Steve Jobs lectured Obama on his policies before dying.

[tonymctones]

Steve Jobs may have been a genius at computers but he was way too self absorbed into himself.  Instead of taking his doctors advice when he was first diagnosed with cancer, he did a bunch of alternative medicine, cleansing juices, herbs and shit instead of using conventional medicine.  


Being a billionaire doesn't mean you have common sense.  If he listened to his doctors instead of hugging trees and shit, he might have lived quite a bit longer  


BTW, I import most of my fitness products from China for the most part so that's how I know.    

What the fuck does any of the shit you just spewed forth have to do with my post?

you think that the reason that apple produces their shit in china is b/c of cheap labor. THE FACT of the matter is that its simply cheaper to build shit in china and labor is a representation of that.

REGULATIONS, of which Jobs lectured obama on cause the price of manufacturing here in the US to be higher.

It doesnt matter why its cheaper or more expensive for a company to manufacture goods in a certain country...THE COMPANY IS GOING TO MANUFACTURE THEIR GOOD IN THE COUNTRY THATS THE CHEAPEST TO DO SO...

thats the point you moron, and THATS THE POINT JOBS WAS MAKING TO OBAMMERS...

welcome to business 101 brain child, businesses do what makes their margins better.

[tu_holmes]

why is it stupid?  I just talked about why it is stupid and then you ask why it's stupid?  lol.. that's stupid...  Did I not talk about how this does not prepare them for life on their own?  How many opening positions do you know of that come with a 3 month vacation?  Did I not talk about how they forget shit over that long of a break?  Don't freaking ask me why it is stupid when I addressed why it is stupid.

a 3 month break is nothing but slacker training.

No, you didn't talk about "why it's stupid".

You said it was stupid after talking about college kids being different even though they are the ones who should be prepping for "the real world" as you put it.

You said it was stupid after saying that it makes no sense for city kids, but that does not on any level really discuss why it's stupid.

Also, you do not answer my point about you having your summers off. Do you think you would be better off today if you had studied throughout the summer?

I think it's funny how in this instance, we revise what would be good for others after we've already gone through it.

I enjoyed my summers IMMENSELY, and I consider my life a resounding success when it comes to career.

So forgive me if this hypothetical "better way" doesn't really make much of a dent on how I feel things really work.

People succeed if they want to... period. As a kid, 3 months off in the summers are certainly not going to change that.

18 year olds are still teenagers... they are "kids".

[Emmortal]

I spent most of my time after school in a shady pool hall with friends. We didnt get into a lot of shit b/c we were all pretty much good kids but I did drugs and drank etc. If I was in school I wouldnt have done this b/c when I got out at 6 my parents would be home and they would expect me home...

My parent gave a shit about me and my brother and my brother got into tons of shit when he was younger...

parents giving a shit isnt always enough my man.

And you are equating your experience to others, which isn't wise either.  News flash: kids will always do stupid shit, they will do pretty much everything their parents tell them they shouldn't do, because they are kids.  Strong moral values and good parenting will always be the determining factor in how high of a percentage kids will make it through those stages.  Sometimes, as you say, good parenting isn't enough, but the answer to that isn't a nanny state of government controlled day care for those individuals who are destined to be doomed.  Some people, no matter what you do to help them will always end up in the shitter.  An extended stay at school isn't going to thwart that.

I did all the same things you did, drank, did drugs, partied like a retard when I should have been studying, but I think you and I both turned out ok.  Others will have widely different experiences, but again, making them sit in school for 10 hours a day isn't going to help that.

[tonymctones]

And you are equating your experience to others, which isn't wise either.  News flash: kids will always do stupid shit, they will do pretty much everything their parents tell them they shouldn't do, because they are kids.  Strong moral values and good parenting will always be the determining factor in how high of a percentage kids will make it through those stages.  Sometimes, as you say, good parenting isn't enough, but the answer to that isn't a nanny state of government controlled day care for those individuals who are destined to be doomed.  Some people, no matter what you do to help them will always end up in the shitter.  An extended stay at school isn't going to thwart that.

I did all the same things you did, drank, did drugs, partied like a retard when I should have been studying, but I think you and I both turned out ok.  Others will have widely different experiences, but again, making them sit in school for 10 hours a day isn't going to help that.

I was making the point that i had an opposite experience to yours, so if youre basing your opinion off of your experience then mine would negate it...

not arguing that it will save everyone but it will prevent ppl like you and me from doing the things we did after school. I agree we turned out just fine but then again I know kids and Im sure you do as well that were very bright and just fucked up. This will prevent some of those kids from making those stupid decisions.

I also think it would help the education of the current crop of kids we have.

[George Whorewell]

What the fuck does any of the shit you just spewed forth have to do with my post?

you think that the reason that apple produces their shit in china is b/c of cheap labor. THE FACT of the matter is that its simply cheaper to build shit in china and labor is a representation of that.

REGULATIONS, of which Jobs lectured obama on cause the price of manufacturing here in the US to be higher.

It doesnt matter why its cheaper or more expensive for a company to manufacture goods in a certain country...THE COMPANY IS GOING TO MANUFACTURE THEIR GOOD IN THE COUNTRY THATS THE CHEAPEST TO DO SO...

thats the point you moron, and THATS THE POINT JOBS WAS MAKING TO OBAMMERS...

welcome to business 101 brain child, businesses do what makes their margins better.

