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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #75 on: November 02, 2011, 07:23:05 AM »
Liberalism is a corrupt bankrupt philosophy and works solely for the big govt pofs you love so mnuch.  

We are talking Jesus here rest your mind from your hatred for 5 min

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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #76 on: November 02, 2011, 07:23:11 AM »
"People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs."

-1 Timothy 6:9-10


Not only was Jesus a lib he was also ANTI Capitalism

LOL.  



CLINTON - MADDOFF - OBAMA - CORZINE - PELOSI - REID - HARMON



DO YOU REALIZE THE RICHEST IN THE CONGRESS ARE FAR LEFT LIBS YOU MORON?    

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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #77 on: November 02, 2011, 07:25:48 AM »
LOL.  
CLINTON - MADDOFF - OBAMA - CORZINE - PELOSI - REID - HARMON
DO YOU REALIZE THE RICHEST IN THE CONGRESS ARE FAR LEFT LIBS YOU MORON?    

I know you are not the brightest so i will explain again:

The debate between me and Mcway is about Jesus and his philosophy nobody is talking about CLINTON - MADDOFF - OBAMA - CORZINE - PELOSI - REID - HARMON
Other than you
Stop acting like a 3-year old crying for attention ;)

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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #78 on: November 02, 2011, 07:27:51 AM »
I know you are not the brightest so i will explain again:

The debate between me and Mcway is about Jesus and his philosophy nobody is talking about CLINTON - MADDOFF - OBAMA - CORZINE - PELOSI - REID - HARMON
Other than you
Stop acting like a 3-year old crying for attention ;)


sorry - why is that the greediest, most corrupt, most thieving, always happen to be the far leftist libs? 

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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #79 on: November 02, 2011, 07:35:03 AM »
sorry - why is that the greediest, most corrupt, most thieving, always happen to be the far leftist libs? 

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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #80 on: November 02, 2011, 08:04:39 AM »
"People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs."

-1 Timothy 6:9-10


Not only was Jesus a lib he was also ANTI Capitalism

This "wanting to get rich" and the man w/great wealth that went away sad are issues of the heart....not that earthly wealth is a sin.

"The LOVE of money" and "eagerness for money" is what is being addressed.  It's an issue of the heart. 

It is not a sin to be rich, but greed is a sin....also holding other "gods" before the True God is a sin...as the man's "god" was money.




The verses here show that the man said he "kept all the commandments" Jesus had listed until Jesus pointed out his greed.  He was not "perfect" as no one is and we are all unable to get into heaven through works.

Matt 19
16 Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”
   17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”

 18 “Which ones?” he inquired.

   Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, 19 honor your father and mother,’[c] and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’[d]”

 20 “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?”

 21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

 22 When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.

 23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”


He had a chance to hang out w/God in the flesh and he chose his earthly riches over this.   It would be a difficult choice for some w/great earthly wealth.  An issue of the heart.
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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #81 on: November 02, 2011, 08:14:51 AM »
We should definitely help those that cannot help themselves (or who are trying but need a little boost) but the issue is w/people that are able-bodied and able-minded that refuse to work/help themselves.

2 Thess 3
We were not idle when we were with you, 8 nor did we eat anyone’s food without paying for it. On the contrary, we worked night and day, laboring and toiling so that we would not be a burden to any of you. 9 We did this, not because we do not have the right to such help, but in order to offer ourselves as a model for you to imitate. 10 For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”

Proverbs 12
24 Diligent hands will rule,
   but laziness ends in forced labor.

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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #82 on: November 02, 2011, 09:42:53 AM »
Mark 10:21-22 Jesus, looking at him, loved him and said, "You lack one thing; go, sell what you own, and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me." When he heard this, he was shocked and went away grieving, for he had many possessions.


Do you want more i can copy paste all night the bible is on my side ;D
Who donates more? Libs or cons?

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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #83 on: November 02, 2011, 09:44:23 AM »
Can you read? I didnt say he hated the rich i said the rich hated him!!

Jesus spend his time with the poor, the beggars and prostitutes etc..

"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven (Luke 18:25)”

Jesus was THE lib of all time
Lol you do know the "eye of a needle" isn't what your thinking of right?

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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #84 on: November 02, 2011, 09:47:46 AM »
We should definitely help those that cannot help themselves (or who are trying but need a little boost) but the issue is w/people that are able-bodied and able-minded that refuse to work/help themselves.

