like a dbol nock off

Was a pro-hormone/steroid by Gaspari Nutrition (never tried it, but I wish I did) apparently the original one was VERY potent... They eventually got busted and had to change the formula, you can still find it on amazon and even in stores, but most likely its not the original one, when they changed it and re-released it, it didn't work anymore!

dyslexic · « **Reply #104 on:** October 20, 2011, 09:00:12 PM »

Why backwards? Look at my name

(or maybe I just copy/pasted)

46. Natural Bodybuilding
45. Act naturally
44. Found missing
43. Resident alien
42. Advanced BASIC
41. Genuine imitation
40. Airline Food
39. Good grief
38. Same difference
37. Almost exactly
36. Government organization
35. Sanitary landfill
34. Alone together
33. Legally drunk
32. Silent scream
31. Living dead
30. Small crowd
29. Business ethics
28. Soft rock
27. Butt Head
26. Military Intelligence
25. Software documentation
24. New classic
23. Sweet sorrow
22. Childproof
21. “Now, then …”
20. Synthetic natural gas
19. Passive aggression
18. Taped live
17. Clearly misunderstood
16. Peace force
15. Extinct Life
14. Temporary tax increase
13. Computer jock
12. Plastic glasses
11. Terribly pleased
10. Computer security
9. Political science
8. Tight slacks
7. Definite maybe
6. Pretty ugly
5. Twelve-ounce pound cake
4. Diet ice cream
3. Working vacation
2. Exact estimate
1. Microsoft Works

DK II · « **Reply #105 on:** October 21, 2011, 12:16:57 AM »

Quote from: BIG ACH on October 20, 2011, 01:26:04 PM

BigHer i actually believe I've taken more stuff than those guys, since I took m1t and they haven't.

I know all three of them very well, we've chilled many times and trained together! They are all natural! And all much more disciplined than me!

If it makes you feel better to say that they are juicing, do what you gotta do! But you'll be lying to yourself!

LMFAO!!!!

buselmo · « **Reply #106 on:** October 21, 2011, 01:33:40 AM »

natural my stinking hairy arab ass! those guys aren't even close. fucking bullshit.
a7mad... you're natural... well... clean... since M1t was the strongest shit i've ever done and i've only taken 20 mg for 4 weeks (i've been up to 2 grams of test and 100 mg dbol a day... not even close to what M1t was doing to me at 20 mg)... people here don't realize that when you've dieted down, you look as skinny as hell, your neck looks like you were a POW for 10 years... the only thing going for you is a disproportionally big bicep, good muscle insertion points, and thin skin (typical of egyptians)...
saw a pic of you after your contest wearing a t-shirt and eating pizza i think.... you looked like a marathon runner. don't see the big fuss on you... i'm impressed with your shape and how you get lean, but impressed in a sense of "if he went on the juice, he'd be something else!... too bad the guy is a dumbass (no offence, but i truly think that)" ... if you ever heard of a guy saving up $500K during 30 years, being cheap on everything and everyone he knows and not buying shit, suffering... because he wanted to buy a house... now, he bought the house... the house is apiece of shit but cost him 500K and he got robbed... what would you think of him??? "he has his own point of view?" fuck no, he's an idiot.... now the dude that buys shit he wants whenever he wants, saves up enough to pay for a 20 year 200K mortgage on a great house, and gets to enjoy life.... he didn't work harder, he was smarter and got better results and enjoyed life more... get the analogy?

