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Should the military press be restored to olympic lifting?
« on: November 02, 2011, 12:42:09 AM »
Should the military press be restored to Olympic lifting?...They dropped the press in the 1970's because the Russians were cleaning everyone's clock with their expertise in training/pharmacology...

The three lifts were:
  • The Snatch (sigh, that name)
  • The Clean and Jerk
  • The Press

The first two tested primarily reflex and coordination functions; the Press tested primarily how strong you were.

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Re: Should the military press be restored to olympic lifting?
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2011, 02:01:29 AM »

military press is for pussies, clean and press is for real men

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Re: Should the military press be restored to olympic lifting?
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2011, 02:03:21 AM »
military press is for pussies, clean and press is for real men
that's obviously what he meant you motherfukcing dumbass

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Re: Should the military press be restored to olympic lifting?
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2011, 02:04:37 AM »
that's obviously what he meant you motherfukcing dumbass

shut your cockholster captain retardo

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Re: Should the military press be restored to olympic lifting?
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2011, 02:05:54 AM »
Should the military press be restored to Olympic lifting?...They dropped the press in the 1970's because the Russians were cleaning everyone's clock with their expertise in training/pharmacology...

The three lifts were:
  • The Snatch (sigh, that name)
  • The Clean and Jerk
  • The Press

The first two tested primarily reflex and coordination functions; the Press tested primarily how strong you were.



this is the strongest press ever done in hostory and it sure isnt a damn russian




sure the russian "beat" that record by 2 kilos but look at this knee bend, should have been red lighted/red flagged/ "no lift"



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Re: Should the military press be restored to olympic lifting?
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2011, 02:13:30 AM »
I think not. Hard to judge + the jerk requires a strong upper body.

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Re: Should the military press be restored to olympic lifting?
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2011, 02:14:40 AM »
they will probably remove the snatch at some point because he who wins the jerk usually wins the total because the jerk is a much higher number

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Re: Should the military press be restored to olympic lifting?
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2011, 02:21:50 AM »
The first two tested primarily reflex and coordination functions; the Press tested primarily how strong you were.

This by the way is an utter lie. Or I guess weightlifters squat 400 kg just for fun?

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Re: Should the military press be restored to olympic lifting?
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2011, 02:22:31 AM »
This by the way is an utter lie. Or I guess weightlifters squat 400 kg just for fun?

lol none squat 400kg ::)

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Re: Should the military press be restored to olympic lifting?
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2011, 02:25:35 AM »
lol none squat 400kg ::)

Mark Henry did 430 but I guess that was with wraps.

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« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2011, 02:26:33 AM »
Mark Henry did 430 but I guess that was with wraps.

he was total shit as far as weightlifting goes

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Re: Should the military press be restored to olympic lifting?
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2011, 02:33:24 AM »
105 kg weightlifting champ



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3rd place finisher in the world's strongest man + team member of the Russian weightlifting team




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Re: Should the military press be restored to olympic lifting?
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2011, 02:41:56 AM »
Wouldn't it be impossible to judge how much body english is permitted?

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Re: Should the military press be restored to olympic lifting?
« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2011, 02:44:14 AM »
unreal strength in the above vids


there was a moron on here a while back claiming weightlifters weren't that strong !!!????

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Re: Should the military press be restored to olympic lifting?
« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2011, 02:45:25 AM »
claiming weightlifters weren't that strong !!!????

lol.....



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Re: Should the military press be restored to olympic lifting?
« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2011, 02:46:47 AM »
military press is for pussies, clean and press is for real men

Clean and press is for Pierre Cardin suits...

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Re: Should the military press be restored to olympic lifting?
« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2011, 02:48:16 AM »
They dropped the press because of excessive backbend while performing the lift.

It almost looked like a standing incline press.


Some guys leaned back so far it almost seemed like their spines were made out of rubber.............hence,it became so hard to judge a good lift that they simply abolished it altogether.

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Re: Should the military press be restored to olympic lifting?
« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2011, 02:53:17 AM »
105 kg weightlifting champ
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3rd place finisher in the world's strongest man + team member of the Russian weightlifting team

Truly impressive and a very strong man, and no I could never equal that when I was at my height of conditioning...but you are comparing apples to oranges...olympic lifts all start with the barbell on the floor.

