Ron Paul owns Newt

[Soul Crusher]

Bush enacted the Patriot Act...

and instead of being outraged, you make excuses and continue Newt.. The shit you say Obama supporters do.. Dude get some consistency.

LOL.   Other police state shit is far far worse than the Patriot Act that pre-dates Bush.

Question - are you talking to terrorist overseas and laundering money?   

[Option D]

LOL.   Other police state shit is far far worse than the Patriot Act that pre-dates Bush.

Question - are you talking to terrorist overseas and laundering money?   

The policy that is called  The Patriot act took Police State to another level. And made it Quasi Legal.... Dont give me that bullshit. You know how you try to muddy up an argument in order to keep from saying whats right. We see right through your dumb ass. Plain bottom line, Newt wants to expand the Police state and you support that.

Thats point blank period

[Soul Crusher]

The policy that is called  The Patriot act took Police State to another level. And made it Quasi Legal.... Dont give me that bullshit. You know how you try to muddy up an argument in order to keep from saying whats right. We see right through your dumb ass. Plain bottom line, Newt wants to expand the Police state and you support that.

Thats point blank period

Oh please - GMAFB.   Thats pure nonsense.

[reppingfor20]

Higher taxes -- for the rich or the not rich -- are a bad thing. It's not "better" by any stretch of the imagination for anyone to have more of their money confiscated.

You seem to assume that the rich people are rich because of the work everybody else does, and not because of their own work. To be sure, there are those who inherit money and are in such a position. But don't envy such people -- their money isn't yours and even if it were, you'd have done no better with it.

I don't know or case what "O Reily" said. And, frankly, you don't know me nearly as well as you think do. I don't care for money qua money. I care for what that money represents -- or what it's supposed to represent. And I simply have had enough of a government that punishes me for my success by forcing me to part with more of my income the harder I work. I simply have had enough of a governent that treats me as human wallet, whose only purpose is to provide money for others.

It's not about the acquisition of money. It's about living in the society you and your ilk have established and want to perpetuate. You advocate the system where success is evil and effort is punished and where workers are exalted. Well then, I stop succeeding, stop putting in the effort, and just become a worker bee. And you know what? I know that scares you, because you need me -- you need me to continue succeeding so that you can keep taking from me; you need me to continue putting in the effort so you can reap the benefits.

People are not punished, the system only punishes greedy people that is why they have the highest tax rate, which isn't high enough by far, should be 50 - 60 % to really let them know what they are doing is wrong and greedy and they have to give that money back to the poor and redistribute it. 

I doubt you fall into the highest income bracket, so why are you in such a hissy fit?  In other countries your tax rate would be much higher, so appreciate it is so low here in the US.

[reppingfor20]

Remember everybody, Obama 2012, only man to vote for, he is for the working man, no discrimination between people he is one we are all one.

[Soul Crusher]

Remember everybody, Obama 2012, only man to vote for, he is for the working man, no discrimination between people he is one we are all one.

LMFAO.     how does it feel knowing I will cancel out your vote asshole!    chant for that communist half a fag all you like, I still cancel your vote.   

[reppingfor20]

LMFAO.     how does it feel knowing I will cancel out your vote asshole!    chant for that communist half a fag all you like, I still cancel your vote.   

i'm voting twice.

[Soul Crusher]

i'm voting twice.

You are a communist lib, of course you are. 

[avxo]

People are not punished, the system only punishes greedy people that is why they have the highest tax rate, which isn't high enough by far, should be 50 - 60 % to really let them know what they are doing is wrong and greedy and they have to give that money back to the poor and redistribute it.

Why is it wrong? Why should they be punished? Because you disapprove?

Why shouldn't Larry Page or Sergey Brin not be betond filthy rich? They gave the world something of inestimable value and provide a service people want. They've earned every single penny, and if they wanted to spend it all on gold-plates toilet fixtures that flush with champagne and light sweet crude, they should be able to, without the government trying to impose some naive morality and enforce a sense of fiscal fairness.

