Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’

[MCWAY]

interesting thought process

are you going to tell us that Jesus only advocated private charity and not any form of state sponsored assistance (such as food stamps) and was actually against such a thing?

Until/unless you have specific passages, in which He instructs government entities to do such, I think Beach Bum will do just that.

[Straw Man]

Until/unless you have specific passages, in which He instructs government entities to do such, I think Beach Bum will do just that.

so you believe the absense of such a passage is proof to you (or Bum - since you've chosen to speak for him) that Jesus would not be in favor of public assistance....such as food stamps?

do I understand you correctly?

[MCWAY]

so you believe the absense of such a passage is proof to you (or Bum - since you've chosen to speak for him) that Jesus would not be in favor of public assistance....such as food stamps?

do I understand you correctly?

I didn't speak for Bum. I simply gave a guess as to how he might answer that question. He might feel differently.

Public assistance, per se, isn't the issue. Public assistance INDEFINITELY, in lieu of actually working (when one is capable of doing so) is NOT something Christ advocated.

[Straw Man]

I didn't speak for Bum. I simply gave a guess as to how he might answer that question. He might feel differently.

Public assistance, per se, isn't the issue. Public assistance INDEFINITELY, in lieu of actually working (when one is capable of doing so) is NOT something Christ advocated.

other than you, who mentioned INDEFINITELY and in lieu of working ?

[Dos Equis]

Any link to support this claim?

Nope.  Didn't look for one. 

[Dos Equis]

I didn't speak for Bum. I simply gave a guess as to how he might answer that question. He might feel differently.

Public assistance, per se, isn't the issue. Public assistance INDEFINITELY, in lieu of actually working (when one is capable of doing so) is NOT something Christ advocated.

I agree with this, although the issue I was responding to was the claim that Jesus feeding the masses was akin to government-sponsored food stamps.  Just pointed out that Jesus wasn't acting on behalf of the government.  He was a private party donating his time and talents, which is nothing like food stamps, but is just like people who donate to charity. 

[JBGRAY]

Jesus did tend to hang out with the likes of prostitutes, thieves, and others of their ilk.  He did say that "Do healthy people come to the hospital?  No.  Sick people do."  If Jesus were here, he would be among the OWS protesters trying to cure their various ailments and debaucheries. 

Pat Robertson is wrong.  Christians should be right in the middle of the OWS movement.....by spreading the Gospel and preaching tolerance and love through Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior.

I'm just sayin'. 

[Straw Man]

Jesus is supposed to have said this too

Matthew 25:31-46
New International Version (NIV)


The Sheep and the Goats

    31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
   34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

   37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

   40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

   41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

   44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

   45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

    46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

[240 is Back]

Wrong.  That was private charity, and conservatives tend to donate to charity more than liberals. 

hahahahhaha private charity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hahahahahaha so funny.  wow, the born-again types are so angry and repressed.  You can always tell the ones who have this big pile of "oh i was a terrible lib and now i hate them..."

[blacken700]

[MCWAY]

Jesus is supposed to have said this too

Matthew 25:31-46
New International Version (NIV)


The Sheep and the Goats

    31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
   34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

   37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

   40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

   41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

   44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

   45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

    46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

And this has what to do with food stamps or public aid again? This, as Beach Bum said, sound like private charity, people doing such thing of their own free will, not by some government mandate or law.

And what does any of this have to do with the clowns on OWS, who (for all their "Share the wealth" flap) are bellyaching about feeding the homeless, who keep showing up there?

[Dos Equis]

And this has what to do with food stamps or public aid again? This, as Beach Bum said, sound like private charity, people doing such thing of their own free will, not by some government mandate or law.

And what does any of this have to do with the clowns on OWS, who (for all their "Share the wealth" flap) are bellyaching about feeding the homeless, who keep showing up there?

Ding!  Correct.   

[Straw Man]

And this has what to do with food stamps or public aid again? This, as Beach Bum said, sound like private charity, people doing such thing of their own free will, not by some government mandate or law.

