Iran being demonized by US media

[freespirit]

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[OTHstrong]

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Bro i am not on amyone side but a 2 year old can see that the chart is biased, cmon Wiggs you are smart you know this.

[Wiggs]

Bro i am not on amyone side but a 2 year old can see that the chart is biased, cmon Wiggs you are smart you know this.

Even so, It's fact that Palestine has been consistantly hamstrung.

[OTHstrong]

Even so, It's fact that Palestine has been consistantly hamstrung.

true, but let's not exagerate the details and this will make for a good thread

[Action Bronson]

Since the beginning of time there has been rules in warfar that evn the most barbaric savages wouldn't break. When 2 generals go out on the field to discuss terms no one gets touched. It is a soldiers duty to die for their country. 10 000 soldier dieingt in battle does not replace even 1 innocent child of 6 years to get melted alive, or have a 7 year little girl with 100 broken bones burried under a 5 story building rubble of concrete for 72 houres waiting till she dies of dehydration. 1000 were burnt alive  to death, 1000 of woman and children lived for years after that with amputated body parts and deseease that are full of pain and torutre. This is not warfar, it is cowardly and no glory involved. You can't justify the pain and sufferment it caused. Worst torment in the history of warfar and the worst part of it is it was done to civilians most of who were opposed to war. Nothing can justify this, trust me even the ones that did it regreted it.

How could take the side of someone who is going to stop a war by grabbing a 100 babies from there cribs smashing them so all there bone break and leaving them to die in a painful way

How can you take the side of someone who is going to stop a war by seting innocent civilians on fire by the hundreds and watching them squirm til they die.

How can you take the side of someone who can take 100 people and bury them alive

How can you take the side of someone who can take 100 people and there eyes out and take another 100 people and cut of a limb and take another 100 people break 20 bones on each one and then leave them alive

All these horrors combined occured and way more, the torcher and torment was of demonic nature and the sufferment was of satanic proportions. The collater damage in war must be fraction in respect to the war, fro example maybe 10% or in certain cases as high as 20% but never done deliberate anyway but in Japen it was 98% collateral damage. No general with class would take part in such disasters.

Not that I justify the bombing of japan but do you know of the atrocities commited against chinese civilians (infants and children) by the japanese? Talk about barbaric...

[tbombz]

what side?,,americana = isreal,, there is  no side,, americnaa and israel is one country ,,israel is the 51 state of the united states of america INFACT! anything isreal start ....americana will finish and vise versa

there is no sides....americanos and isrealos are same ,, same exact people ,, all inteligence is working together ,, everything ordered by americana goverment where americnaa can not seen as doing...is done by isreal ,, and vise versa,,

the 2 countries which as i said is one country are so close....that today its hard to seperate them when it come to top missions which are doen together wether you know it or not,,you have ireali pilots in idayton ohio flyign americano aircraft for americano airforce ....actualy FLYING IT lol into missions! the 2 countries = 1

and both want iran with out nuclear wepn ,, they will go into war on this one

gh15 approved

isreal and palestein are the two sides.

[OTHstrong]

Not that I justify the bombing of japan but do you know of the atrocities commuted against chinese civilians (infants and children) by the japanese? Talk about barbaric...

Yes fully aware, I have studied history but that was in a different era, fucken savages, shit man the more you look back at mankind, fuck the whole planet has cause horror.

[reppingfor20]

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wbhwhahwhahahhahhaha great post !

[Fury]

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Got to laugh at people who actually give a fuck about the UN's opinion.

4,000+ Syrians have been killed by Bashar Al-Assad in the last six months and the UN can't even agree on a sternly-worded letter of condemnation but if Israel or the US kills a single civilian the entire organization screams bloody murder. Can't expect much, though, when the Human Rights council is dominated by some of the most egregious violators of human rights on the planet. 

Elect Ron Paul so we can stop funding this shitty, corrupt, incompetent organization.

[tbombz]

Got to laugh at people who actually give a fuck about the UN's opinion.

4,000+ Syrians have been killed by Bashar Al-Assad in the last six months and the UN can't even agree on a sternly-worded letter of condemnation but if Israel or the US kills a single civilian the entire organization screams bloody murder. Can't expect much, though, when the Human Rights council is dominated by some of the most egregious violators of human rights on the planet. 

Elect Ron Paul so we can stop funding this shitty, corrupt, incompetent organization.

way to reverberate talking points like a fucking moron

the u.n. can not do anything without u.s. approval. the u.n. can not do anything to stop any actions the u.s. wants to take.  there is absolutely no reason to be opposed to the u.n. on any grounds. it is the attempt, and the progress towards, world cooperation.

