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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #50 on: November 02, 2011, 06:03:10 AM »
Can you read? I didnt say he hated the rich i said the rich hated him!!

Jesus spend his time with the poor, the beggars and prostitutes etc..

"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven (Luke 18:25)”

Jesus was THE lib of all time

Can YOU read? Zaccheus was rich; Nicodemus was rich; Did either of them hate Jesus? NO!!

Jesus spent time with people from ALL WALKS OF LIFE, not jus the poor, the beggars and the prostitute:

And since you're citing verses, why not address the ones I cited, namely Matt. 25:29

For to everyone who has, more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away.

Then, there's that adultery thing!!

Liberal? NOT EVEN CLOSE!!!!

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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #51 on: November 02, 2011, 06:17:10 AM »
So a man that spends all his time with the poor and says a rich man can't enter heaven is NOT a lib ???

"For to everyone who has, more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away."

What do YOU think this means? You need to read it in Context


Jesus not a lib ::) Yeah right

Luke 6:20-21 Then he looked up at his disciples and said: 'Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God.

'Blessed are you who are hungry now, for you will be filled. 'Blessed are you who weep now, for you will laugh.



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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #52 on: November 02, 2011, 06:18:54 AM »
Where did Jesus advocate gay marriage, abortion, etc? 

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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #53 on: November 02, 2011, 06:22:36 AM »
Where did Jesus advocate gay marriage, abortion, etc? 

Where did he advocate against them?

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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #54 on: November 02, 2011, 06:30:43 AM »
Mark 10:21-22 Jesus, looking at him, loved him and said, "You lack one thing; go, sell what you own, and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me." When he heard this, he was shocked and went away grieving, for he had many possessions.


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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #55 on: November 02, 2011, 06:33:25 AM »
So a man that spends all his time with the poor and says a rich man can't enter heaven is NOT a lib ???

"For to everyone who has, more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away."

What do YOU think this means? You need to read it in Context


Jesus not a lib ::) Yeah right

Luke 6:20-21 Then he looked up at his disciples and said: 'Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God.

'Blessed are you who are hungry now, for you will be filled. 'Blessed are you who weep now, for you will laugh.



Try that again. It's "Blessed are the poor IN SPRIT, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven." (Matt 5:3). That has NOTHING to do with being monetarily poor. You can be loaded and be poor in spirit.

And, "Blessed are those who hunger and thirst FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS; for they shall be filled." (Matt 5:6)

And I read that parable of the talents in context, which refutes your take further. The two servants who each doubled the talents they were given were blessed. Notice that THEY WERE NOT MANDATED to give what they earned to the servant who had just one talent (i.e. no "redistribution of wealth").

To top it all off, Jesus NEVER SAID that a rich man can never enter heaven. You missed the rest of that particular passage, "When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, 'Who then can be saved?' "Jesus looked at them and said, With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.'"

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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #56 on: November 02, 2011, 06:36:51 AM »
Mark 10:21-22 Jesus, looking at him, loved him and said, "You lack one thing; go, sell what you own, and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me." When he heard this, he was shocked and went away grieving, for he had many possessions.


Do you want more i can copy paste all night the bible is on my side ;D

Yet, He did NOT tell that to Zaccheus (he gave his money away of his own conviction), nor Nicodemus (no account of his giving away anything).

Then, there's the centurion, whose servant was healed. Why didn't Jesus tell him to give up his money (centurions made a pretty penny back then)?


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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #57 on: November 02, 2011, 06:53:31 AM »
Mark 10:21-22 Jesus, looking at him, loved him and said, "You lack one thing; go, sell what you own, and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me." When he heard this, he was shocked and went away grieving, for he had many possessions.



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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #58 on: November 02, 2011, 06:56:57 AM »
i LOVE it when repubs try to claim Jesus.

they can claim anything they want about the dems being socialist, worthless, lazy, etc - that's cool.

But Jesus?  Sowwy, he wasn't a neocon nor a tea partier.



Why is Jesus a Liberal?

Webster's dictionary defines a Liberal as one who is open
minded, not strict in the observance of orthodox, traditional
or established forms or ways.  Jesus was a pluralist Liberal
who taught that one need not conform to strict and orthodox
views of God, religion, and life.  He rejected greed, violence,
the glorification of power, the amassing of wealth without
social balance, and the personal judging of others, their
lifestyles and beliefs.

