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Author Topic: Collar grip, behind the neck, shoulder press.  (Read 1356 times)
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« on: November 22, 2011, 10:08:15 AM »

I tried these the other day after watching some Olympic lifters do them on YouTube... Way easier on the shoulders than traditiinal behind the neck presses, but isolate the heck out of your delts. Why aren't these more popular?
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« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2011, 10:23:56 AM »

 Grin maybe because dumb bells are better.


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« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2011, 10:33:31 AM »

One man's opinion...and thats not nearly as wide as a collar grip
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« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2011, 12:28:11 PM »

This is just my opinion, and I have no scientific proof to support it, but...
Executed properly, many Olympic lifts are considerably safer than conventional bodybuilding movements.
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« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2011, 06:06:55 AM »

behind the neck presses do work the delts good but for me are a very high risk exercise...regardless of my grip. A wide grip will reduce the range of motion and opens your shoulder joints up for a potential injury...but hey, i am no expert but  a SEXPERT.. Cheesy
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« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2011, 06:37:53 AM »

Personally they would kill my shoulders using a grip that wide..........I do like presses behind the neck though,as well as my all time favorite,Bradford Presses.
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« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2011, 06:52:57 AM »

Personally they would kill my shoulders using a grip that wide..........I do like presses behind the neck though,as well as my all time favorite,Bradford Presses.


The few times I've done Bradfords, I've placed them at the end of my session - after my heavier pressing and isolation work - at which point my delts are about as warmed up as they're going to be.
Also, I don't need quite as much weight by this point as when I was fresher.

Wes, I presume you do them with the bar just clearing the top of the head?
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« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2011, 04:59:35 AM »

Wes, I presume you do them with the bar just clearing the top of the head?
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« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2011, 12:10:13 PM »

For me behind the neck does not feel good in the shoulder socket.  Lots of pressure in a bad way no matter what the weight or how good the form.  So I just do military press in the front and it seems to work fine.  I'm guessing it might depend on the individuals joints, flexibility, etc as to if they want to do behind the neck.  But I dunno, just my experience so far.
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« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2011, 11:56:11 AM »

For me behind the neck does not feel good in the shoulder socket.  Lots of pressure in a bad way no matter what the weight or how good the form.  So I just do military press in the front and it seems to work fine.  I'm guessing it might depend on the individuals joints, flexibility, etc as to if they want to do behind the neck.  But I dunno, just my experience so far.
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« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2011, 08:59:09 AM »

Tried it - left shoulder is pretty pissed now... a last time for everything I guess.
If you've got healthy ones it's an awesome lift.
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« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2011, 09:37:04 AM »

With an extra wide  collar grip, the press behind the neck becomes more of an extension (out and away from the body) movement rather than a pure pressing one. Which in return places more pressure/leverage on the rotor cuff. Even more so if the bar is  lowered near or below  the nap of the neck or around ear level. With a grip slightly wider than shoulder it becomes more of a pressing movement, the original idea of the exercise. And in general terms, a safer exercise for most people.

Even with a normal shoulder width grip this exercise is not meant for everyone. Some do not take the  time to warmup and stretch the shoulder girdle before preforming the movement. Plus lowering the bar too far down the back. Some guy's just aren't born with the bio mechanics (muscle insert or bone leverage placement, etc) to do this exercise with any serious intent. And they should not in most cases. If having no problems with the PBN, than enjoy the benefits of this mass builder, but with a regular grip. And do warmup.

Olympic lifters are much more flexible than BB'ers and are accustomed to using a heavier weight overhead. Though I don't recall ever seeing any lifter lower the bar much beyond the head range. Might be some, I don't know. For the most part, they are working on their overhead holding and pressing out strength from that position. Also front Jerk presses to help with the total overhead lockouts. Good Luck

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« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2011, 08:42:43 PM »

I usually do a couple sets of BTN presses strict style after my military presses, shoulders nice and warmed up and stop at eye level, very controlled movement.
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