Author Topic: GH15 - Use good sense and caution with his 'advice'  (Read 109531 times)

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Re: despite of gh15's teachings, u will still pretend this guy is natural
« Reply #625 on: November 19, 2011, 09:44:43 AM »

Thats sad bro. Your hormone levels are high at that age. Why would you be screwing with gear? :-\

I never used hormones and that's why I am still 84-86kg bodyweight



anyway gh15 said you preferebly need to be on roids before my age if you want to achieve great size

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Re: despite of gh15's teachings, u will still pretend this guy is natural
« Reply #626 on: November 19, 2011, 10:06:38 AM »
Who knows if he is natural of not but that physique is certainly attainable naturally by some.

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Re: despite of gh15's teachings, u will still pretend this guy is natural
« Reply #627 on: November 19, 2011, 10:10:41 AM »
I never used hormones and that's why I am still 84-86kg bodyweight



anyway gh15 said you preferebly need to be on roids before my age if you want to achieve great size


Props to you man. And dont limit your thinking to wht others say. Figure a way around it and youll succeed. At least your gains are real and wont roller coaster up and down for life like gearheads. Mentally its a prison for them...going up in size and down in size. :-\

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Re: despite of gh15's teachings, u will still pretend this guy is natural
« Reply #628 on: November 19, 2011, 10:23:51 AM »
it's a well established fact that high reps and body part splits don't work for natural lifters




well established fact? doesn't look like it, merely conjecture on bodybuilding.com forums i bet

my best natural gains were this way btw, so i will have to completely and politely disagree

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Re: despite of gh15's teachings, u will still pretend this guy is natural
« Reply #629 on: November 19, 2011, 10:23:51 AM »

Props to you man. And dont limit your thinking to wht others say. Figure a way around it and youll succeed. At least your gains are real and wont roller coaster up and down for life like gearheads. Mentally its a prison for them...going up in size and down in size. :-\

thanks, but I get soooooooooooooooo damn angry when I see lying roiders claim good genetics, hard work and dedication


they will imply you don't work hard or have not been doing it long and your genetics suck


i just want to put a gun to their head and pull the trigger sometimes

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Re: despite of gh15's teachings, u will still pretend this guy is natural
« Reply #630 on: November 19, 2011, 10:25:32 AM »
well established fact? doesn't look like it, merely conjecture on bodybuilding.com forums i bet

my best natural gains were this way btw, so i will have to completely and politely disagree

bodybuilding.com doesn't care about bodybuilding at all

but yes several forums have long time naturals telling you the same thing, that bodypart splits are typically shit


good it worked for you anyway

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Re: despite of gh15's teachings, u will still pretend this guy is natural
« Reply #631 on: November 19, 2011, 10:29:49 AM »
Bodypart splits work for size.

However for strength trianing 'movements' rather than bodyparts works best I think.

I got strong doing a 5x week workout where I picked about 6 exercises and done 2 sets everyday I felt recovered except deadlifts and squats. I done a bastardised smolov and singles for deadlifts every day

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Re: despite of gh15's teachings, u will still pretend this guy is natural
« Reply #632 on: November 19, 2011, 10:34:11 AM »
those arms are nowhere near 20 inches, they look maybe 17 and im being generous there, i can easily believe this guy is natural, not very big and not very cut, looks decent but nothing youd even take a second look at with his shirt off.

