Minimum amount of carbs to eat on a bulk?

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Alpha you do any type of cardio?

only when I am cutting I do it post workout every time. Hardly ever when bulking

[howardroark]

Alpha, for some reason I always thought you were black (from your avatar over on ProM).

[AlphaMaleDawg]

And it's possible to grow like that?

I don't think he is saying that. He is just explaining how to get shredded abs without flexing them (aka losing water)

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Alpha, for some reason I always thought you were black (from your avatar over on ProM).

yea also because I have the word "dawg" in my user name, I could see why you would think that. It is honestly a dumb user name that I probably should have spent more than 2 seconds thinking about before creating it.

[GettingBig]

have you been able to gain mass on lowish carbs like 1g per lb of bodyweight?

to be honest I didn't try yet, but my first cutting cycle I kept and improved on high quality carbs and got ripped. that's as said after my very low carbs diet.

and I recently got serious about my diet and cutting/bulking. since I used to workout and eat clean keeping an expectable bf % and weight, but never looked ripped and I hated it.

I will try and see if I gain some mass now since I'm on a very low carbs this days and will let you know, even so I believe it's hard.

btw you look amazing bro.

[wes]

Cycle carbs,and drink boatloads of water and you`ll hold less fluid.

I mean tons of water and clean carbs only............not bread,bagels and cookies and shit.

[Galvatron]

even if carbs aren't essenstial it's stupid to go too low on carbs if you are trying to add mass because you need energy to lift and glycogen status will effect hormonal status in the body.  So i wouldn't go under 125-150g per day or so if you are looking to add mass (and that is a minimum).

[wes]

Experimenting with different amounts and going by the mirror and taking notes is a good thing to try also.

[Galvatron]

Experimenting with different amounts and going by the mirror and taking notes is a good thing to try also.

yup you always need to experiment some when it comes to training and nutrition. you can use generic advice as a starting point then you need to do some experimenting on your own.

some people do better with a bit lower carbs and a bit higher fat and others vice versa. but super low carbs when trying to add mass is not a good idea (when dieting that is a different situation).

[1stkeepitreal]

Cycle carbs,and drink boatloads of water and you`ll hold less fluid.

I mean tons of water and clean carbs only............not bread,bagels and cookies and shit.

X2

Best and simplest advice on this thread!

[aesthetics]

even if carbs aren't essenstial it's stupid to go too low on carbs if you are trying to add mass because you need energy to lift and glycogen status will effect hormonal status in the body.  So i wouldn't go under 125-150g per day or so if you are looking to add mass (and that is a minimum).

yes but inversely, on the other end of the spectrum, when you eat too many carbs your insulin resistance goes up and you end up with fatty liver and the "hgh gut" that all the pros have. i think like everything, moderation is the best route. i don't agree with the dante philosophy that you need 7,000 calories a day to grow, that's ridiculous, especially for someone only running 2 grams a week.

[Galvatron]

yes but inversely, on the other end of the spectrum, when you eat too many carbs your insulin resistance goes up and you end up with fatty liver and the "hgh gut" that all the pros have. i think like everything, moderation is the best route. i don't agree with the dante philosophy that you need 7,000 calories a day to grow, that's ridiculous, especially for someone only running 2 grams a week.

it depends on the situation. i mean if you are 300lbs pro bodybuilder (and using insulin, gh etc) and you need 6000 calories per day in the offseason then the calories have to come from somewhere.....

a 180lbs natural will just  get fat as a pig eating 6000 calories (unless you have an extremely physically demanding job....)

so 'too many carbs' depends on the specific situation

[AlphaMaleDawg]

to be honest I didn't try yet, but my first cutting cycle I kept and improved on high quality carbs and got ripped. that's as said after my very low carbs diet.

and I recently got serious about my diet and cutting/bulking. since I used to workout and eat clean keeping an expectable bf % and weight, but never looked ripped and I hated it.

I will try and see if I gain some mass now since I'm on a very low carbs this days and will let you know, even so I believe it's hard.

btw you look amazing bro.