[apply85]

what side?,,americana = isreal,, there is  no side,, americnaa and israel is one country ,,israel is the 51 state of the united states of america INFACT! anything isreal start ....americana will finish and vise versa

there is no sides....americanos and isrealos are same ,, same exact people ,, all inteligence is working together ,, everything ordered by americana goverment where americnaa can not seen as doing...is done by isreal ,, and vise versa,,

the 2 countries which as i said is one country are so close....that today its hard to seperate them when it come to top missions which are doen together wether you know it or not,,you have ireali pilots in idayton ohio flyign americano aircraft for americano airforce ....actualy FLYING IT lol into missions! the 2 countries = 1

and both want iran with out nuclear wepn ,, they will go into war on this one

gh15 approved

THis is correct, but it is a little bit misleading... israel simply has too much leverage for the US to abandon it, that's why the saudies who give us oil make no mention of it to our face even though they have so much leverage with us because they went behind opec and gave us oil. Of course they turn around and fund iran's agenda against the US, but this is mostly to save face in the muslim world because they lose face by giving us oil, but also because some people in saudi arabia are a part of the iranian empire so that's that

this game that iran is playing by goading israel, america's military base in the middle east, into bombing it's technological infrustructure also has to do with leverage. if iran actually made nules they would panic lol, they think, this was never meant to happen... we only wanted the possibility of nukes as leverage, not actual nukes. if irael bombs iran there will be photos of dying people, dignitaries making eloquent speeches, and then when iran has their hand in libya the rest of the world shrugs and says, well we'll let them have it, I mean they got BOMBED, come on let them have it...

people think wars are about things like oil or whatever or idealogy, no no, the value of these things is what do they translate to in the language of power, how much leverage do they give us and of course what infrastructure do we have that allow us to use this leverage, because oil without refinaries is dirt, and it's not so much that gasoline is needed to fuel cars, but now our dependence on saudi arabia is lowered to their price is lowered and israel sits a little easier, and things like the invasion of iraq and libya don't happen therefor relieving america from the status of evil empire is lifted and we have more say in matters like the g20 or whatever it is, not to mention the dollar is worth more because we need not spend money on war, therefor giving us leverage with china because now chinese investments in america are not needed...

israel costs us xyz amount of money because muslim countries who sell us oil say pay us a higher price because we dont like israel fuck you, they also cost us money to protect them, they cost us leverage in a lot of places, in any organization that includes muslim countries, we have less say because of israel, but then again we have jewish investments in america, we have some jewish leaders, and of course it scores us points in organizations where there are countires that sympathize with israel, but if the price of israel one day became to high, trust me they would be cut off... there is already anti jewish sentiment in the US, and if saudi arabia did not go behind opec to give us oil when they did, israel may not have celebrated its 42nd birthday

[Fury]

way to reverberate talking points like a fucking moron

the u.n. can not do anything without u.s. approval. the u.n. can not do anything to stop any actions the u.s. wants to take.  there is absolutely no reason to be opposed to the u.n. on any grounds. it is the attempt, and the progress towards, world cooperation.

Please shut the fuck up about topics you know nothing about (i.e. everything). So you think the US isn't approving of a sternly-worded letter of condemnation for Syria?  

The UN is the most wasteful, corrupt and incompetent organization on the planet and the US has no purpose being in it. Not only that, but we're on the hook for over $6 billion a year (~23% of its yearly operating budget, Japan is responsible for another ~11-13%) despite the fact that there are 196 nations in it.

Like the League of Nations when the dictators, despots and tyrants became the majority, the UN has outlived its purpose.

[OTHstrong]

No country on the planet can do what they want in this day and age, to many people in the world to control, public opinion is power.. So it has nothing to do with what UN and US cooperate on, it's what the public is in favour on, and they usually side with UN

[OTHstrong]

Please shut the fuck up about topics you know nothing about (i.e. everything). So you think the US isn't approving of a sternly-worded letter of condemnation for Syria?  

The UN is the most wasteful, corrupt and incompetent organization on the planet and the US has no purpose being in it. Not only that, but we're on the hook for over $6 billion a year (~23% of its yearly operating budget, Japan is responsible for another ~11-13%) despite the fact that there are 196 nations in it.

Like the League of Nations when the dictators, despots and tyrants became the majority, the UN has outlived its purpose.

I was just about to comment  on your post but got deleted, probably because it was a little bit far-fetched.

[Grape Ape]

good post and to the point.  It isn't if it saved lives, it is the act itself.  The people of Japan wanted to fight for the emperor and their country.  The US was too cowardly to stand up to them and fight them because they knew the Japanese were so loyal they would fight till most of them where dead, so the US took the pusssies way out.

Go fuck yourself.  You've been told that you have no knowledge base of anything outside of a hanging scrotum, and you're too fucking stupid to converse with adults.

Japan attacked the US.  The US warned Japan what would happen if the war did not end.  Japan ignored the warnings.