STOP! STOP! STOP USING YOUR RACIST LOGIC AND YOUR IMPERIALIST COMMON SENSE!

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Fact of the matter is that Steve Jobs only knew how to run a computer company...not run a country.  For the most part, he was a very ruthless CEO who didn't care for holidays, donations, etc. 

[dario73]

Fact of the matter is that Steve Jobs only knew how to run a computer company...not run a country.  For the most part, he was a very ruthless CEO who didn't care for holidays, donations, etc. 

Obama has never known what it's like to run a company or a country. So what's your point?

Jobs was speaking of basic economic concepts which have been proven to be true.

[Fury]

Fact of the matter is that Steve Jobs only knew how to run a computer company...not run a country.  For the most part, he was a very ruthless CEO who didn't care for holidays, donations, etc. 

And Obama can?

$15 trillion in debt and 9.1% unemployment says he hasn't the faintest fucking idea what he's doing.

[tonymctones]

Fact of the matter is that Steve Jobs only knew how to run a computer company...not run a country.  For the most part, he was a very ruthless CEO who didn't care for holidays, donations, etc.  

again vince, WHAT THE FUCK DOES ANY OF THIS SHIT HAVE TO DO WITH MY POST?

so Jobs was a bad person to work for, that doesnt disprove his point and prove your idiocy...

FACT is if a company has a cheaper alternative they will take that alternative.

One of the ways we can make the alternative of producing things in the US more attractive is to make it more cost effective to produce things in the US.

One of the ways we can do that is by reducing the amount of regulation of which the companies haves to spend to adhere to regulations.

WHAT PART OF THIS DO YOU DISAGREE WITH?

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

again vince, WHAT THE FUCK DOES ANY OF THIS SHIT HAVE TO DO WITH MY POST?

so Jobs was a bad person to work for, that doesnt disprove his point and prove your idiocy...

FACT is if a company has a cheaper alternative they will take that alternative.

One of the ways we can make the alternative of producing things in the US more attractive is to make it more cost effective to produce things in the US.

One of the ways we can do that is by reducing the amount of regulation of which the companies haves to spend to adhere to regulations.

WHAT PART OF THIS DO YOU DISAGREE WITH?

Apple produces products in China because of cheap labor.  The U.S can eliminate all of its regulations and Apple would still produce products in China

[loco]

BTW, I import most of my fitness products from China for the most part so that's how I know.   

Thanks for letting us know that your fitness products are toxic and radioactive!

[tonymctones]

Apple produces products in China because of cheap labor.  The U.S can eliminate all of its regulations and Apple would still produce products in China

not at all you jack ass, apple and every company manufactures shit in china b/c its plain cheaper. Labor is simply a part of that, regulations are another huge part...

If we make it more economical for them to stay in the US by limiting harsh regulations and giving them incentives to stay like tax breaks etc then they will manufacture in the US.

Plenty of ways to make it cheaper to stay here then to go abroad.

What do your margins look like vince?

just curious they must be great b/c you have little to no business sense and I really dont see you surviving on small margins.

[quadzilla456]

No but with chemotherapy, you can greatly prolong your life.  He could have lived another 10-20 years.

BS. The chances of surviving 10-20 years with pancreatic cancer is 0%. Btw, I have a relative that died from cancer and the doctor's told her she would most likely have died within 10 years from the Chemotherapy itself. It is very harsh on the body. So the chemotherapy alone would have made it very difficult for Jobs to live 20 years.

"Pancreatic cancer is the fourth most common cause of cancer death across the globe.[1] Pancreatic cancer often has a poor prognosis: for all stages combined, the 1- and 5-year relative survival rates are 25% and 6%, respectively;[2] for local disease the 5-year survival is approximately 20%[2][3] while the median survival for locally advanced and for metastatic disease, which collectively represent over 80% of individuals,[3] is about 10 and 6 months respectively.[4]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancreatic_cancer

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

not at all you jack ass, apple and every company manufactures shit in china b/c its plain cheaper. Labor is simply a part of that, regulations are another huge part...

If we make it more economical for them to stay in the US by limiting harsh regulations and giving them incentives to stay like tax breaks etc then they will manufacture in the US.

Plenty of ways to make it cheaper to stay here then to go abroad.

What do your margins look like vince?

just curious they must be great b/c you have little to no business sense and I really dont see you surviving on small margins.

My margins are 30-58% presently

[tonymctones]

My margins are 30-58% presently

LOL not on individual products or services vince on your business as a whole...

what is your gross and net margin for your business.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

LOL not on individual products or services vince on your business as a whole...

what is your gross and net margin for your business.

Won't have that until the end of the year.

[tonymctones]

Won't have that until the end of the year.

youve only been in business for less than a year?

what was it last year...

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

youve only been in business for less than a year?

what was it last year...

Been in business going on 11 years in January.  But I only compile gross and net margins at the end of the year because a large portion of sales are done on Net60 terms

[tonymctones]

Been in business going on 11 years in January.  But I only compile gross and net margins at the end of the year because a large portion of sales are done on Net60 terms

right, so seeing as it has been ongoing for 11 years now. This cant be the first time youre ever going to put an income statement together....

so what where your gross and net margins last year?

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

right, so seeing as it has been ongoing for 11 years now. This cant be the first time youre ever going to put an income statement together....

so what where your gross and net margins last year?

Gross - 374k
Margin 22%

[tonymctones]

Gross - 374k
Margin 22%

and your net profit margin?