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Re: Should the military press be restored to olympic lifting?
« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2011, 02:58:13 AM »
They dropped the press because of excessive backbend while performing the lift.

It almost looked like a standing incline press.


Some guys leaned back so far it almost seemed like their spines were made out of rubber.............hence,it became so hard to judge a good lift that they simply abolished it altogether.
This may be a component of the decision,...but my physical education teachers told me that the "smoke filled room" reason was to take the Russians down a notch.  

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Re: Should the military press be restored to olympic lifting?
« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2011, 04:25:24 AM »
Yes - would be great.
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Re: Should the military press be restored to olympic lifting?
« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2011, 05:16:52 AM »
Clean and press is for Pierre Cardin suits...

Hahaha, your standards are high!

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Re: Should the military press be restored to olympic lifting?
« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2011, 06:56:14 AM »
To those who think Olympic lifting is technique you obviously never tried to lift anything over your head from the ground.  There are no weak champion Olympic lifters. They have incredible power.

The clean and press turned into a standing bench press by the amount of back bend that was used. They also started to use a little kip to begin the press.

The clean and press is an excellent measure of a man's strength.  It shows power to clean the weight.  The whole body has to have a strong core to stabilize while the press is completed. It's one of the best exercises you can do with a barbell.

I would love to see how many pro bodybuilders could clean 250 lbs and press it over head. I really wonder if anyone could do it of the current guys. I bet Coleman could have but the current guys I wonder.

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Re: Should the military press be restored to olympic lifting?
« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2011, 07:25:54 AM »
Should the military press be restored to Olympic lifting?...They dropped the press in the 1970's because the Russians were cleaning everyone's clock with their expertise in training/pharmacology...

The three lifts were:
  • The Snatch (sigh, that name)
  • The Clean and Jerk
  • The Press

The first two tested primarily reflex and coordination functions; the Press tested primarily how strong you were.


 The real question is should everyone in the military be required to do military press or be discharged.

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Re: Should the military press be restored to olympic lifting?
« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2011, 10:05:16 AM »
I love the Clean and Press, but it will never go back in.

Originally, there were 5 weightlifts in Olympic Lifting, the Snatch, C/J, C/P, and 1 handed versions of the C/J and Snatch. That was the original reason for the center knurling on Olympic bars.

While true that the C/P was eliminated partly because of infighting and mistakes in judging, particularly in regards to the amount of back bend, one of the other real reasons was the amount of time it takes to run a show or event, especially with TV being a big thing for the past few decades. It was too much time to run the full 5 lifts, then it became too much time to run the 3 lifts. If you've been to big meets, you've seen that it's a few seconds of excitement, and hours of boredom.

The Clean and Jerk was close enough to the C/p that it stayed, the C/P also had the lazy judging issue, so  it was an easy decision. In '72 it was gone.

It's a shame that the C/P didn't stay in the Olympics for the Americans. We actually fielded many great pressers till '72, I mean top 5, World Class lifters.  While a technical lift, it's still a bit like the Powerlifts where brute strength can overcome some technique problems.

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Re: Should the military press be restored to olympic lifting?
« Reply #24 on: November 02, 2011, 10:09:27 AM »
I love the Clean and Press, but it will never go back in.

Originally, there were 5 weightlifts in Olympic Lifting, the Snatch, C/J, C/P, and 1 handed versions of the C/J and Snatch. That was the original reason for the center knurling on Olympic bars.

While true that the C/P was eliminated partly because of infighting and mistakes in judging, particularly in regards to the amount of back bend, one of the other real reasons was the amount of time it takes to run a show or event, especially with TV being a big thing for the past few decades. It was too much time to run the full 5 lifts, then it became too much time to run the 3 lifts. If you've been to big meets, you've seen that it's a few seconds of excitement, and hours of boredom.

The Clean and Jerk was close enough to the C/J that it stayed, the C/P also had the lazy judging issue, so  it was an easy decision. In '72 it was gone.

It's a shame that the C/P didn't stay in the Olympics for the Americans. We actually fielded many great pressers till '72, I mean top 5, World Class lifters.  While a technical lift, it's still a bit like the Powerlifts where brute strength can overcome some technique problems.

How would a standing military press (with minimal "technique") compare to an Olympic press weight wise, assuming you practised both? 75-80%?