Was it unfortunate that it had to happen?  Yes.  Atrocious?  Unfathomably.   But an invasion of Japan, which appeared to have been the only other way to end the war, would have cost even more lives.

[tu_holmes]

what side?,,americana = isreal,, there is  no side,, americnaa and israel is one country ,,israel is the 51 state of the united states of america INFACT! anything isreal start ....americana will finish and vise versa

there is no sides....americanos and isrealos are same ,, same exact people ,, all inteligence is working together ,, everything ordered by americana goverment where americnaa can not seen as doing...is done by isreal ,, and vise versa,,

the 2 countries which as i said is one country are so close....that today its hard to seperate them when it come to top missions which are doen together wether you know it or not,,you have ireali pilots in idayton ohio flyign americano aircraft for americano airforce ....actualy FLYING IT lol into missions! the 2 countries = 1

and both want iran with out nuclear wepn ,, they will go into war on this one

gh15 approved

I disagree... Puerto Rico is the 51st state.

[reppingfor20]

Go fuck yourself.  You've been told that you have no knowledge base of anything outside of a hanging scrotum, and you're too fucking stupid to converse with adults.

Japan attacked the US.  The US warned Japan what would happen if the war did not end.  Japan ignored the warnings.

Was it unfortunate that it had to happen?  Yes.  Atrocious?  Unfathomably.   But an invasion of Japan, which appeared to have been the only other way to end the war, would have cost even more lives.

So I am suppose to just turn around like a bitch and take it up the ass because some GOP non thinker who listens to conservative dribble tells me I have no knowledge?  LOL get lost.  You tend and most conservatives tend not to think for themselves, it's pretty obvious, since you can tell what they will say based on what Rush said earlier that day or what some Fox news person has said.

The bottom line is not that it saved lives, it is that Japan wanted to fight to the death, they loved their emperor and their country, more loyal than most Americans.  The Americans where afraid of a full invasion and knew they would lose so many soldiers they took the pussy way out, like a sucker punch in a fight.  It saves time, but it's a pussy move.

Also if you talking about saving lives, didn't George W Bush send US military oversees after an unknown enemy and invade a country based on lies and lost more soldiers lives than where lost on 9/11, what a total lose and tragedy for the families.

[Grape Ape]

So I am suppose to just turn around like a bitch and take it up the ass because some GOP non thinker who listens to conservative dribble tells me I have no knowledge?  LOL get lost.  You tend and most conservatives tend not to think for themselves, it's pretty obvious, since you can tell what they will say based on what Rush said earlier that day or what some Fox news person has said.

I'm a registered independent, dipshit.  I never watch Fox News, nor do I listen to Rush Limbaugh.   I actually do think for myself, and check my facts before posting.  Regardless of affiliation, you're just plain wrong all the time.

The bottom line is not that it saved lives, it is that Japan wanted to fight to the death, they loved their emperor and their country, more loyal than most Americans.  The Americans where afraid of a full invasion and knew they would lose so many soldiers they took the pussy way out, like a sucker punch in a fight.  It saves time, but it's a pussy move.

A sucker punch by definition, means no warning.  The US warned Japan about the bomb on multiple occasions.  Mark another "WRONG" in your column.  But, if you can wrap your incredibly small ability to think for a second, you just criticized America for taking a route that would save more American lives.

Also if you talking about saving lives, didn't George W Bush send US military oversees after an unknown enemy and invade a country based on lies and lost more soldiers lives than where lost on 9/11, what a total lose and tragedy for the families.

What the fuck does that have to do with the topic at hand.  Holy deflection, Batman! (or, in your case, Buttman).

[OTHstrong]

Go fuck yourself.  You've been told that you have no knowledge base of anything outside of a hanging scrotum, and you're too fucking stupid to converse with adults.

Japan attacked the US.  The US warned Japan what would happen if the war did not end.  Japan ignored the warnings.

Was it unfortunate that it had to happen?  Yes.  Atrocious?  Unfathomably.   But an invasion of Japan, which appeared to have been the only other way to end the war, would have cost even more lives.

Bro, I think America is a good country at present and contribute a great deal of good things globaly, but like I said at the present. Seriously don't fall for this horseshit propaganda that nuking civilians was the only way, no one currently serving in the military as a senior officer world wide will agree with you. Miliatary is abuot honour and glory not demonic acts based on a few assholes who couldn't wait to try out there knew technology like some 6 year old who can't wait to play with his new toy.

"the only way to end the war'' you bought that line. Trigger happy Pre-madonnas is all this was, it was a massacre and against every the geneva convention stands for, it was war crimes against humanity and against every military principle since the greco-roman days.