2 Thess 3
We were not idle when we were with you, 8 nor did we eat anyone’s food without paying for it. On the contrary, we worked night and day, laboring and toiling so that we would not be a burden to any of you. 9 We did this, not because we do not have the right to such help, but in order to offer ourselves as a model for you to imitate. 10 For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”

Proverbs 12
24 Diligent hands will rule,
   but laziness ends in forced labor.


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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #85 on: November 02, 2011, 09:49:27 AM »
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=2682730

"when you look at the data, it turns out the conservatives give about 30 percent more." He adds, "And incidentally, conservative-headed families make slightly less money."

sounds alot like something youve been describing and trying to pass off as liberal...
So cons give more even though they make less

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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #86 on: November 02, 2011, 09:51:45 AM »
""You find that people who believe it's the government's job to make incomes more equal, are far less likely to give their money away," Brooks says. In fact, people who disagree with the statement, "The government has a basic responsibility to take care of the people who can't take care of themselves," are 27 percent more likely to give to charity."
Going back to what butter bean said.

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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #87 on: November 02, 2011, 11:25:18 AM »
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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #88 on: November 03, 2011, 01:14:49 AM »
So cons give more even though they make less

I was'nt debating Con vs lib.

I said Jesus was a liberal.

This is not knee-paddding just the truth


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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #89 on: November 03, 2011, 04:01:06 AM »
I was'nt debating Con vs lib.

I said Jesus was a liberal.

This is not knee-paddding just the truth


I think arguing about it is pretty ridiculous to be honest but the facts disagree with you AS ALWAYS!!!

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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #90 on: November 03, 2011, 10:52:02 AM »
I think arguing about it is pretty ridiculous to be honest but the facts disagree with you AS ALWAYS!!!

Spend his time with poor and preached they would inherit the Earth, Heaven..check   Welfare-bum-lover :)
Luke 6:20-21 Then he looked up at his disciples and said: 'Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God.
'Blessed are you who are hungry now, for you will be filled. 'Blessed are you who weep now, for you will laugh.
           

Anti-Capitalist...Check
“It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven (Luke 18:25)”

Said to people they should give away their belongings to enter the kingdom of god and live in his spirit..Check Communist:)
Matthew 19:21-22: "Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou
hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow
me. But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great
possessions."

Against Flat tax..Check
Mark 12:41-44 He sat down opposite the treasury, and watched the crowd putting money into the treasury. Many rich people put in large sums. 42 A poor widow came and put in two small copper coins, which are worth a penny. 43 Then he called his disciples and said to them, "Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put in more than all those who are contributing to the treasury. 44 For all of them have contributed out of their abundance; but she out of her poverty has put in everything she had, all she had to live on."


Didnt like the concept of fundraising dinners...
Luke 14:12-14 He said also to the one who had invited him, "When you give a luncheon or a dinner, do not invite your friends or your brothers or your relatives or rich neighbors, in case they may invite you in return, and you would be repaid. But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, and the blind. And you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you, for you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous."


Nemesis on the rich...Check
Luke 16:19-25 "There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day. And at his gate lay a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, who longed to satisfy his hunger with what fell from the rich man's table; even the dogs would come and lick his sores. The poor man died and was carried away by the angels to be with Abraham. The rich man also died and was buried. In Hades, where he was being tormented, he looked up and saw Abraham far away with Lazarus by his side. He called out, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am in agony in these flames.' But Abraham said, 'Child, remember that during your lifetime you received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner evil things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in agony.


Anti coorporatism anti Big ownership...Check
Luke 12:16-21 Then he told them a parable: "The land of a rich man produced abundantly. And he thought to himself, 'What should I do, for I have no place to store my crops?' Then he said, 'I will do this: I will pull down my barns and build larger ones, and there I will store all my grain and my goods. And I will say to my soul, 'Soul, you have ample goods laid up for many years; relax, eat, drink, be merry.' But God said to him, 'You fool! This very night your life is being demanded of you. And the things you have prepared, whose will they be?' So it is with those who store up treasures for themselves but are not rich toward God."
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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #91 on: November 03, 2011, 12:13:11 PM »
Did you not understand from the links I posted that cons do more to help the poor than lobs even though libs make more?

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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #92 on: November 03, 2011, 01:30:52 PM »
Did you not understand from the links I posted that cons do more to help the poor than lobs even though libs make more?

So why do poor people have it much better in Scandinavia compared to the US?

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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #93 on: November 03, 2011, 01:38:11 PM »
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=2682730

"when you look at the data, it turns out the conservatives give about 30 percent more." He adds, "And incidentally, conservative-headed families make slightly less money."

sounds alot like something youve been describing and trying to pass off as liberal...