Yea I mean if I can still grow on like 300g of carbs, that would be awesome. I would hate to eat more or even less than that to be honest. I couldn't do the under 1g per lb shit, even to lose weight

and thanks

[AlphaMaleDawg]

even if carbs aren't essenstial it's stupid to go too low on carbs if you are trying to add mass because you need energy to lift and glycogen status will effect hormonal status in the body.  So i wouldn't go under 125-150g per day or so if you are looking to add mass (and that is a minimum).

oh yea I wasn't talking about that low. I love eating carbs but once it gets to under 200g a day, I go insane. I just hate having to eat like 450g of carbs daily just to hit the arbitrary 2g per lb amount

[AlphaMaleDawg]

yes but inversely, on the other end of the spectrum, when you eat too many carbs your insulin resistance goes up and you end up with fatty liver and the "hgh gut" that all the pros have. i think like everything, moderation is the best route. i don't agree with the dante philosophy that you need 7,000 calories a day to grow, that's ridiculous, especially for someone only running 2 grams a week.

yea and I'm only one gram total with 5iu hgh. 7k cals a day is a bad idea for nearly anyone.

[Galvatron]

oh yea I wasn't talking about that low. I love eating carbs but once it gets to under 200g a day, I go insane. I just hate having to eat like 450g of carbs daily just to hit the arbitrary 2g per lb amount

well it also obviously depends on your overall caloric needs.

[madg]

i cycle carb over years this works best for me for mass

i do 4 train chest/shoulder day is high carb-back/traps is high carb-legs is high carb -arms is moderate carb and 3 off days is 0 carb

but again after experiment i found this for me..that what i tell all my friend all time ,with diet everyone need experiment

[nosleep]

I GO HIGH PROTEIN HIGH FAT MODERATE CARB..CARBS ARE LIKE A GRAM PER BODY WEIGHT GIVE OR TAKE A FEW. I JUST UP THE FAT INTAKE.

SAME CALORIE AMOUNT YET MY WEIGHT WENT DOWN 1-2LBS BUT ALL ON MY FACE...THIS IS WHEN JUST ON TEST AND MAST.

WHEN ON HGH I HAD TO UP THE CALS AND FROM CARBS MAINLY BECAUSE I WAS CRAVING THEM.

I DONT SUBSCRIBE TO THIS 20 X BW CALORIE OR 2G PROTEIN PER LB OR 2G CARB PER LB. I JUST EAT WHEN IM HUNGRY BUT GET MY PROTEIN IN AND TRY TO KEEP WATER RETENTIN DAY ROUND MINIMAL BY GETTING EXTRA CALS FROM FAT LIKE PEANUT BUTTER, NUTS, AND THINGS LIKE SALMON. WHEN I DO CRAVE CARBS...USUALLY AFTER ANY TYPE OF EXERCISE I EAT SOME RICE AND FRUIT WITH LIKE CHICKEN OR EVEN SUSHI. 

[AlphaMaleDawg]

for all the guys saying to cycle carbs, I know this is a good idea but it would just inconvenience my life and I don't really want to. Just being honest. I know it is good advice though. I believe there are other ways to accomplish it.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

I GO HIGH PROTEIN HIGH FAT MODERATE CARB..CARBS ARE LIKE A GRAM PER BODY WEIGHT GIVE OR TAKE A FEW. I JUST UP THE FAT INTAKE.

SAME CALORIE AMOUNT YET MY WEIGHT WENT DOWN 1-2LBS BUT ALL ON MY FACE...THIS IS WHEN JUST ON TEST AND MAST.

WHEN ON HGH I HAD TO UP THE CALS AND FROM CARBS MAINLY BECAUSE I WAS CRAVING THEM.

I DONT SUBSCRIBE TO THIS 20 X BW CALORIE OR 2G PROTEIN PER LB OR 2G CARB PER LB. I JUST EAT WHEN IM HUNGRY BUT GET MY PROTEIN IN AND TRY TO KEEP WATER RETENTIN DAY ROUND MINIMAL BY GETTING EXTRA CALS FROM FAT LIKE PEANUT BUTTER, NUTS, AND THINGS LIKE SALMON. WHEN I DO CRAVE CARBS...USUALLY AFTER ANY TYPE OF EXERCISE I EAT SOME RICE AND FRUIT WITH LIKE CHICKEN OR EVEN SUSHI. 

And you grow on 1g of carbs per lb of bodyweight? This is what I am trying to figure out because I'd rather do that and still be able to grow. It would take away the bloated look I keep getting

[nosleep]

And you grow on 1g of carbs per lb of bodyweight? This is what I am trying to figure out because I'd rather do that and still be able to grow. It would take away the bloated look I keep getting

I DIDNT GROW CAUSE OF 1G OF CARBS. I GREW BECAUSE I USED STEROIDS. SERIOUS FUCKING TRUTH THERE.

