read this if your serious about getting in shape and want the truth

[madg]

what gh15 say is the absolute true!!!!!

i have 1 friend he is bigest pussy phagot he say he dont like squats cause he cant stand the ;burn;lol

this guy though is rich he father have oil company here so he is on 12 iu lily humatrope daily he is by far the bigest and most separated i know and HE DONT KNOW SHIT ABOUT TRAINING OR DIET...ALL HE KNOW IS HIS FATHER 2K EURO EACH MONTH

i want to cry when he at gym with me playing with 15kg cable curls and ppl say...:damn man look his huge riped arm and the weight he do..damn: other guy replys: its genetics bro ..lucky bastard:LMAO I WANT SCREAM IS NO GENETIC IS LILY PHARMA GRADE GH

AMEN

[gh15]

what gh15 say is the absolute true!!!!!

i have 1 friend he is bigest pussy phagot he say he dont like squats cause he cant stand the ;burn;lol

this guy though is rich he father have oil company here so he is on 12 iu lily humatrope daily he is by far the bigest and most separated i know and HE DONT KNOW SHIT ABOUT TRAINING OR DIET...ALL HE KNOW IS HIS FATHER 2K EURO EACH MONTH

i want to cry when he at gym with me playing with 15kg cable curls and ppl say...:damn man look his huge riped arm and the weight he do..damn: other guy replys: its genetics bro ..lucky bastard:LMAO I WANT SCREAM IS NO GENETIC IS LILY PHARMA GRADE GH

AMEN

lol,, when your dada has oil company ,, 2 k is justg what you spend on sushi meals a week lol ,, he can do whatever he want ,,  his dada go to him because oil company is money none stop ,, dada soens tven need the money he just give him 2 diff debit card and tell him to get out of his face,, the cards usualy have limit of 20 k a day!

those kidos dont think in term of how much it cost ,, they think in term of how much they need! for what they want! ,, with everything in life

gh15 approved

[Schmoe Buster]

what gh15 say is the absolute true!!!!!

i have 1 friend he is bigest pussy phagot he say he dont like squats cause he cant stand the ;burn;lol

this guy though is rich he father have oil company here so he is on 12 iu lily humatrope daily he is by far the bigest and most separated i know and HE DONT KNOW SHIT ABOUT TRAINING OR DIET...ALL HE KNOW IS HIS FATHER 2K EURO EACH MONTH

i want to cry when he at gym with me playing with 15kg cable curls and ppl say...:damn man look his huge riped arm and the weight he do..damn: other guy replys: its genetics bro ..lucky bastard:LMAO I WANT SCREAM IS NO GENETIC IS LILY PHARMA GRADE GH

AMEN

Does he take any juice or just the Humatrope?

[che]

Personally,I still eat 5-6 times a day..usually 5 times lately..........Why..... .....because I like to eat!! 

I have a very fast metabolism and a tiny stomach , I have to eat 5-6  times a day , if I don't  I lose weight very quickly.

[D.O.U.P]

first off i'd like to give credit to the mighty buselmo for coming forward and dispelling any current beliefs and notions about what it takes to get in shape. the guy speaks the truth and its refreshing to say the least.

heres the deal- i have been for the better part of my training/competing life a 'strict dieting'; guy. this means all ratios and calories were measured. nothing given to chance. steroids were used but not relied upon to give me the size and conditioning i wanted.

i never in all those years achieved what i thought of as my full potential competitively, and that played a big part in why i quit- i just figured i didnt have the genetics (the other part being i honestly hated being onstage).

over the past 2 years i started gh. my shit is good. as is any anabolics i have used. one thing i have been very lucky with is getting good gear. i built a good bit of quality in this time- no not size, quality- i didnt want nor do i now want to get bigger. but for the past two years i have had an almost impossible time getting that last little bit of stubborn fat off no matter how hard i dieted. by stubborn fat i mean the last 2% to get me shredded looking to the point you dont need a diuretic to see the quality of the muscle or conditioning- i have always thought that if you were lean enough you wont need a diuretic to look good and i still feel this way, unless your competing, much different story as those stage light as very unforgiving- anyone can look good in their living room.

so, i have sat sat with unhappily with a bf level for the last 2 years i couldnt shake off which was frustratiing to say the least as every time i got lean, i got way to stringy and started to lose too much lean. it was a tricky balancing act for sure.

fast forward to that last two weeks- and this is where buselmo's truths come into play. i went to south american on vacation. i took with me enough eq, winstrol and my prop for 3 weeks cause i am juice monkey at heart and this is what we do- we never stray far from the syringe kids- if you want to be big you gotta learn this rule.- no i wont tell you how i transported it- pm me if you want to know. in that amount of time i trained twice. two upper body workouts. i didnt count calories. i didnt count protein but i can bet it was less than 100 grams a day- for a period of 4-5 days when i was in the mountains i can assure you it was less than 50. i existed on grains, and fruits. i was climbing thru mountain passes, sometimes elevations of over 2000M in one days time- picture being on a stair climber for 6-7 hours a day.