This John Stossel story is absolute bullshit.  Absolute, complete bullshit.  It is as warped as so-called "reporting" gets.

The "liberal" representation was centered around an area of San Francisco that is 100% retail, non-residential, and is known to be frequented by some of the wealthiest people in the country.  The stores are Neiman-Marcus, Saks Fifth Avenue, and several other extremely expensive boutiques.  Flat out, it is a tourist center for the rich.

If anything, it shows that people who shop at Walmart give more than people who shop at Neiman-Marcus.

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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #94 on: November 03, 2011, 08:23:03 PM »
So why do poor people have it much better in Scandinavia compared to the US?
::) LMFAO does that prove anything to you?

fact of the matter is conservative do more to help poor ppl than liberals do...deal with it samson

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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #95 on: November 03, 2011, 08:25:08 PM »
240 - do you think liberals like straw, lurker, benny, blackass, YOURSELF,  are open minded?   

of course i am. 

i think some liberal, and some conservative ideas are good ones.

i don't care what ppl do with their bodies, their health, whatever.  I don't care who fcks who, and who marries who.

I don't claim to know what power put us here.  I dont claim to know one religion or party (both manmade) to be correct.

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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #96 on: November 03, 2011, 08:27:57 PM »
This John Stossel story is absolute bullshit.  Absolute, complete bullshit.  It is as warped as so-called "reporting" gets.

The "liberal" representation was centered around an area of San Francisco that is 100% retail, non-residential, and is known to be frequented by some of the wealthiest people in the country.  The stores are Neiman-Marcus, Saks Fifth Avenue, and several other extremely expensive boutiques.  Flat out, it is a tourist center for the rich.

If anything, it shows that people who shop at Walmart give more than people who shop at Neiman-Marcus.

LMFAO sigh, are these studies bull shit as well?

Although liberal families' incomes average 6 percent higher than those of conservative families, conservative-headed households give, on average, 30 percent more to charity than the average liberal-headed household ($1,600 per year vs. $1,227).

-- Conservatives also donate more time and give more blood.

-- Residents of the states that voted for John Kerry in 2004 gave smaller percentages of their incomes to charity than did residents of states that voted for George Bush.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/opinion/21kristof.html

Arthur Brooks, the author of a book on donors to charity, “Who Really Cares,” cites data that households headed by conservatives give 30 percent more to charity than households headed by liberals. A study by Google found an even greater disproportion: average annual contributions reported by conservatives were almost double those of liberals.



and what of the donations of time and blood?

why did you leave those out of your analysis?
 

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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #97 on: November 03, 2011, 08:30:44 PM »
plus - the people that watch the nonstop news... are probably OLDER, right? 

I mean, teenagers aren't watching CBS nightly news, that shit is boring.
People in their 20/30s are often at work or soccer games, etc.

But people in their 50s-70s?  THey watch the damn news.

and in 1994, old people didn't want to hear nonstop BJ news.
In 2011, they're a tad freakier.  Call it the viagra factor?

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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #98 on: November 03, 2011, 09:05:46 PM »
LMFAO sigh, are these studies bull shit as well?

Although liberal families' incomes average 6 percent higher than those of conservative families, conservative-headed households give, on average, 30 percent more to charity than the average liberal-headed household ($1,600 per year vs. $1,227).

-- Conservatives also donate more time and give more blood.

-- Residents of the states that voted for John Kerry in 2004 gave smaller percentages of their incomes to charity than did residents of states that voted for George Bush.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/opinion/21kristof.html

Arthur Brooks, the author of a book on donors to charity, “Who Really Cares,” cites data that households headed by conservatives give 30 percent more to charity than households headed by liberals. A study by Google found an even greater disproportion: average annual contributions reported by conservatives were almost double those of liberals.



and what of the donations of time and blood?

why did you leave those out of your analysis?
 

Then to John Stossel, I would suggest using a better method than comparing Walmart shoppers to Neiman-Marcus shoppers.  Because he is only making an argument to show wealthy people are less likely to donate than working-class people.

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Re: Pat Robertson: Christians should not join ‘Occupy Wall Street’
« Reply #99 on: November 03, 2011, 09:15:38 PM »
Then to John Stossel, I would suggest using a better method than comparing Walmart shoppers to Neiman-Marcus shoppers.  Because he is only making an argument to show wealthy people are less likely to donate than working-class people.
and seeing as libs make more than cons, that means what?

why didnt you address the other studies and points made like the facts about charitable donations and lib/con states?

facts are facts son, deal with it.