I doubt you fall into the highest income bracket, so why are you in such a hissy fit?  In other countries your tax rate would be much higher, so appreciate it is so low here in the US.

I'm not, and I still feel my tax rates are way too high. I don't recognize the government's right to take my money to give to others. The functiona of the Federal Government are clearly spelled out in the document that created that entity, and i see no mention of robin hood.

But I have no choice when there's a gun pointed at me, so I pay. But I have about reached my limit, and I am very likely to stop doing the kind of work I do and take a part-time low paying job that generates enough income to cover food and basic living costs but leaves nothing for you an you looter friends to plunder. And what will you do then?

You say you don't think I'll do it; that's because you don't understand me. When the last state I lived I'm raised taxes, I simply moved to a state with no state income taxes. I am serious about this.

And unlike what you think, this is not about the money. It's about the fact that it's my money and that you don't get a say in what I do with my money. Since you force me to empty my wallet by law, I will simply fight back by making sure my wallet is already empty. After all, you can't take what's not there.



What will you do then? How will your laws and your tax code help you? Will you force me to take the job I gave up to make money for you?

As for what other countries do, I couldn't really give a crap because it doesn't affect me. If the Swedes wish to pay however much they pay in exchange for whatever they get from their government, more power to them. I consider their system idiotic, but sovereign states (just like people) have a right to be stupid. I don't tell people how to live their lives - one is responsible for oneself. I focus on mine.

[reppingfor20]

Why is it wrong? Why should they be punished? Because you disapprove?

Why shouldn't Larry Page or Sergey Brin not be betond filthy rich? They gave the world something of inestimable value and provide a service people want. They've earned every single penny, and if they wanted to spend it all on gold-plates toilet fixtures that flush with champagne and light sweet crude, they should be able to, without the government trying to impose some naive morality and enforce a sense of fiscal fairness.

I'm not, and I still feel my tax rates are way too high. I don't recognize the government's right to take my money to give to others. The functiona of the Federal Government are clearly spelled out in the document that created that entity, and i see no mention of robin hood.

But I have no choice when there's a gun pointed at me, so I pay. But I have about reached my limit, and I am very likely to stop doing the kind of work I do and take a part-time low paying job that generates enough income to cover food and basic living costs but leaves nothing for you an you looter friends to plunder. And what will you do then?

You say you don't think I'll do it; that's because you don't understand me. When the last state I lived I'm raised taxes, I simply moved to a state with no state income taxes. I am serious about this.

And unlike what you think, this is not about the money. It's about the fact that it's my money and that you don't get a say in what I do with my money. Since you force me to empty my wallet by law, I will simply fight back by making sure my wallet is already empty. After all, you can't take what's not there.



What will you do then? How will your laws and your tax code help you? Will you force me to take the job I gave up to make money for you?

As for what other countries do, I couldn't really give a crap because it doesn't affect me. If the Swedes wish to pay however much they pay in exchange for whatever they get from their government, more power to them. I consider their system idiotic, but sovereign states (just like people) have a right to be stupid. I don't tell people how to live their lives - one is responsible for oneself. I focus on mine.

I'm glad you are considering taking a part time job, hopefully it will lead to less stress about the government so called stealing your money, do you have any places in mind for the part time job? 

LOL, I don't need your money, even welfare receipts, get what 1/2 of a cent of what you pay in taxes, you really don't contribute all that much to an individuals benefits when you break it down. 

[avxo]

I'm glad you are considering taking a part time job, hopefully it will lead to less stress about the government so called stealing your money, do you have any places in mind for the part time job?  

LOL, I don't need your money, even welfare receipts, get what 1/2 of a cent of what you pay in taxes, you really don't contribute all that much to an individuals benefits when you break it down.  

Why do you call it "so called stealing" when you openly advocate for redistribution of income from rich to poor by the government via taxation and benefits? If someone takes money from someone else by force (in this case, the government takes from me by force, since I wouldn't volunteer the money and I only pay it under the threat of legal sanctions) that is stealing.