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Re: despite of gh15's teachings, u will still pretend this guy is natural
« Reply #633 on: November 19, 2011, 10:35:10 AM »
i'm failing to see how bodypart splits would be inferior to compound exercises for a natural? there's no real logic behind such a claim. being natural means you have lower nitrogen retention, lower protein turnover, etc... it just means your ability to add muscle is severely diminished compared to a steroid user. steroids are completely independent to what type of stimuli are required to cause muscle growth, the only way that argument can hold any water is if someone is making the claim that by isolating certain body parts and doing high reps you will be overtraining, which i have found to be the exact opposite. infact, i needed to train significantly harder while natural to cause any noticeable amount of muscle growth and i never overtrained when natural even when working out twice a day 6 days a week.

your muscle building ability when natural is capped at a very low level, it doesn't matter what type of training you do it will be the same either way provided you caused enough micro-fiber trauma when diet and recovery are sufficient. going heavy will increase the numbers on your lifts, yes, sure, because you are also increasing your motor-neural efficiency and training your cns to fire muscle motor neurons more effectively, but as i have already stated, you aren't actually adding more muscle this way just because your lift numbers are going up.

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Re: despite of gh15's teachings, u will still pretend this guy is natural
« Reply #634 on: November 19, 2011, 10:55:32 AM »
Bodypart splits work for size.

However for strength trianing 'movements' rather than bodyparts works best I think.

I got strong doing a 5x week workout where I picked about 6 exercises and done 2 sets everyday I felt recovered except deadlifts and squats. I done a bastardised smolov and singles for deadlifts every day

a really really big guy on bodybuilding.com who was running low dose test 250mg/week after training naturally for 15 years said that the reasons high rep splits dont work for the average natural twink is because the weight they can handle for these reps simply are not enough tension for muscular adaptation



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Re: despite of gh15's teachings, u will still pretend this guy is natural
« Reply #635 on: November 19, 2011, 10:59:23 AM »
a really really big guy on bodybuilding.com who was running low dose test 250mg/week after training naturally for 15 years said that the reasons high rep splits dont work for the average natural twink is because the weight they can handle for these reps simply are not enough tension for muscular adaptation




Hmmm.  If fiber contraction is needed then negatives would be the way to recruit maximum. Its really a matter of traing just enough and resting just enough to maximize your potential...this takes years to develop tho so enjoy the journey.

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Re: despite of gh15's teachings, u will still pretend this guy is natural
« Reply #636 on: November 19, 2011, 11:00:57 AM »
Not that I really care,but it just might be that he trains balls to the wall,does cardio religously,eats right,gets enough sleep/rest,and is dedicated to a bodybuilding lifestyle.

Some guys just lift and eat a lot,others "train",and eat perfectly for their goals.

Looks like a big natural guy.

Just because gh15 said 185 lbs. is the limit  for a natty,or some dumb shit, doesn`t make it true in every case.....too many variables just some of which I listed above.

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Re: despite of gh15's teachings, u will still pretend this guy is natural
« Reply #637 on: November 19, 2011, 11:03:15 AM »
I don't care what gh15 says, I believe this guy is natural. I mean, his physique is attainable drug free, if he got it like that or not we can't know.

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Re: despite of gh15's teachings, u will still pretend this guy is natural
« Reply #638 on: November 19, 2011, 11:05:09 AM »
a really really big guy on bodybuilding.com who was running low dose test 250mg/week after training naturally for 15 years said that the reasons high rep splits dont work for the average natural twink is because the weight they can handle for these reps simply are not enough tension for muscular adaptation




I can see where he comes from the majority of my sets are between 5-8 reps but many sets!

Doing set after set of 12-15 reps will just give you a pump and make youa  bit bigger but not actually much more muscular. I think it is mainly capilliarisation but I may be wrong I am not overly clued in on the scientific aspect.

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Re: despite of gh15's teachings, u will still pretend this guy is natural
« Reply #639 on: November 19, 2011, 11:05:46 AM »
a really really big guy on bodybuilding.com who was running low dose test 250mg/week after training naturally for 15 years said that the reasons high rep splits dont work for the average natural twink is because the weight they can handle for these reps simply are not enough tension for muscular adaptation




guy looks like a sex offender and no-one ever is going to get 20inch arms at 12% naturally unless theyre 6'6"

btw if you believe a 'really big guy' was running the same amount of test as Grandpa Joe's HRT then you should have stayed on bodybuilding.com

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Re: despite of gh15's teachings, u will still pretend this guy is natural
« Reply #640 on: November 19, 2011, 11:07:09 AM »
Arms aren`t 20 " by a long shot,but still looks like a natty to me.