If it would have cost more lives, the lives would have been soldiers not civilians and not innocent old ladies and infant babies, it would have been men that have been sworn in have voluntarly agrred to die  and experience the horrors of war

.......but like I said the US today would never do that and has become a great nation

[reppingfor20]

I'm a registered independent, dipshit.  I never watch Fox News, nor do I listen to Rush Limbaugh.   I actually do think for myself, and check my facts before posting.  Regardless of affiliation, you're just plain wrong all the time.

A sucker punch by definition, means no warning.  The US warned Japan about the bomb on multiple occasions.  Mark another "WRONG" in your column.  But, if you can wrap your incredibly small ability to think for a second, you just criticized America for taking a route that would save more American lives.

What the fuck does that have to do with the topic at hand.  Holy deflection, Batman! (or, in your case, Buttman).

That is good to hear that you are not another GOP spewing idiot that listens to talk radio.  I am sure you have some wrong things you have posted, I have too, but to claim I am wrong or you are wrong ALL the time is beyond rational.  It is like Rush Limbaugh saying he is right 99.5% of the time, it is just stupid.  

Sucker punch, similar, yeah they warned Japan, but the civilians were defenseless against the A bomb, ok then let's compare it to kicking someone when their unconscious in the head.  Is that better for you to understand?  The civilians in the cities where defenseless, making it a terrorist act and major pussy move by the US.

The last point was you said it would save lives, the a bomb would save lives.  Did it, no one knows.  The US was scared to lose soldiers though as they always are.  Compare it to 9/11, 3,000 some people died, ok terrorist killed 3,000 people, if the US wanted to save lives, they wouldn't have sent over their soldiers only to lose more than 3,000 soldier's lives in return, they would have kept their soldiers home and saved their lives.  The US could have spent the time to build up security inside the country and for it's incoming plans, boats, people, etc etc, instead of sending over US troops.  

[reppingfor20]

Bro, I think America is a good country at present and contribute a great deal of good things globaly, but like I said at the present. Seriously don't fall for this horseshit propaganda that nuking civilians was the only way, no one currently serving in the military as a senior officer world wide will agree with you. Miliatary is abuot honour and glory not demonic acts based on a few assholes who couldn't wait to try out there knew technology like some 6 year old who can't wait to play with his new toy.

"the only way to end the war'' you bought that line. Trigger happy Pre-madonnas is all this was, it was a massacre and against every the geneva convention stands for, it was war crimes against humanity and against every military principle since the greco-roman days.

If it would have cost more lives, the lives would have been soldiers not civilians and not innocent old ladies and infant babies, it would have been men that have been sworn in have voluntarly agrred to die  and experience the horrors of war

.......but like I said the US today would never do that and has become a great nation

good post

[apply85]

honor and glory 

[OTHstrong]

honor and glory 

Politicians that start war are scum, most of them anyway, and yes war is profitable business and the ones behind the scene have no honour, but let's not forget that countries by the hundreds have struggled to survive in this world throughout the last 5000 years and many races have completely been knocked off the map, we have knowned less the 200 years of piece in the last 5000 so yes the simple soldier trying to defend his race, for him it is about honour and glory.

[apply85]

honor and glory is rhetoric, one of the things soldiers are promised is high status when they come back from war, of course this is nothing compared to the trauma they endured, really it's sad and pathetic that honor and glory is what they trade their lives for. What glory, who gets doors opened for them because they served, who has their meals paid for in restaurants, who gets laid because of being a solider... no one, especially not sailors, if ur in the navy dont tell women that they'll think you're gay lol

[Grape Ape]

Sucker punch, similar, yeah they warned Japan, but the civilians were defenseless against the A bomb, ok then let's compare it to kicking someone when their unconscious in the head.  Is that better for you to understand?  The civilians in the cities where defenseless, making it a terrorist act and major pussy move by the US.

It's a pussy move to not want to lose more than the 400,000 they already lost?  The warned Japan, then dropped leaflets in the cities telling them to evacuate.  And, once again to illustrate the point you seem to forget - THEY STARTED IT.

The last point was you said it would save lives, the a bomb would save lives.  Did it, no one knows.  The US was scared to lose soldiers though as they always are.  Compare it to 9/11, 3,000 some people died, ok terrorist killed 3,000 people, if the US wanted to save lives, they wouldn't have sent over their soldiers only to lose more than 3,000 soldier's lives in return, they would have kept their soldiers home and saved their lives.  The US could have spent the time to build up security inside the country and for it's incoming plans, boats, people, etc etc, instead of sending over US troops.  

American lives is the point, and that's indisputable.

In the same papragraph, you state that the US is "always scared to lose soldiers" and then state they jumped the gun and shipped soldiers to die in Iraq.  Do you see how you make little sense.  You're all over the map.  onetime shares your opinion in concept - you should just sit back and read his posts and learn how to have a coherant discussion.