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Re: Joe Frazier
« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2011, 01:00:08 PM »
I agree with this totally.  Its a place where one goes when everyone has given up on you and no doctors or anyone care to try any last ditch efforts.  Fuck that.
I had a relative in hospice. He had dementia---had a wound that wouldn't heal properly, and just wasn't eating...he didn't know any of us.

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Re: Joe Frazier
« Reply #26 on: November 06, 2011, 01:28:55 PM »

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Re: Joe Frazier
« Reply #27 on: November 06, 2011, 01:34:43 PM »
Liver cancer can be an absolute bitch if it the growth becomes too aggressive, making it extremely difficult to operate.

I hope the best for Smokin Joe, he was a true champion for the people. Unbelievable heart on that guy.

liver cancer synonomous with hepatitis aswell, all diseases are linked and or have a ripple effect or trickle down effect whatever you want to call it
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Re: Joe Frazier
« Reply #28 on: November 06, 2011, 01:36:51 PM »
I had a relative in hospice. He had dementia---had a wound that wouldn't heal properly, and just wasn't eating...he didn't know any of us.

exactly what i had, a wound that wouldnt heal properly i didnt know what else to do , i tried antibiotics but they didnt work, all i could think of was that i should stop eating all that fucking meat. that did the trick and it healed
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Re: Joe Frazier
« Reply #29 on: November 06, 2011, 02:12:37 PM »
this is such sad news of a gentlemen and truly legendary sporting icon, i read his book smoking joe a few years ago and he tells of the disappointment and anger he had towards ali after all the help joe gave him when he was banned, ali ridiculed and belittled him, he was rightly bitter for many years.
wonderful to hear him talk of having no fear, i bet he aint showing any now either, fingers crossed for him.

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Re: Joe Frazier
« Reply #30 on: November 06, 2011, 02:22:20 PM »
Boxing great Joe Frazier, who went toe to toe three times with Muhammad Ali, including the famous "Thrilla in Manila" fight, is seriously ill with liver cancer and is in hospice, his personal and business manager said Saturday.

just a matter of time then.  :'(

what a legend.. let's hope his final days are pain free and peaceful

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Re: Joe Frazier
« Reply #31 on: November 06, 2011, 02:30:37 PM »
not much difference between being thrown in a dumpster and hospice, no food no water

this sick world has gotten you people into beleiveing that hospice is a good place

what a sick sick world

the hell with trying to get joe when he was going down hill to be a vegetarian. fuck that these fuckin cocky athletes think they can just overcome shit with will and special mental powers WTF is wrong with you people. Its the same people that beleive gregg plitt has special mental powers that allow him to have more motivation and just be better than everyone

everything is a science. sadly these athletes are too egotistical to even consider pusssy assed vegetarianism cause its for pussies right?

yeah "god bless joe frazier" that doesnt mean a damn thing you saying that , that shit doesnt help him nor will it help the next man that is dieing. YOU HAVE TO INFILTRATE PEOPLE AND PISS THEM THE FUCK OFF AND FORCE THE SOLUTION. IF THEY ARE DISOBEDIENT TO THE SOLUTION YOU KEEP BADGERING FORCING "FALCON" TYPE OF NUTRITIONAL KNOWLEDGE TO HELP YOUR FELLOW MAN

thats all you can do, give these sick people  my advice , thats real compassion not senseless compassion "oh i hope hell be alright maybe hell pull through"

you may have to really piss off a sick person to help them go down the right path
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Re: Joe Frazier
« Reply #32 on: November 06, 2011, 02:33:12 PM »
you would think that this man being a man sorrounded by money, same with steve jobs would have someone give them a falcon like influence in there lives , forcing them to be a vegetarian. but no in this world (wich is a good world) but full of sick minds , that kind of thinking will never cross there mind, its just too "touchy" for people to tell another how to eat.

I always give my family and cousins alot of shit , telling them how they should eat, im sure it annoys the fuck out them, but its the only way,
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Re: Joe Frazier
« Reply #33 on: November 06, 2011, 02:35:26 PM »
Shut the fuck up with your vegetarian nonsense already.

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Re: Joe Frazier
« Reply #34 on: November 06, 2011, 02:42:38 PM »
you coudl spend your life eating vegetables, going to church, smiling and reading poetry and walking for miles daily...

and there will always be some prick who drinks, smokes, and bangs whores all day who outlives you.

Genetics.

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Re: Joe Frazier
« Reply #35 on: November 06, 2011, 02:43:49 PM »
you would think that this man being a man sorrounded by money, same with steve jobs would have someone give them a falcon like influence in there lives , forcing them to be a vegetarian. but no in this world (wich is a good world) but full of sick minds , that kind of thinking will never cross there mind, its just too "touchy" for people to tell another how to eat.