ONLY THING CHANGED WHEN I ADDED THE GEAR WAS I WAS HUNGRIER FOR 1-3 MORE MEALS A DAY, THATS AN EXTRA 40-120G PROTEIN AND AN EXTRA 15-45G FAT AND MAYBE AN EXTRA 20G CARBS IF EVEN THAT.

HIGH PROTEIN AND SUFFICIENT CALORIES ARE ALL THAT REALLY MATTERS. IF UR SCARED OF WATER RETENTION DURING THE DAY LIKE ME, BE A LITTLE MORE ANAL ABOUT IT AND FOCUS ON THE FATS. MY CALS WERE HIGH CAUSE MY FAT AND PROTEIN WERE HIGH.

HIGH CARBS MADE ME A BIT MORE VASCULAR, BUT NOT WORTH IT AT THE COST OF A LITTLE PUFFIER FACE. I LOVE EPIC LEAN FACE, BUT I LOVE GAINS SO I JUST ADDED MORE CALS...BUT FROM FAT.

[aesthetics]

it depends on the situation. i mean if you are 300lbs pro bodybuilder (and using insulin, gh etc) and you need 6000 calories per day in the offseason then the calories have to come from somewhere.....

a 180lbs natural will just  get fat as a pig eating 6000 calories (unless you have an extremely physically demanding job....)

so 'too many carbs' depends on the specific situation

well, no one is talking about being natural here lol. it is different when you are running pro-bodybuilder dosages though, running 6 grams of steroids a week is going to burn a lot of calories in and of it self. but the reason pro-bodybuilders have such disgusting bodies is because they eat those 7,000-10,000 calories a day, it's not the slin or the hgh itself but at the same time i don't think there's really any other way to hit 300 pounds at 8% bodyfat without going to such extremes with the food.

[aesthetics]

oh yea I wasn't talking about that low. I love eating carbs but once it gets to under 200g a day, I go insane. I just hate having to eat like 450g of carbs daily just to hit the arbitrary 2g per lb amount

100g carbs from an actual real food source pre-w/o and then another 100 p-wo. hgh and a gram of test will both give you some bloat, it's just part of the game, and there's not much you can do about it (assuming your ai isn't bunk). maybe some mast will help but that stuff will make your hair shed like crazy

[AlphaMaleDawg]

I DIDNT GROW CAUSE OF 1G OF CARBS. I GREW BECAUSE I USED STEROIDS. SERIOUS FUCKING TRUTH THERE.

ONLY THING CHANGED WHEN I ADDED THE GEAR WAS I WAS HUNGRIER FOR 1-3 MORE MEALS A DAY, THATS AN EXTRA 40-120G PROTEIN AND AN EXTRA 15-45G FAT AND MAYBE AN EXTRA 20G CARBS IF EVEN THAT.

HIGH PROTEIN AND SUFFICIENT CALORIES ARE ALL THAT REALLY MATTERS. IF UR SCARED OF WATER RETENTION DURING THE DAY LIKE ME, BE A LITTLE MORE ANAL ABOUT IT AND FOCUS ON THE FATS. MY CALS WERE HIGH CAUSE MY FAT AND PROTEIN WERE HIGH.

HIGH CARBS MADE ME A BIT MORE VASCULAR, BUT NOT WORTH IT AT THE COST OF A LITTLE PUFFIER FACE. I LOVE EPIC LEAN FACE, BUT I LOVE GAINS SO I JUST ADDED MORE CALS...BUT FROM FAT.

This is exactly the type of shit I wanted to read. We are pretty much the same. I HATE the puffy face. It ruins my general every-day confidence. Now I don't feel so bad not doing the 2g of carbs per lb stuff

[AlphaMaleDawg]

100g carbs from an actual real food source pre-w/o and then another 100 p-wo. hgh and a gram of test will both give you some bloat, it's just part of the game, and there's not much you can do about it (assuming your ai isn't bunk). maybe some mast will help but that stuff will make your hair shed like crazy

no I am on 1 gram of total gear, not test. I am only on 490mg of prop and 525mg of tren ace. The reason my test isn't high is exactly due to water retention. And to clarify with the hgh, I am using 10iu 4x per week post workout. I shoot it all at once after my workout. I am also on 25mg of proviron every day. Not using an AI