now, all the pics in the previous posts of naturals??? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL .... natural means 5'10 165 lbs looking great, sliced, shredded, but he has 14 inch arms... might look like 18 inch due to shape... and so on.... those guys are the exact opposite... their genetics are so shitty, that 18 inch arms look 14 inches, shitty insertion points, and are something like 5'9 187-198 lbs or more! give me a fucking break!!!!
these guys aren't genetically superior, and hard working with years of experience... it's the exact opposite!!!! they are genetically fucked in their response to gear and response to training and diet, they have to use steroids to compensate and just to look normal, then overload to look a bit better than naturals and call them selves "gifted" or hard working... LOOOOOOL... how do i know? seen it many times where i'm from... when gear is legal, and people have shitty genetics, they start coming to the guy who is open about his use and kinda understand how the shit works... you won't beleive what these idiots are doing.... and then they go and run their mouths in front of the big boys and say "well i'm natural and you just shove all those hormones up your ass, loser! atleast i work hard!" LOOOOOOL

YngiweRhoads · « **Reply #107 on:** October 21, 2011, 03:01:20 AM »

Quote from: Howard on October 20, 2011, 02:34:05 PM

But it has been my experience and observation that a gifted guy who works hard can exceeed a lot of your so called natty lmits.

As I have and I'm not the most genetically gifted. I'm just persistent.

He needs to stick to giving the junkies advice.

Jaime · « **Reply #108 on:** October 21, 2011, 05:18:36 AM »

Buselmo bringing fifty types of awesome to this thread lol

Couldnt agree more bro.

Krankenstein · « **Reply #109 on:** October 21, 2011, 05:54:40 AM »

Quote from: gh15 on October 20, 2011, 01:10:31 PM

again ,, im never wrong,, if i thoguht you were true natural i would point it and say it,, you are not ,, end of case,, you are not an injection bodybuild,, you are a tablet fella,, you are not swimming in orals every day of every week of every year,, you do your thing when needed,, trsut me on that....orlando americana you woudnt be able to get in to gymnasium for so long over there naturaly ,, you get discouraged very fast ,, it is bodybuidl capital of americana ,, its just too high competition ,, true naturals there walk 170-180 8-10% 5'10-5'11 ...rest are hormonized

and again even the true naturals lol are sadly on halodrol you can buy on amazon lol and on balonie they tried from doc they know that gave them some pills because they became bud budd with him in gymnasium ,, im telling you how it is and what i say is not up for argue ....i made fortune on so call naturals lol

gh15 approved

You fucking twat.....you probably wouldn't be 160lbs soaking wet if you weren't taking anything. You know jack shit about training without drugs....you may know hormones...but thats it. You have no fucking clue whatsoever IF someone takes, WHAT they take, and HOW often.

Tell everyone how much G4P you have done. Let everyone see that their "god" is just another low life drug abuser. How long does it take to cry yourself to sleep at night knowing that what lies in the syringe and tablets is the only thing you live for.

BIG ACH · « **Reply #110 on:** October 21, 2011, 06:00:37 AM »

Quote from: buselmo on October 21, 2011, 01:33:40 AM

natural my stinking hairy arab ass! those guys aren't even close. fucking bullshit.
a7mad... you're natural... well... clean... since M1t was the strongest shit i've ever done and i've only taken 20 mg for 4 weeks (i've been up to 2 grams of test and 100 mg dbol a day... not even close to what M1t was doing to me at 20 mg)... people here don't realize that when you've dieted down, you look as skinny as hell, your neck looks like you were a POW for 10 years... the only thing going for you is a disproportionally big bicep, good muscle insertion points, and thin skin (typical of egyptians)...
saw a pic of you after your contest wearing a t-shirt and eating pizza i think.... you looked like a marathon runner. don't see the big fuss on you... i'm impressed with your shape and how you get lean, but impressed in a sense of "if he went on the juice, he'd be something else!... too bad the guy is a dumbass (no offence, but i truly think that)" ... if you ever heard of a guy saving up $500K during 30 years, being cheap on everything and everyone he knows and not buying shit, suffering... because he wanted to buy a house... now, he bought the house... the house is apiece of shit but cost him 500K and he got robbed... what would you think of him??? "he has his own point of view?" fuck no, he's an idiot.... now the dude that buys shit he wants whenever he wants, saves up enough to pay for a 20 year 200K mortgage on a great house, and gets to enjoy life.... he didn't work harder, he was smarter and got better results and enjoyed life more... get the analogy?