I always give my family and cousins alot of shit , telling them how they should eat, im sure it annoys the fuck out them, but its the only way,
Actually Steve Jobs ate nearly EXACTLY like you at times.  Fruit only at times.

http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/02/8598251-the-strange-eating-habits-of-steve-jobs


The strange eating habits of Steve Jobs


By Melissa Dahl
No matter your opinion on the legacy of Steve Jobs, we can likely all agree on this: Dude had some unconventional health habits. The new biography by Walter Isaacson details some of the weirder ones, from extremely restrictive diets to questionable personal hygiene. (A personal favorite: One of his go-to stress relievers during Apple's early days was soaking his bare feet in the company toilets.)
We asked some nutrition experts to weigh in on some of the stranger, stricter eating habits of the legendary tech tycoon.

Apples-and-carrots only diet
The book details his occasional tendency to eat only one or two foods, like carrots or apples, for weeks at a time. Besides developing a sunset-like hue -- which those who worked with him are quoted as remembering -- there are other health issues that can come from adhering to such a limited diet, says Elisa Zied, registered dietitian and msnbc.com contributor.
"Although apples and carrots are healthful and provide carbohydrates, they have very little protein -- unlike fat and carbohydrates, protein can’t be stored in the body, so it’s important to consume enough protein rich foods each day," explains Zied, who's the author of the book, "Nutrition at Your Fingertips."
Protein provides the body with energy and structural support -- it also helps preserve lean muscle tissue that keeps your metabolism raring to go, and it supports muscle function. But if you don't take in enough protein, your body will miss out on essential amino acids, Zied says. "These essential amino acids are used to make body proteins ... that support growth and maintenance of body tissues."
Another drawback of a carrots- or apples-only diet: You aren't getting enough fat.
"Without enough dietary fat, your body’s fat stores can become depleted," Zied explains. "Your skin may suffer, you may feel more cold more often, and your organs and body tissues may be more vulnerable against injury -- especially risky for those with chronic illness."

Flirting with fruitarianism
Jobs also spent some time as a fruitarian, a subset of veganism that means eating only fruits, nuts, seeds, vegetables and grains -- absolutely no animal products. "Basically, the reproductive parts of plants that can be consumed without doing any harm to the plant itself," TODAY nutritionist Joy Bauer explains. This kind of diet does contain some very healthy foods, and many vegans manage to keep extremely healthful diets. But experts caution that without a careful eating plan, essential nutrients may be missing.
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"This type of diet is extremely restrictive as it eliminates dairy foods ...  and probably doesn’t contain enough dietary fat unless you’re eating lots of nuts and seeds," she explains. "And because the foods you can eat (or beverages you can drink) are so limited, you only get the nutrients provided in the specific foods."
Plus, it's an expensive diet to adhere to for a long period of time, Bauer points out.

Veganism and the tyranny of the daily shower

Jobs also believed that his commitment to vegan diets meant his body was flushed of mucus -- and that it meant he was free from body odor, so he didn't need to wear deodorant or shower regularly. Unsurprisingly, the book quotes former coworkers saying that he was very, very wrong.
Actually, the lack of complete proteins in vegan-style diets might impede the body's detoxification process, which "could make him smell even more," says JJ Virgin, nutrition expert and co-star of TLC's "Freaky Eaters." As for mucus -- Jobs may have had a point there. Dietary changes can help reduce the goo, especially for those who produce excessive mucus because of illness.

The agony and the ecstasy of fasting

Jobs would sometimes turn to fasting to create feelings of euphoria and ecstasy. What he was most likely experiencing was something called ketosis, which develops after a period of fasting and can lead to mild euphoria. When you're eating normally, glucose is the body's primary energy source, Zied explains. But when you're fasting, your body creates small chemicals called ketones that act as a substitute for glucose, and can be used for energy by most body cells.
"If your body makes more ketones than it needs to create energy, a dangerous condition called ketosis develops," Zied says. "This increases the loss of sodium and water from the body and can contribute to nausea, weakness, fatigue."
What do think of some of Jobs' more unusual eating habits? (And, hey -- keep it civil.) What's the weirdest diet you've ever tried?

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Re: Joe Frazier
« Reply #36 on: November 06, 2011, 02:44:19 PM »
Please someone just ban this moron Johnny Falcon, I'm fed up with his bullshit about vegetarians and stuff.

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Re: Joe Frazier
« Reply #37 on: November 06, 2011, 02:45:18 PM »
Actually Steve Jobs ate nearly EXACTLY like you at times.  Fruit only at times.

And how'd that work out?

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Re: Joe Frazier
« Reply #38 on: November 06, 2011, 02:46:06 PM »
Johnny,

You are aware that there is a direct link between fruit juice and MANY types of Cancer as well as over-consumption of fruit.

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Re: Joe Frazier
« Reply #39 on: November 06, 2011, 02:51:39 PM »
And how'd that work out?
Probably led to his early demise actually.  He was not too smart when it came to his health.  Finally when he decided to go full force with the technological route with modern medicine, he was doing the correct thing but by then it was too late.

This probably could have been fixed if he wasn`t so stubborn early on and tried various batshit treatments for a year or two before focusing on the Science of Cancer and true medicine.  He was a complete moron in that respect.