And what does any of this have to do with the clowns on OWS, who (for all their "Share the wealth" flap) are bellyaching about feeding the homeless, who keep showing up there?

the "least of your brothers" part

[Fury]

Straw Douche, how many hours per week do you spend volunteering and how much of your yearly income do you donate to charity?

[MCWAY]

the "least of your brothers" part

You're comparing personal giving from someone's heart, with a federal program, fueled by MANDATORY taxation in which the giver has no say and is impersonal on the matter?

[whork25]

Oh yeah...show me how Jesus was a lib. U can't prove what he was either way. If anything Jesus was right down the center. Its only the modern liberal Church both Catholic and Protestant that have made Jesus look like half a fag..instead of who he was. Besides I don' think it really matters.

Well i certainly can. He hung out with the poor helped them and feed them, said you cant buy your way in to heaven turn the other cheek, help your next etc...

He was hated by the rich because of this. Turn the other cheek, help your next etc...

He was as liberal as you can be

[whork25]

No he wasn't.

Helped the poor check
Redistribution of wealth check
Hated by the rich check
Helping the poor, curing and feeding them. How can you in any way reject he was as liberal as they come

[tonymctones]

Well i certainly can. He hung out with the poor helped them and feed them, said you cant buy your way in to heaven turn the other cheek, help your next etc...

He was hated by the rich because of this. Turn the other cheek, help your next etc...

He was as liberal as you can be

youre a fuking moron of a gimmick.

conservatives believe in helping others, actually they do more so than liberals.

the difference is conservatives dont believe and MAKING YOU CARE FOR OTHERS!!!

LIBERALS DOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

thats the difference jack ass

[tonymctones]

Helped the poor check
Redistribution of wealth check
Hated by the rich check
Helping the poor, curing and feeding them. How can you in any way reject he was as liberal as they come

did he do this b/c he was forced to or b/c he felt it the right thing to do?

if he was simply b/c he felt it was the right thing to do he probably has more in common with conservatives than liberals seeing as cons do this more so than libs.

Hate to burst your liberal media rattled brain.

[tonymctones]

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=2682730

"when you look at the data, it turns out the conservatives give about 30 percent more." He adds, "And incidentally, conservative-headed families make slightly less money."

sounds alot like something youve been describing and trying to pass off as liberal...

[tonymctones]

"And he says the differences in giving goes beyond money, pointing out that conservatives are 18 percent more likely to donate blood. He says this difference is not about politics, but about the different way conservatives and liberals view government."

[tonymctones]

""You find that people who believe it's the government's job to make incomes more equal, are far less likely to give their money away," Brooks says. In fact, people who disagree with the statement, "The government has a basic responsibility to take care of the people who can't take care of themselves," are 27 percent more likely to give to charity."

[whork25]

As usual you are digressing from the point
This wasnt a repub vs lib debate


The point is was Jesus a lib?

“It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven (Luke 18:25)”

 “What shall it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul.”

"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when there is the log in your own eye?

"You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you"
(Matthew 5.43-45 ESV

If a politician said these things you would be screaming socialist commie traitor prick at him

Jesus was undeniably a lib

[MCWAY]

Helped the poor check
Redistribution of wealth check
Hated by the rich check
Helping the poor, curing and feeding them. How can you in any way reject he was as liberal as they come

Whose wealth did he redistribute again? When did Jesus take someone else's money and give it to a poor person?

Hated the rich? Ummmm....NOOOOO!!! Zaccheus was rich; Jesus didn't hate him. Nicodemus was rich; Jesus was friends with him.

Then, there's His parable of the talents where the man with one talent had it taken from him and given to the man who had TEN talents (doubling his initial total of 5 talents). "For to everyone who has, more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away" Matt. 25:29.

Then, you get to behavorial issues. Jesus said that if someone lusts after a woman, he's committing adultery in his heart. Yeah, that's REEEAAAAALLLYY going to come from the mouth of a liberal. 

Where in the world are you getting this foolishness?

[whork25]

Can you read? I didnt say he hated the rich i said the rich hated him!!

Jesus spend his time with the poor, the beggars and prostitutes etc..

"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven (Luke 18:25)”

Jesus was THE lib of all time