now, all the pics in the previous posts of naturals??? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL .... natural means 5'10 165 lbs looking great, sliced, shredded, but he has 14 inch arms... might look like 18 inch due to shape... and so on.... those guys are the exact opposite... their genetics are so shitty, that 18 inch arms look 14 inches, shitty insertion points, and are something like 5'9 187-198 lbs or more! give me a fucking break!!!!
these guys aren't genetically superior, and hard working with years of experience... it's the exact opposite!!!! they are genetically fucked in their response to gear and response to training and diet, they have to use steroids to compensate and just to look normal, then overload to look a bit better than naturals and call them selves "gifted" or hard working... LOOOOOOL... how do i know? seen it many times where i'm from... when gear is legal, and people have shitty genetics, they start coming to the guy who is open about his use and kinda understand how the shit works... you won't beleive what these idiots are doing.... and then they go and run their mouths in front of the big boys and say "well i'm natural and you just shove all those hormones up your ass, loser! atleast i work hard!" LOOOOOOL

Look - I'm telling you what I believe... call me Naive or whatever you want... but I do believe they are natural. I obviously can't say that I know for SURE that they (or anyone else) are 100% drug free, because I don't live with them and see their lives 24/7, but I DO believe them.

Just because someone has achieved something that you have been unable to, doesn't mean its not possible!

ChristopherA · « **Reply #111 on:** October 21, 2011, 06:12:11 AM »

Quote from: Krankenstein on October 21, 2011, 05:54:40 AM

You fucking twat.....you probably wouldn't be 160lbs soaking wet if you weren't taking anything. You know jack shit about training without drugs....you may know hormones...but thats it. You have no fucking clue whatsoever IF someone takes, WHAT they take, and HOW often.

Tell everyone how much G4P you have done. Let everyone see that their "god" is just another low life drug abuser. How long does it take to cry yourself to sleep at night knowing that what lies in the syringe and tablets is the only thing you live for.

Hey dont you know you're talking to "GOD"?!

I get a kick out of hearing the cycles the pro's take on there way to early graves but the GH15 ball gargling is reaching epic proportions around here. I like your style Krank (no homo)

DK II · « **Reply #112 on:** October 21, 2011, 06:17:33 AM »

Quote from: BigBuehl on October 21, 2011, 06:12:11 AM

Hey dont you know you're talking to "GOD"?! I get a kick out of hearing the cycles the pro's take on there way to early graves but the GH15 ball gargling is reaching epic proportions around here. I like your style Krank (no homo)

You two lovebirds should get a room.

ChristopherA · « **Reply #113 on:** October 21, 2011, 06:23:25 AM »

Quote from: DK II on October 21, 2011, 06:17:33 AM

You two lovebirds should get a room.

I think GH is pretty funny and def respect what he's doing. It's the newbs coming on here and blowing him that annoys me. Clogging up the board with "whats my bf%" threads

Cutlet767 · « **Reply #114 on:** October 21, 2011, 06:25:06 AM »

Quote from: BIG ACH on October 21, 2011, 06:00:37 AM

Look - I'm telling you what I believe... call me Naive or whatever you want... but I do believe they are natural. I obviously can't say that I know for SURE that they (or anyone else) are 100% drug free, because I don't live with them and see their lives 24/7, but I DO believe them.

Just because someone has achieved something that you have been unable to, doesn't mean its not possible!