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Re: Joe Frazier
« Reply #40 on: November 06, 2011, 02:55:03 PM »
he didnt eat enough sugar thats why his pancreas failed, yes he ate some correct things but not nearly enough and not enough activity

did you also know that skinny people are more likely to die from a heart attack than a fat man
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Re: Joe Frazier
« Reply #41 on: November 06, 2011, 02:58:25 PM »
with all that $.... I would have found a way to convert my brain to work with some really cool iClone thing.

I'm sure they'll have them in 100 years, and the technology behind the scenes is always years ahead of what we see.


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Re: Joe Frazier
« Reply #42 on: November 06, 2011, 02:59:12 PM »
let me clarify many smokers suffer from pancreatic cancer. smokers especially eat alot less and are generally skinnier. there pancreas fails them if they dont get enough sugar, then they die. Steve jobs has been a very little fella, never enough calories never enough activity, you die young when you dont eat enough and do enough , of course there is variances because you can die from anything. he shouldve tried to gain weight by being a vegetarian. but he was keeping himself too small and malnourished

steve jobs probably had 2 apples a day and some celary. that shit will kill you eating barely nothing your body shuts down
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Re: Joe Frazier
« Reply #43 on: November 06, 2011, 03:03:05 PM »
he didnt eat enough sugar thats why his pancreas failed, yes he ate some correct things but not nearly enough and not enough activity

did you also know that skinny people are more likely to die from a heart attack than a fat man
Sugar is precisely what cancerous tumors feed and grow on.  Its the worst possible thing to ingest when one has cancer especially. 

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Re: Joe Frazier
« Reply #44 on: November 06, 2011, 03:03:33 PM »
adonis i would rather you argue with your own words instead of copy pasting dumb speculative shit. you do realize what i highlighted is completley false dont you?
Actually Steve Jobs ate nearly EXACTLY like you at times.  Fruit only at times.
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Veganism and the tyranny of the daily shower

Jobs also believed that his commitment to vegan diets meant his body was flushed of mucus -- and that it meant he was free from body odor, so he didn't need to wear deodorant or shower regularly. Unsurprisingly, the book quotes former coworkers saying that he was very, very wrong.
Actually, the lack of complete proteins in vegan-style diets might impede the body's detoxification process, which "could make him smell even more," says JJ Virgin, nutrition expert and co-star of TLC's "Freaky Eaters." As for mucus -- Jobs may have had a point there. Dietary changes can help reduce the goo, especially for those who produce excessive mucus because of illness.

The agony and the ecstasy of fasting

Jobs would sometimes turn to fasting to create feelings of euphoria and ecstasy. What he was most likely experiencing was something called ketosis, which develops after a period of fasting and can lead to mild euphoria. When you're eating normally, glucose is the body's primary energy source, Zied explains. But when you're fasting, your body creates small chemicals called ketones that act as a substitute for glucose, and can be used for energy by most body cells.
"If your body makes more ketones than it needs to create energy, a dangerous condition called ketosis develops," Zied says. "This increases the loss of sodium and water from the body and can contribute to nausea, weakness, fatigue."
What do think of some of Jobs' more unusual eating habits? (And, hey -- keep it civil.) What's the weirdest diet you've ever tried?
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Re: Joe Frazier
« Reply #45 on: November 06, 2011, 03:03:42 PM »
It was genetic.

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Re: Joe Frazier
« Reply #46 on: November 06, 2011, 03:04:41 PM »
It was genetic.
And it could have been taken care of if he wasn`t such a moron early on.

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Re: Joe Frazier
« Reply #47 on: November 06, 2011, 03:06:49 PM »
I disagree, he would have died from it anyway.

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Re: Joe Frazier
« Reply #48 on: November 06, 2011, 03:11:31 PM »
Sugar is precisely what cancerous tumors feed and grow on.  Its the worst possible thing to ingest when one has cancer especially. 

if you dont have sugar your body shuts down  and less effeciently. Metabolism goes way down

you need sugar, sugar will create an acidic environment, sugar creates a need for calcium in the body to break it down in order for your body to sustain a PH that is comfortable

if not enough calcium is present it draws upon bone marrow

this is why people take tums when they have indigestion , tums is calcium

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people that sit around too fucking much regardless of weight just wont live as long as someone more active and eats right
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Re: Joe Frazier
« Reply #49 on: November 06, 2011, 03:12:26 PM »
I disagree, he would have died from it anyway.
Most likely not as time is critical and he chose batshit methods such as acupuncture and fruit diets for the first 1-2 years without seeking real treatment.  Furthermore ALL CANCER is genetic, the trick is to not engage in behavior or habits that will turn on specific genes to produce such mutations and also, if the mutations are present and cancer cells are growing, to not feed them and destroy them as early as possible.


Steve Jobs behavior, diet and environment could have contributed to "turning on" his cancer.  Steve Jobs parents are both still alive and I am not sure there is a medical history of his type of cancer in his family.  I will have to read his Biography.