i got back yesterday and when i looked in the mirror (cause you really dont have any idea how your body has changed till you see it in the same mirror and lighting you always are used to seeing it) i had lost that final 2%. i was bigger and rounder than i have ever been. my legs/calves which i havent trained now for a month are considerably fuller from all the climbing. all on less than 100 grams of protein a day.

heres the moral of the story and guys like gh and buselmo and will grant etc etc will keep pounding away at it till you all get it- THIS IS A DRUG DRIVEN PAST TIME AND RESULTS ARE TOTALLY DEPENDANT ON INTAKE AND NOTHING LESS. fuck calories. fuck protein. fuck macros. fuck gurus- take your steroids like good little boys and girls and a lot of them. eat all the carbs you need to give you whatever fuel your body will need to keep moving and working, and if you cant afford 15units of gh a day, get your lazy ass on a stair climber and grind out some long ass intense cardio sessions to get your metabolism going and burn off the baby fat. thats it. and if you can afford the gh, then fuck the stairclimber too.

why did i take the time to write this- cause for the most part i come here to bust balls and have fun. cause i know there are guys on here in the same boat as me- good physiques who have been busting their ass for years dieting and counting macros. its not necessary and it'll be hard for you to get your mind around it after decades of being fed the same ignorant bullshit about 'dieting' cause i was the same way. diet diet diet. keep the protein up. what a joke.

heres my challenge for guys who are lean but trying to get off that last 2 %- try it for two weeks. eat whatever macros you want. dont stuff yourself full- by now you should know your bodies well enough to know when you need fuel and when you dont. and give your body only enough to keep going. exist on coffee the rest of the time as a stim. eat when you are hungry- fuck the clock. do some cardio if you cant afford the gh. come back here and tell me thats you didnt lose that bf, get fuller and look better.

the mighty no one has spoken. let all who read his words be the wiser for it.

your welcome bitches

(and a punch in the cock for the first person who says 'im not reading all that- coles notes please')

SPOT ON.

[howardroark]

LOL at "Adonis" trying to steal this thread by claiming age-old bits of knowledge as his own. 

[king]

the truth is as folow,,

none of bodybuild you see around walking 240 220 8% 7% none of them sit and eat all day ,, we eat what we feel like eating,, we dont dont endulging in food,, we eat to have energy so the drugs can work ,, what drugs? hgh and insulina,,

i always seem to see the same fellas endulging in food and alway slook worse than before due to lower quality hormones and ofcourse too much yum yum ,,

when will yuo understand that the fellas around walking 250 220 280 290 or 200 they do not endule in food ,, they endulde in hormone called human growth hormones ,, the more they use the more they become seperate ,, the more they become condition ,, the more they become an animalistic looking due to geting lean while holding some water yes,, but take look in dasty ....this is straight out a result of human growth hormone usage none stop,, same for any other fella,, it has nothing to do with genetic ,,

i keep teling yo this over and over ,, i describe you the exact responses of the street fellas that will react to you using what drugs,, and still i hear fellas talk about food lol ,, dont you fucking get it that yo ucant get to the sizes talked about with only food and steroid? you cant!,,

the more you eat the more balonie yuo will look like ,, bodybuild ilusion is pulling the lean look ad make it appear bigger by being leaner and then taking into mutaition via gh and then insulina,, it has nothnig to do with you endulging with 7000 calories or even 4000 calories,, this is complete and uter lie that been fed for many many years,,

dont you se yourself the size of bodybuild and the little ocntainer of food we eat? with some fish and little ketchop walking around 253 lb 7.5% 5'8....i mean COMON NOW have some littlel sense in your head,,

bodybuild is based only ONLY on the ability of you to hav egood contacts and the ability of you to get the right the RIGHT drugs mainly HUMAN GROWTH HORMONE into your blood NONE STOP and consistant with it ,,

look in jason cutler ....he has foundation and he is all gh ....look in philsulina HE DOESNT have foundation and he is ....you got that right pupils alllllll gh and insulina,,

the size of muscle is determine by how many ius of gh you take a day and how you incorperate the insulina into it in advance levels,, ofcourse insulina is disaster but you wont see 290 with out it....still even 210 220 condition you are a direct result of how much gh you use,, moment your supply of gh is gone so wil your bodybuild careeer and life,, you take gh out of rasty or dasty protocol he wont even enter gymnasium and i say dasty name just because it click in my head ,, like danta and sons im talkin gabout phenoma that is going in the cult for many years,,