I'm not opposed to the taxes in principle. Government must be financed and there are legitimate government functions. But government isn't Robin Hood and it's Constitutionally authorized functions are limited. I'd pay taxes to finance those because I get a benefit. But I get nothing from a government that sees me as an ATM that can be used to finance social policy.

If you feel so strongly about helping the poor why don't you pay more money to the government to let them redistribute it? The Treasury accepts donations you know.

Or why not help the poor directly? The money you spent to buy a computer could have probably many meals for many poor families. The money you spend on an Internet connection could have been used to pay for books for a poor college kid.

If you feel so strongly about helping the poor that you will take other people's money to help them, and tell them "oh you make too much anyways" and "you don't really need all this money" why do you live in relative luxury as opposed to living as cheaply as you can to help as many poor people as possible?

Because you are a fucking hypocrite - that's why. You say all this stuff knowing full well that someone else will have to foot the bill.

You say that I, personally, don't contribute that much in taxes to social programs. Perhaps you're right, but that's besides the point. The point is that I am forced to contribute at all. I am not an ATM - whether I make $10,000, $1,000,000 or $10,000,000 per year.

And, yes, of course you need my money. Oh, not you personally. But you need them to achieve your lofty goals of a wonderful society, where government checks ensure financial parity and equality among people... I have news for you: communism failed for a reason!

As for the job, not really, although any job involving walking would be nice - I could use the cardio. And as I said before - the look of horror in your eyes when you realize that there's nothing to plunder? Priceless!

[Soul Crusher]

Hey you islamo goat molester - tell me what you disagree with in this. 

[Option D]

Oh please - GMAFB.   Thats pure nonsense.

Its 100% true. What part about it is nonsense? Please Detail

[reppingfor20]

Why do you call it "so called stealing" when you openly advocate for redistribution of income from rich to poor by the government via taxation and benefits? If someone takes money from someone else by force (in this case, the government takes from me by force, since I wouldn't volunteer the money and I only pay it under the threat of legal sanctions) that is stealing.

I'm not opposed to the taxes in principle. Government must be financed and there are legitimate government functions. But government isn't Robin Hood and it's Constitutionally authorized functions are limited. I'd pay taxes to finance those because I get a benefit. But I get nothing from a government that sees me as an ATM that can be used to finance social policy.

If you feel so strongly about helping the poor why don't you pay more money to the government to let them redistribute it? The Treasury accepts donations you know.

Or why not help the poor directly? The money you spent to buy a computer could have probably many meals for many poor families. The money you spend on an Internet connection could have been used to pay for books for a poor college kid.

If you feel so strongly about helping the poor that you will take other people's money to help them, and tell them "oh you make too much anyways" and "you don't really need all this money" why do you live in relative luxury as opposed to living as cheaply as you can to help as many poor people as possible?

Because you are a fucking hypocrite - that's why. You say all this stuff knowing full well that someone else will have to foot the bill.

You say that I, personally, don't contribute that much in taxes to social programs. Perhaps you're right, but that's besides the point. The point is that I am forced to contribute at all. I am not an ATM - whether I make $10,000, $1,000,000 or $10,000,000 per year.

And, yes, of course you need my money. Oh, not you personally. But you need them to achieve your lofty goals of a wonderful society, where government checks ensure financial parity and equality among people... I have news for you: communism failed for a reason!

As for the job, not really, although any job involving walking would be nice - I could use the cardio. And as I said before - the look of horror in your eyes when you realize that there's nothing to plunder? Priceless!

I called it so called stealing because that is what most conservatives call it, so you can relate to what I am saying, I do not believe it is stealing myself.  In order to have a functioning government, we need people to pay taxes.  

I do help the poor any chance I can get, pay all the taxes I am asked of and do not use tax credits, or anything else to lower what I am paying, I love paying my taxes because I know it will help our country be better one day.  