All drugs

m8 · « **Reply #115 on:** October 21, 2011, 06:28:28 AM »

ChristopherA · « **Reply #116 on:** October 21, 2011, 06:32:58 AM »

I freely admit I used to be delusional about "natural" training when I was younger too. GH15 could have saved me a shit load of money on garbage supplements. But I did pay my dues in the gym and to my benefit I dont need to be geared up to tear up the gym. When I have to read a PM from some 18yr old clown getting on his first cycle and he starts his question with "God of hormones what do you think blah blah blah..." it makes me sick. Juice at 18? If you need gear at 18 just quit before you start

BIG ACH · « **Reply #117 on:** October 21, 2011, 06:42:07 AM »

Quote from: makaveli25 on October 21, 2011, 06:22:56 AM

There's a ton of good pro steroids still on the market Big Ache Iron mag labs has a bunch of really good ones. Some are more powerful than dbol.

Checking out the site. but you know how many times I've heard that "this prohormone is better than dbol!"

The only reason I started taking m1t was because I was seeing drug users talking about how effective it is!

ChristopherA · « **Reply #118 on:** October 21, 2011, 06:55:44 AM »

Quote from: BiGHer on October 20, 2011, 01:24:02 PM

Here is my question: since these natural guys have such dominant genetics... OBVIOUSLY... why not jump on the hormones??
Seems to me with genetics like that, you'd probably be on the O stage in under 3 years no problem... Could probably be one of the few guys in the world to actually make a living from bodybuilding alone. As opposed to competing in these natural divisions where you'll never get the recognition your phenomenal genetics and physiques deserve.

Wow, I think I'm going to stop juicing. I feel like a dick now. Really. I feel like if I advance in bodybuilding that I'd just be stealing from these great naturals who really have the top genetics and deserve more recognition... damn...

Fucking post of the year!! With the passion these guys obviously have for bb, they wouldnt take their tier 1 genetics to the next level with gear? Gimme a break. Their genetics and response to gear sucks and thats why they are lying their asses off winning natty shows. I def think my genetics are above avg and after 6yrs lifting natural, the next step was obvious

WillGrant · « **Reply #119 on:** October 21, 2011, 07:05:20 AM »

Quote from: YngiweRhoads on October 21, 2011, 03:01:20 AM

As I have and I'm not the most genetically gifted. I'm just persistent.

He needs to stick to giving the junkies advice.

are you big and lean or big and fat ? theres a huge diference here

dj181 · « **Reply #120 on:** October 21, 2011, 07:28:49 AM »

Quote from: WillGrant on October 21, 2011, 07:05:20 AM

are you big and lean or big and fat ? theres a huge diference here

Y's got a top notch physique on him.

dj approved

BTW, this fella here in this pic has been giving me nightmares recently lol

His stats here are 181cm @ 84kg, so there is a slim chance that maybe, just maybe he is a lifetime natty, and IMO he's got the perfect physique on him

Jaime · « **Reply #121 on:** October 21, 2011, 07:33:21 AM »

Quote from: makaveli25 on October 21, 2011, 06:22:56 AM

There's a ton of good pro steroids still on the market Big Ache Iron mag labs has a bunch of really good ones. Some are more powerful than dbol.

He knows this Mak. Lolz at there only ever being one decent prohormone according to Ach.

Radical Plato · « **Reply #122 on:** October 21, 2011, 07:34:52 AM »

Is this dude Natural - I say not - definite diuretic use

ChristopherA · « **Reply #123 on:** October 21, 2011, 07:37:14 AM »

Quote from: E-Kul on October 21, 2011, 07:34:52 AM

Is this dude Natural - I say not - definite diuretic use

Tren condition all the way

WillGrant · « **Reply #124 on:** October 21, 2011, 07:45:22 AM »

Quote from: dj181 on October 21, 2011, 07:28:49 AM

Y's got a top notch physique on him.

dj approved

BTW, this fella here in this pic has been giving me nightmares recently lol

His stats here are 181cm @ 84kg, so there is a slim chance that maybe, just maybe he is a lifetime natty, and IMO he's got the perfect physique on him

Dude his weight is meaningless, the weights/height ratios gh15 gives us are for the genetic elite nattys - that guy right there is enhanced , an AAS muscle has a look to it and this guy screams I jab my ass with lots of pricks (and needles)