bodybuild has absolitly nothing NOTHING to do with eating a lot,, all the fellas who eat alot you can meet in gymasium between 5 30 pm and 6 30 pm they are there with their 19 inch arm and soft belly coveres with some biker shirt....they are there

a bodybuild only eat to grow ,, if we eat whatever we want and we do many time it is because gh is in blood noen stop and in high doses ,, then we can do whatever we want ofcourse,, but still! to show the freak show you see it has nothing to do with food it has to do with the HORMONE  ,, very little to do with the food ,, you put in food just enough to have energy and supply body with energy to utilize the GH.....to the best of its ability ,,

gh15 approved

I'm a little confused. You posted this a while back

there are no secret diets only secret methods of taking hormones (timing, dosing, i.m/i.v/s.c, tons of other secrets from many years of doing it)

when it comes to diet it is VERY VERY simple. in order to step on stage at any national competition you need to eat your mommy and daddy offseason. anything and everything (lots of protien included).
some use high dose hormones with it and some dont go as high when it comes to hormones in the offseason.

offseason is when you eat what ever the fuk you want! inorder to do it and not to get fat you also need to start  with a bodyfat that is low enough... so do not do it if youre 18% bodyfat because you will end up as a fat baloon. first bring your bodyfat to a nice 10% level no matter even if it means you will be 160lb it shouldnt matter to you! you want to start with low-medium bodyfat levels

ONLY THEN you can start eat whatever you want during offseason and ofcourse dont ever forget to train and train right and heavy not only heavy for ego. you will never find any one that step on national stage working with EXTREME heavy weights unless it's done for a dvd. powerlifting yes bodybuilding NO and i dont care what 90% of my fella homos tell you (you can do it both naturally as a gym rat and on hormones as 99% of competetive bodybuilder out there)

the only time to start looking at what you eat is 14-16 weeks pre competition when you need to shed those 13% down to 7%. last few weeks from 6%-7% to 4% is a process that involve lots of interesting hormones/cardio and ofcourse duretics for the water.

if you dont eat like a beast offseason you will never be big period. the reason we are big is food/hormone combo and NO ONE CAN EAT CLEAN WHILE BEING ACTIVE AND TAKING ENOUGH CALORIES OF THE DRY CHIKEN AND THE BROWN RICE... ENOUGH TO GROW MUSCLE. YOU ONLY DO IT WHEN YOU DIET DOWN AND NEED TO GET READY FOR STAGE. DONT EVER LOOK AT US WHEN WE EAT OUR LITTLE CONTAINERS IN THE GYM INFRONT OF YOU OR AT THE LOCAL SUPPLEMENT STORE WE OPERATE/OWN... THOSE CLEAN MEALS ARE EATEN WHEN DIETING AND ONLY WHEN DIETING FOR COMPETITION. offseason you will find us between subways and pizza hut ...between outback and ruby tuesday and between puncakes waffles and lots of eggwhites.

whatever it takes get those calories in and make sure there is lots of protien/day...dont forget to train your 4/5 sessions a week and hormonize yourself at the right stage of development and you will be doing fine.

[gh15]

I'm a little confused. You posted this a while back

what dnt you understand friend,, tell me exactly what and i wil answer,, you wont get no where in bodybuild if you sit and eat 1 piece of fish a day and a banana,, but what dont you understand all ears

gh15 approved

[The True Adonis]

LOL at "Adonis" trying to steal this thread by claiming age-old bits of knowledge as his own. 

LOL@Ayn Rand and her Shitbrainedness

[dustin]

Damn, so many spot on posts in this thread. I want to smash my computer screen and scream VICCCTTOOORRRRYYYY!!!!

Fucking glad that others finally understand this shit too. I feel like I'm going out of my mind watching idiots train so stupidly in the gym. People watch me doing things like walking on the treadmill for 10 minutes only and fucking around on my Facebook while they're doing an hour of cardio... they probably think "fucking idiot!", but then I take off all my sweaters and sweat pants and I'm more shredded than they've ever been in their entire life!! I see their stupid jaws drop all the time. They adjust their headphones and keep staring. Keep staring, dumb fucks!!

And the more drugs you take, the more forgiving your body is. When I do evening shifts I get home after work, have a big bowl of apple pie and ice cream and maybe slam some egg whites if I'm not too lazy. Next morning I wake up with fucking abs, full ass shoulders and chest, and arms and legs that look like big black cocks. Fuck all the people that don't understand this. You can lead a horse to water but you can't get him to inject some fucking equipina!!

/drug induced babel... 80+ hour migraine and absolutely loaded

[Max B]

^ your arms and legs look like big penises that are black in color? interesting......