I remember seeing the patriotic millionaires on television while I was eating the other day, a real class act these people where, I just checked out their site, here is the link if your interested.  These are the real hero's of this country besides our troops.

http://patrioticmillionaires.org/

[Soul Crusher]

Its 100% true. What part about it is nonsense? Please Detail

You have a lot more to worry about from local speeding, dwi, traffic, and zoning bs in terms of the police state than you do the patriot act.   

[Necrosis]

i dont see how paul is owning newt here, his argument for immigration is rational. If you guys want to remove people now who have already been here, contributing and have a family and a life then you aren't human. Ever think that some people are born into disadvantage and these people dont have the benefits of the "american dream"? the kids in africa who will die on a diet of rice in a mud pile should be benefiting from our handouts, because sucessful people are the ones who had the most, plain and simple.

[Dos Equis]

i dont see how paul is owning newt here, his argument for immigration is rational. If you guys want to remove people now who have already been here, contributing and have a family and a life then you aren't human. Ever think that some people are born into disadvantage and these people dont have the benefits of the "american dream"? the kids in africa who will die on a diet of rice in a mud pile should be benefiting from our handouts, because sucessful people are the ones who had the most, plain and simple.

I think everyone who is in this country illegally needs to get the heck out and go to the back of the line behind all of those trying to do it the right way.  And I consider myself human. 

We shouldn't be rewarding people who break the law. 

[reppingfor20]

if you guys actually believe newt means what he is saying about immigration you are nuts.

[Necrosis]

I think everyone who is in this country illegally needs to get the heck out and go to the back of the line behind all of those trying to do it the right way.  And I consider myself human. 

We shouldn't be rewarding people who break the law. 

i wrote a huge response but it was deleted, basically doing that may have grave economic and social consequences and i dont think its feasible, those already here should be afforded a head start, its unfair yes, but they may be small business owners, doctors etc.. which if just yanked out could impact countless people in a much more negative fashion then simply affording them a legal process. There is a difference between illegals wanting to come here and those who have jobs and been here for a long

[avxo]

I called it so called stealing because that is what most conservatives call it, so you can relate to what I am saying, I do not believe it is stealing myself.  In order to have a functioning government, we need people to pay taxes.

That's right, in order to have a functioning government we need to pay taxes. I want a functioning government - but one that sticks only to the proper functions of government and to its responsibilities as outlined in the Constitution...

I do help the poor any chance I can get, pay all the taxes I am asked of and do not use tax credits, or anything else to lower what I am paying, I love paying my taxes because I know it will help our country be better one day.  

You're either a troll or a Troll.

I remember seeing the patriotic millionaires on television while I was eating the other day, a real class act these people where, I just checked out their site, here is the link if your interested.  These are the real hero's of this country besides our troops.

I know all about them. If they wish to advocate for higher taxes, that's their prerogative and their right. If they wish to actually pay higher taxes, that's also their right. My question is, if they're so patriotic and so willing to part with their money for the good of the country why haven't they already written checks to the Bureau of Public Debt (a part of the Department of the Treasury) which accepts donations? All monies received are put into a special fund and go towards paying down outstanding government debt instruments (Treasury Bills, Notes and Bonds).

They could help this country today, without waiting for silly lawmakers to pass bills raising taxes. They could prove they're patriots who are serious and give their cause a great push simply by signing a check. Yet I don't see them rushing -- I wonder why? Since the mid 90's less than $30 million has been donated.

It's all nice and great to talk about paying more to help your country out but it's better to actually do it. And a raise in taxes isn't necessary to do.

I think everyone who is in this country illegally needs to get the heck out and go to the back of the line behind all of those trying to do it the right way.  And I consider myself human. 

We shouldn't be rewarding people who break the law. 

