And Wes, I trained with AAU bodybuilder Joe Bucci in his home-garage-gym and also the Natural Ron Coleman grew up close to me, we also trained at the same gym, he guessed posed once, they carried him out in a coffin...Derrick Whisett trained in Trenton, NJ...Man's World, owner Joe Dodd recently just passed, I trained there, saw Derrick, Phil Hill, Greg Kovach and Mike Morris there a few times...Good old days!