Over and over again, He taught us to believe in and live a
spiritual and ethical life based in our essential, inherent
goodness.  What Jesus promoted was succinct set of
spiritual principals and a way of life based upon the of love,
compassion, tolerance, and a strong belief in the importance
in giving and of generosity to those in need. 

While not Biblical scholars, our common sense
understanding of His lessons as philosophically and
politically Liberal is founded upon Jesus' own words (see
quotes below), modern interpretations of Liberation Theology,
and in the positive, loving and compassionate application of
His teachings - from the many early Saints to Mother
Theresa and Liberation Theology.

Certainly, Jesus brought a radically Liberal theology to the
Orthodox believers of his time. Jesus IS a Liberal even today
because now more than ever, His principals align with the
very core of Liberal Beliefs.
Biblical Quotes Supporting the Belief that Jesus Is A Liberal

Peacemaking, not War Making: Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. [Matthew 5:9]  Resist
not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. [Matthew 5:39]  I say unto you, Love your
enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despite-fully use you, and persecute
you; [Matthew 5:44]

The Death Penalty: Thou shalt not kill [Matthew 5:21]

Crime and Punishment: If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to cast a stone at her. [John 8:7]  Do not judge, lest
you too be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged and with the measure you use, it will be measured to
you. [Matthew 7:1 & 2.]   

Justice: Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.  [Matthew 5:6] Blessed are the
merciful: for they shall obtain mercy [Matthew 5:7]  But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your
trespasses.  [Matthew 6:15]

Corporate Greed and the Religion of Wealth: In the temple courts [Jesus] found men selling cattle, sheep and doves and other
sitting at tables exchanging money. So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle;
he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. [John 2:14 & 15.] Watch out! Be on your guard against
all kinds of greed; a man's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions. [Luke 12.15.]  Truly, I say unto you, it will
be hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. [Matthew 19:23] You cannot serve both God and Money. [Matthew 6:24.]

Paying Taxes & Separation of Church & State: Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the
things that are God's.  [Matthew 22:21] 

Community:  Love your neighbor as yourself. .[Matthew 22:39]  So in everything, do to others as you would have them do to you.
[Matthew 7:12.]  If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven.
[Matthew 19:21] 

Equality & Social Programs: But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed,
because they cannot repay you. You will be repaid at the resurrection of the just. [Luke 14:13 &14.] 

Public Prayer & Displays of Faith: And when thou pray, thou shall not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in
the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 
But thou, when thou pray, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret…
[Matthew 6:6 & 7]

Strict Enforcement of Religious Laws: If any of you has a son or a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take
hold of it and lift it out?  [Matthew 12:11] The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. [Mark 2:27.]

Individuality & Personal Spiritual Experience: Ye are the light of the world. [Matthew 5:14]

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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #59 on: November 02, 2011, 06:57:32 AM »
Mark 10:21-22 Jesus, looking at him, loved him and said, "You lack one thing; go, sell what you own, and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me." When he heard this, he was shocked and went away grieving, for he had many possessions.


And, where does Jesus mandate that every rich person do that again?

Zaccheus?

Nicodemus?

The Roman Centurion?

Where is this universal mandate that all rich people give up their goods?

Furthermore, there's that pesky parable again, where the guy with one talent had that TAKEN FROM HIM and given to someone with ten talents.

Matthew 25:29, "For to everyone who has, more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away"

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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #60 on: November 02, 2011, 06:58:12 AM »
240 - do you think liberals like straw, lurker, benny, blackass, YOURSELF,  are open minded?   

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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #61 on: November 02, 2011, 07:00:52 AM »
Who is talking about Mandating?

Mark 12:41-44 He sat down opposite the treasury, and watched the crowd putting money into the treasury. Many rich people put in large sums. 42 A poor widow came and put in two small copper coins, which are worth a penny. 43 Then he called his disciples and said to them, "Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put in more than all those who are contributing to the treasury. 44 For all of them have contributed out of their abundance; but she out of her poverty has put in everything she had, all she had to live on."

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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #62 on: November 02, 2011, 07:01:07 AM »
do you think your open minded

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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #63 on: November 02, 2011, 07:04:51 AM »
Luke 14:12-14 He said also to the one who had invited him, "When you give a luncheon or a dinner, do not invite your friends or your brothers or your relatives or rich neighbors, in case they may invite you in return, and you would be repaid. But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, and the blind. And you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you, for you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous."


