Author Topic: if you all agree I'm maxed out naturally, does that mean this guy is not natty?  (Read 11751 times)

aesthetics

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if bodyparts splits work for anyone it is actually proof they are juicing


such high volume yet low frequency are counterproductive for natural


i found out myself and saw a lot of people in the gym find out



i don't agree with this. it depends on how much rest you get

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I....


just....


think this thread is like so many others that suck.

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he isnt natural, why do you think he is? because he told you? that is big ####, maybe not IFBB  big but way too big to be natural.

guy got a whole website saying he is natural
http://www.true-natural-bodybuilding.com/

and i made alrerady 2 threads about it to see what getbig thinks and surprisingly all getbiggers were like "looks natural, not that lean etc"


was the weirdest thing ever

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He has so little interest in drugs that he did a PhD in BioChemistry, works for a Pharmaceutical and created a website called "True Natural"... lol

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#### got a whole website saying he is natural
http://www.true-natural-bodybuilding.com/

and i made alrerady 2 threads about it to see what getbig thinks and surprisingly all getbiggers were like "looks natural, not that lean etc"


Jos is natural. And chasing away dudes like Wes will not help you on your quest for info to grow some muscle, sir..

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Jos is natural. And chasing away dudes like Wes will not help you on your quest for info to grow some muscle, sir..

you keep defending this guy but what is your response to my question in this thread?

"do you think it is god given genetics or do you think maybe he took the performance enhancers" --Gregg Valentino


lol

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you keep defending this guy but what is your response to my question in this thread?

"do you think it is god given genetics or do you think maybe he took the performance enhancers" --Gregg Valentino


lol
You know the answer, PNS...

purenaturalstrength

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You know the answer, PNS...
HA! so you are admitting now


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if bodyparts splits work for anyone it is actually proof they are juicing


such high volume yet low frequency are counterproductive for natural


i found out myself and saw a lot of people in the gym find out



So are you saying that a natural needs higher frequency and lower volume?

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HA! so you are admitting now


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No, PNS, you are in denial...

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Here is your answers,on his webpage:

"Currently I work since 2003 in one of the biggest pharmaceutical companies of the world,"

Need i say more?

Need i repeat?LOL,this guy is not natural by miles,he may look for someone but how many natural with 20' inch arms have you seen?FFS people,this is 2012,you have gh15 bible,you are on thunderdome and you keep saying this is natural.Jeez  ::)
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Need i repeat?LOL,this guy is not natural by miles,he may look for someone but how many natural with 20' inch arms have you seen?FFS people,this is 2012,you have gh15 bible,you are on thunderdome and you keep saying this is natural.Jeez  ::)

Who cares he looks like shit..:

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The three most important things for steroid free lifters are  genetics, work ethic and a good program in that order.

 I think a lot of steroid free lifters should stop buying bodybuilding magazines because they give false hope to guys that lift without drugs. Half of the magazines are ads for snake oils that don't do anything for bodybuilding.  

In a perfect utopia bodybuilding dream world it would be great to see what the champs look like training off of drugs for a year. Many would look like complete crap.  Would you then take their training advice?

A whole body routine is great for steroid free bodybuilders. Many say this is outdated and a beginners routine. In truth it's way harder to do than a split routine. Try this routine I did yesterday and tell me it's easy.  If it is then up the weight.

1. Power cleans 3 x 3 then 1 x 1
2. Squats 2 x 8
3. lunges 1 x 8
4. standing leg curls 2 x 12
5. dumbbell bench press 2 x 8
6. chins 2 x max
7. low back cable rows 2 x 12
8. military presses 2 x 8 (clean if off the floor to begin)
9. dumbbell laterals 2 x 10
10. barbell curls 2 x 10
11. weighted dips 2 x10
12. hanging leg raises 2 x max
13. pulley ab crunches 2 x 20
14. standing calf raise 2 x15
15. weighted back extensions
16. neck and grip work

It's a brutal routine but working three times a week for just two or three weeks works incredible. You can change the exercises every two or three weeks for change.

There are good splits for naturals.  One of my favorite is Monday-chest and back. Wed. is legs. Friday is delts and arms.  Three, sometimes four exercises a body part for 2 work sets not counting warm ups as needed.

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The three most important things for steroid free lifters are  genetics, work ethic and a good program in that order.

 I think a lot of steroid free lifters should stop buying bodybuilding magazines because they give false hope to guys that lift without drugs. Half of the magazines are ads for snake oils that don't do anything for bodybuilding.  

In a perfect utopia bodybuilding dream world it would be great to see what the champs look like training off of drugs for a year. Many would look like complete crap.  Would you then take their training advice?

A whole body routine is great for steroid free bodybuilders. Many say this is outdated and a beginners routine. In truth it's way harder to do than a split routine. Try this routine I did yesterday and tell me it's easy.  If it is then up the weight.

1. Power cleans 3 x 3 then 1 x 1
2. Squats 2 x 8
3. lunges 1 x 8
4. standing leg curls 2 x 12
5. dumbbell bench press 2 x 8
6. chins 2 x max
7. low back cable rows 2 x 12
8. military presses 2 x 8 (clean if off the floor to begin)
9. dumbbell laterals 2 x 10
10. barbell curls 2 x 10
11. weighted dips 2 x10
12. hanging leg raises 2 x max
13. pulley ab crunches 2 x 20
14. standing calf raise 2 x15
15. weighted back extensions
16. neck and grip work

It's a brutal routine but working three times a week for just two or three weeks works incredible. You can change the exercises every two or three weeks for change.

There are good splits for naturals.  One of my favorite is Monday-chest and back. Wed. is legs. Friday is delts and arms.  Three, sometimes four exercises a body part for 2 work sets not counting warm ups as needed.

That routine with 3 squares a day will get you big, no doubt.

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a natural looks only impressive to normal people
if you wanna be impressive for big guys you gotta juice

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sometimes i'd like to beat the truth out of these so-called naturals with a bat

Yea I know what you mean!!! Sometimes I`d like to beat some people with a bat too  :-*
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Yea I know what you mean!!! Sometimes I`d like to beat some people with a bat too  :-*
hahahaha   :D

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a natural looks only impressive to normal people
if you wanna be impressive for big guys you gotta juice

a natural doesn't even look impressive to most normal people because they are inundiated with cover mags of people juiced up to their gills with hard and dry muscles at 5% bodyfat with tons of photoshop. a natural will never get to 5% bodyfat while still being hard, he'll go flat no matter what he does.

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tell that to supplement buyers  ::)
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A closed mind is a terrible thing.

You may respond differently to it today.

Not necessarily high volume,but more reps, with a focus on squeezing and stretching the muscle you are training............and gaining on a split routine hardly means a person is on drugs.

Doing a 5 x 5 routine works great for adding strength and size,but your body will adapt to it and stop responding after a while just like it would on any other type of training.....this is the time to switch things up.
Spot on with that post man.

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Spot on with that post man.
Were the hell have you been, PN?  Or did you have a gimmick do the last few months ?

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He got owned with his natural claimed status and now he partially recovered... ::)
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Were the hell have you been, PN?  Or did you have a gimmick do the last few months ?
No gimmick, i just read the posts and don't post! :)

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He got owned with his natural claimed status and now he partially recovered... ::)
I have other things to do like training and focusing on improvements in my physique for example, and i train for myself first always have and always will. ;)

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I think PN can give PNS really good tips !