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Re: despite of gh15's teachings, u will still pretend this guy is natural
« Reply #641 on: November 19, 2011, 11:09:49 AM »
Not that I really care,but it just might be that he trains balls to the wall,does cardio religously,eats right,gets enough sleep/rest,and is dedicated to a bodybuilding lifestyle.

Some guys just lift and eat a lot,others "train",and eat perfectly for their goals.

Looks like a big natural guy.

Just because gh15 said 185 lbs. is the limit  for a natty,or some dumb shit, doesn`t make it true in every case.....too many variables just some of which I listed above.
good post wes,,,

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Re: despite of gh15's teachings, u will still pretend this guy is natural
« Reply #642 on: November 19, 2011, 11:10:03 AM »
LOL @  "gh15`s teachings" !   :D




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Re: despite of gh15's teachings, u will still pretend this guy is natural
« Reply #643 on: November 19, 2011, 11:10:08 AM »
Arms aren`t 20 " by a long shot,but still looks like a natty to me.
i agree, i thought i was the only one who really doesnt think this guy is that impressive, there isnt one thing i see in that picture that makes me stop and go, "wow he's huge or impressive".

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Re: despite of gh15's teachings, u will still pretend this guy is natural
« Reply #644 on: November 19, 2011, 11:11:44 AM »
i agree, i thought i was the only one who really doesnt think this guy is that impressive, there isnt one thing i see in that picture that makes me stop and go, "wow he's huge or impressive".
He looks far better than average,in good shape but far from freaky or anything.

Doesn`t have the look you get from using gear IMO.

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Re: despite of gh15's teachings, u will still pretend this guy is natural
« Reply #645 on: November 19, 2011, 11:13:48 AM »
He looks far better than average,in good shape but far from freaky or anything.

Doesn`t have the look you get from using gear IMO.
oh i agree absolutely, he looks better than the average man or even average gym goer but compared to most guys running even a small amount of gear and that have a decent knowledge of what their doing in the gym he doesnt look like anything.

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Re: despite of gh15's teachings, u will still pretend this guy is natural
« Reply #646 on: November 19, 2011, 11:14:29 AM »
good post wes,,,
Thanks bro!  :)

As far as high reps getting you bigger muscles,they will up to a point as a natty,just like lower reps will up to a point as a natty.

This fucking guy could have trained for years using heavy weight (for him) but no longer does.

Who fucking knows  LOL  ???

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Re: despite of gh15's teachings, u will still pretend this guy is natural
« Reply #647 on: November 19, 2011, 11:20:03 AM »
oh i agree absolutely, he looks better than the average man or even average gym goer but compared to most guys running even a small amount of gear and that have a decent knowledge of what their doing in the gym he doesnt look like anything.
well there's where natural seperates from user ,,a clean guy who works hard and a user who maybe 'naturally 'can't touch this guy but a cycle or 2 passes him on the track,,,is what it is,,,both train but one gets more a lttle quicker.

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Re: despite of gh15's teachings, u will still pretend this guy is natural
« Reply #648 on: November 19, 2011, 11:23:30 AM »
oh i agree absolutely, he looks better than the average man or even average gym goer but compared to most guys running even a small amount of gear and that have a decent knowledge of what their doing in the gym he doesnt look like anything.
That`s what I was trying to imply.  :)

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Re: despite of gh15's teachings, u will still pretend this guy is natural
« Reply #649 on: November 19, 2011, 11:59:50 AM »
guy looks like a sex offender and no-one ever is going to get 20inch arms at 12% naturally unless theyre 6'6"

btw if you believe a 'really big guy' was running the same amount of test as Grandpa Joe's HRT then you should have stayed on bodybuilding.com

also high bf level