Sounds pretty lib huh?:)

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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #64 on: November 02, 2011, 07:09:03 AM »
do you think your open minded

No, i know what I believe unless proven otherwise. 


Hey - remember Bob Casey trying to speak about pro-life at a Demo convention?  guess what happened to him?   

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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #65 on: November 02, 2011, 07:11:32 AM »
i LOVE it when repubs try to claim Jesus.

they can claim anything they want about the dems being socialist, worthless, lazy, etc - that's cool.

But Jesus?  Sowwy, he wasn't a neocon nor a tea partier.



Why is Jesus a Liberal?

Webster's dictionary defines a Liberal as one who is open
minded, not strict in the observance of orthodox, traditional
or established forms or ways.  Jesus was a pluralist Liberal
who taught that one need not conform to strict and orthodox
views of God, religion, and life.  He rejected greed, violence,
the glorification of power, the amassing of wealth without
social balance, and the personal judging of others, their
lifestyles and beliefs.

Over and over again, He taught us to believe in and live a
spiritual and ethical life based in our essential, inherent
goodness.  What Jesus promoted was succinct set of
spiritual principals and a way of life based upon the of love,
compassion, tolerance, and a strong belief in the importance
in giving and of generosity to those in need.  

While not Biblical scholars, our common sense
understanding of His lessons as philosophically and
politically Liberal is founded upon Jesus' own words (see
quotes below), modern interpretations of Liberation Theology,
and in the positive, loving and compassionate application of
His teachings - from the many early Saints to Mother
Theresa and Liberation Theology.

Certainly, Jesus brought a radically Liberal theology to the
Orthodox believers of his time. Jesus IS a Liberal even today
because now more than ever, His principals align with the
very core of Liberal Beliefs.
Biblical Quotes Supporting the Belief that Jesus Is A Liberal

Peacemaking, not War Making: Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. [Matthew 5:9]  Resist
not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. [Matthew 5:39]  I say unto you, Love your
enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despite-fully use you, and persecute
you; [Matthew 5:44]

The Death Penalty: Thou shalt not kill [Matthew 5:21]

Crime and Punishment: If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to cast a stone at her. [John 8:7]  Do not judge, lest
you too be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged and with the measure you use, it will be measured to
you. [Matthew 7:1 & 2.]  

Whoever wrote this crap apparently forgot that this scenario wasn't about the death penalty. It was about the Pharisees trying to trip up Jesus. The text even says so, "They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him."

Plus, the law said that BOTH adultering parties, not just the woman, were to be executed. The "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to cast a stone at her" is based on one thing. In such cases, the spouse(s) of the adultering party (or parties) iniated the rock-hurling. This woman's husband or the wife of the man, with whom she was cavorting, was nowhere in sight.

You will also note that at no time does Jesus or the woman deny her actions or that, by law, SHE DESERVES the death penalty. Hint: It's called MERCY. She is being spared from death for committing a capital offense.




Justice: Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.  [Matthew 5:6] Blessed are the
merciful: for they shall obtain mercy [Matthew 5:7]  But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your
trespasses.  [Matthew 6:15]

Corporate Greed and the Religion of Wealth: In the temple courts [Jesus] found men selling cattle, sheep and doves and other
sitting at tables exchanging money. So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle;
he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. [John 2:14 & 15.] Watch out! Be on your guard against
all kinds of greed; a man's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions. [Luke 12.15.]  Truly, I say unto you, it will
be hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. [Matthew 19:23] You cannot serve both God and Money. [Matthew 6:24.]

Paying Taxes & Separation of Church & State: Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the
things that are God's.  [Matthew 22:21]  

Community:  Love your neighbor as yourself. .[Matthew 22:39]  So in everything, do to others as you would have them do to you.
[Matthew 7:12.]  If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven.
[Matthew 19:21]  

The Old Testament already covered how the poor were to be treated,

"Do not take advantage of a widow or an orphan." Exodus 22:22

"Do not deny justice to your poor people in their lawsuits." Exodus 23:6

"During the seventh year, let the land lie unplowed and unused. Then the poor among your people may get food from it, and the wild animals may eat what they leave. Do the same with your vineyard and your olive grove." Exodus 23:11

"Do not go over your vineyard a second time or pick up the grapes that have fallen. Leave them for the poor and the alien. I am the LORD your God." Leviticus 19:10

"Do not pervert justice; do not show partiality to the poor or favoritism to the great, but judge your neighbor fairly." Leviticus 19:15

"When you reap the harvest of your land, do not reap to the very edges of your field or gather the gleanings of your harvest. Leave them for the poor and the alien. I am the LORD your God." Leviticus 23:22


And there is ZILCH in either testament about the so-called separation of church and state. Again, that was a reply to a trap question by the Pharisees, trying to get Jesus on record as saying not to pay taxes (in order to have Him arrested).