While that's certainly a defensible position, I don't think that's realistic or necessarily wise. There are many people who have been here literally for decades, who have been assimilated and are productive members of our society and own businesses. Many may have children who, if born here are (whether you like it or not) American citizens -- a fact that by itself changes the calculus significantly. I don't disagree with removing people who are here illegally, and would welcome a move to that effect, however but I think a blanket "deportation ticket" to everyone isn't a good idea. If such a removal is to happen, cases will have be examined and considered on the merits. In that sense, I partially agree with Gingrich. Whether he means what he says (who knows what any politician really means?) and whether he'll do what he claims (probably not) if elected are irrelevant.

[reppingfor20]

That's right, in order to have a functioning government we need to pay taxes. I want a functioning government - but one that sticks only to the proper functions of government and to its responsibilities as outlined in the Constitution...

You're either a troll or a Troll.

I know all about them. If they wish to advocate for higher taxes, that's their prerogative and their right. If they wish to actually pay higher taxes, that's also their right. My question is, if they're so patriotic and so willing to part with their money for the good of the country why haven't they already written checks to the Bureau of Public Debt (a part of the Department of the Treasury) which accepts donations? All monies received are put into a special fund and go towards paying down outstanding government debt instruments (Treasury Bills, Notes and Bonds).

They could help this country today, without waiting for silly lawmakers to pass bills raising taxes. They could prove they're patriots who are serious and give their cause a great push simply by signing a check. Yet I don't see them rushing -- I wonder why? Since the mid 90's less than $30 million has been donated.

It's all nice and great to talk about paying more to help your country out but it's better to actually do it. And a raise in taxes isn't necessary to do.

While that's certainly a defensible position, I don't think that's realistic or necessarily wise. There are many people who have been here literally for decades, who have been assimilated and are productive members of our society and own businesses. Many may have children who, if born here are (whether you like it or not) American citizens -- a fact that by itself changes the calculus significantly. I don't disagree with removing people who are here illegally, and would welcome a move to that effect, however but I think a blanket "deportation ticket" to everyone isn't a good idea. If such a removal is to happen, cases will have be examined and considered on the merits. In that sense, I partially agree with Gingrich. Whether he means what he says (who knows what any politician really means?) and whether he'll do what he claims (probably not) if elected are irrelevant.

The patriotic millionaires know that just them contributing means nothing, they are trying to get the big picture, all millionaires taxes raised, do you want a piece of sand or a whole bucket, they are doing the right thing in pushing for legislation to be passed to control these greedy beasts.

[avxo]

The patriotic millionaires know that just them contributing means nothing, they are trying to get the big picture, all millionaires taxes raised, do you want a piece of sand or a whole bucket, they are doing the right thing in pushing for legislation to be passed to control these greedy beasts.

They could have helped the country immensely and given their campaign a boost by donating to the Bureau of Public Debt. They haven't. And the counter is "oh, well... They're saving it for later!"? Really? That's kind of pathetic.

They are trying to convince lawmakers to do something using the political process - good for them; that's what our country is all about. Whether their position is right or has merits is an entirely different question.

Keep thinking of millionaires as greedy beasts if that, somehow, makes you feel better. Your beliefs don't necessarily correspond to reality though, and your faith in taxation and redistribution is misplaced... Look at the Soviet Union.

[reppingfor20]

They could have helped the country immensely and given their campaign a boost by donating to the Bureau of Public Debt. They haven't. And the counter is "oh, well... They're saving it for later!"? Really? That's kind of pathetic.

They are trying to convince lawmakers to do something using the political process - good for them; that's what our country is all about. Whether their position is right or has merits is an entirely different question.

Keep thinking of millionaires as greedy beasts if that, somehow, makes you feel better. Your beliefs don't necessarily correspond to reality though, and your faith in taxation and redistribution is misplaced... Look at the Soviet Union.

my beliefs are with what most of the country thinks of how millionaires and billionaires should be taxed, your in for a wide awakening come 2012 elections.

[avxo]

my beliefs are with what most of the country thinks of how millionaires and billionaires should be taxed, your in for a wide awakening come 2012 elections.

The number of people who support an idea and/or proposition is irrelevant when discussing the validity of said and/or proposition.

And luckily for us we live in a Republic and not a democracy