Equality & Social Programs: But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed,
because they cannot repay you. You will be repaid at the resurrection of the just. [Luke 14:13 &14.]  

Key word: INVITE! That is, doing something of your own free will, NOT via government fiat or law. And a feast is an OCCASIONAL thing, not something done in perpetuity, to feed somebody indefinitely. Do you throw a birthday party every day and feed every single impoverished person in the process? NO!!


Public Prayer & Displays of Faith: And when thou pray, thou shall not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in
the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.  
But thou, when thou pray, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret…
[Matthew 6:6 & 7]

Strict Enforcement of Religious Laws: If any of you has a son or a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take
hold of it and lift it out?  [Matthew 12:11] The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. [Mark 2:27.]



Individuality & Personal Spiritual Experience: Ye are the light of the world. [Matthew 5:14]

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Jesus said, "Think not that I've come to destroy the law. I have come not to destroy the law but to fulfill it." Jesus not only followed the laws strictly, He took it to the next level, focusing on the HEART of the law, not merely going through the motions.

And, as for being liberal, explain why Jesus stated that, when it came to adultery, if a man merely LUSTED after a woman, he had committed adultery in his heart.


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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #66 on: November 02, 2011, 07:13:11 AM »
Luke 14:12-14 He said also to the one who had invited him, "When you give a luncheon or a dinner, do not invite your friends or your brothers or your relatives or rich neighbors, in case they may invite you in return, and you would be repaid. But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, and the blind. And you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you, for you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous."


Sounds pretty lib huh?:)

Nope!! Do you hold banquets on a daily basis? Of course not! It's an occasional thing, not designed to feed someone in perpetuity. They eat once; then LEAVE!!!

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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #67 on: November 02, 2011, 07:15:34 AM »
Who is talking about Mandating?

Mark 12:41-44 He sat down opposite the treasury, and watched the crowd putting money into the treasury. Many rich people put in large sums. 42 A poor widow came and put in two small copper coins, which are worth a penny. 43 Then he called his disciples and said to them, "Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put in more than all those who are contributing to the treasury. 44 For all of them have contributed out of their abundance; but she out of her poverty has put in everything she had, all she had to live on."


And this has what to do with Jesus' supposed liberalism?


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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #68 on: November 02, 2011, 07:16:25 AM »
"He who oppresses the poor to increase his wealth and he who gives gifts to the rich--both come to poverty."

-Proverbs 22:16



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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #69 on: November 02, 2011, 07:18:14 AM »
"He who oppresses the poor to increase his wealth and he who gives gifts to the rich--both come to poverty."

-Proverbs 22:16




LMFAO!!!! 


CORZINE - OBAMA - PELOSI - MADDOFF - MCCAULLIFE -




ANYONE? ?  ? ? ? ?

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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #70 on: November 02, 2011, 07:19:02 AM »
And this has what to do with Jesus' supposed liberalism?




Poor= give little  ( FOX would freak over this, where is the fairness etc...)

Rich.. well you get the picture

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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #71 on: November 02, 2011, 07:20:38 AM »
LMFAO!!!! 


CORZINE - OBAMA - PELOSI - MADDOFF - MCCAULLIFE -




ANYONE? ?  ? ? ? ?

You need to learn to see the difference between a philosophy and people.

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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #72 on: November 02, 2011, 07:21:24 AM »
"People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs."

-1 Timothy 6:9-10


Not only was Jesus a lib he was also ANTI Capitalism

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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #73 on: November 02, 2011, 07:21:46 AM »
You need to learn to see the difference between a philosophy and people.


Liberalism is a corrupt bankrupt philosophy and works solely for the big govt pofs you love so mnuch.  

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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #74 on: November 02, 2011, 07:22:49 AM »
"People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs."

-1 Timothy 6:9-10


Not only was Jesus a lib he was also ANTI Capitalism

You miss again! One more time, see the parable of the talents.