[Nomad]

How can you be great when you live in a shit box made out of Particle Board?

post something new bro

[Palpatine Q]

haha, no shit.  irritates the shit out of me every time I hear the classic "keep the muscles guessing" line, as if your biceps are working on defining an algorithm to identify the sort of exercises you are doing  

LOL....so true.

Or how about this gem...."that's a shaping exercise"...LOLOLOLOLOL 

[Wiggs]

LOL....so true.

Or how about this gem...."that's a shaping exercise"...LOLOLOLOLOL 

I don't wanna get too big. I don't want my muscles to turn into fat if I quit working out...
Use high reps to get more cut and low to get swoll...

I mean so many fucking stupid things I hear...This is why I wear headphones in the gym cause when you explain it it, they look at you like you're a god damn liar.

[gh15]

They adjust their headphones and keep staring.

lol

[WillGrant]

EXCELLENT THREAD

This 

[Moen]

Not to take away from adonis since he is the one who relaunched the concept if you will, but this is what educated scientists and our wacko friend Mike Mentzer have been saying all along. You can google the Heavy Duty Nutrition booklet, it's a free PDF. I found the backwards calculations on how much protein you really need quite funny and revealing, was something like 1 extra gr of protein per day gain 15lbs of lean muscle a year.

[The Wizard of Truth]

Well I can add that I stopped eating all eat for three months earlier this year and lost no size

[madg]

Does he take any juice or just the Humatrope?

12 iu humatrope near all year round..3 x testoviron + 6x schering primo/week cycling in and out for 6-8 weeks

[Schmoe Buster]

12 iu humatrope near all year round..3 x testoviron + 6x schering primo/week cycling in and out for 6-8 weeks

Nice, all Human Grade from pharmacy

[madg]

Nice, all Human Grade from pharmacy

yes      give dad with oils plx plx     

[jprc10]

Great thread.

I don't think anyone could find this sort of information on any other board. The high protein bullshit lie is just that...a bunch of mythical shit used by mags, supplement comps, protein industry, websites, etc. to sell more and make money. Personally, I experienced the same being drug free, lowered my protein intake to 50-100 grams a day and no difference physique wise....well, there was a difference I got leaner.

Thanks to 'noone' and everyone else for their input as it corroborates what I was thinking all along.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Damn, so many spot on posts in this thread. I want to smash my computer screen and scream VICCCTTOOORRRRYYYY!!!!

Fucking glad that others finally understand this shit too. I feel like I'm going out of my mind watching idiots train so stupidly in the gym. People watch me doing things like walking on the treadmill for 10 minutes only and fucking around on my Facebook while they're doing an hour of cardio... they probably think "fucking idiot!", but then I take off all my sweaters and sweat pants and I'm more shredded than they've ever been in their entire life!! I see their stupid jaws drop all the time. They adjust their headphones and keep staring. Keep staring, dumb fucks!!

And the more drugs you take, the more forgiving your body is. When I do evening shifts I get home after work, have a big bowl of apple pie and ice cream and maybe slam some egg whites if I'm not too lazy. Next morning I wake up with fucking abs, full ass shoulders and chest, and arms and legs that look like big black cocks. Fuck all the people that don't understand this. You can lead a horse to water but you can't get him to inject some fucking equipina!!

/drug induced babel... 80+ hour migraine and absolutely loaded

I thought I was the only guy who checked my facebook while doing cardio at the gym.

and I also lol @ trainers doing some exercises with their clients. For those naturals, it's all diet

[notsureifsrs]

I thought I was the only guy who checked my facebook while doing cardio at the gym.

and I also lol @ trainers doing some exercises with their clients. For those naturals, it's all diet

Most of them don't do it because they believe in it, but because that's what the client expect from them.

12 iu humatrope near all year round..3 x testoviron + 6x schering primo/week cycling in and out for 6-8 weeks

No var?

[polychronopolous]

Damn, so many spot on posts in this thread. I want to smash my computer screen and scream VICCCTTOOORRRRYYYY!!!!

Fucking glad that others finally understand this shit too. I feel like I'm going out of my mind watching idiots train so stupidly in the gym. People watch me doing things like walking on the treadmill for 10 minutes only and fucking around on my Facebook while they're doing an hour of cardio... they probably think "fucking idiot!", but then I take off all my sweaters and sweat pants and I'm more shredded than they've ever been in their entire life!! I see their stupid jaws drop all the time. They adjust their headphones and keep staring. Keep staring, dumb fucks!!

And the more drugs you take, the more forgiving your body is. When I do evening shifts I get home after work, have a big bowl of apple pie and ice cream and maybe slam some egg whites if I'm not too lazy. Next morning I wake up with fucking abs, full ass shoulders and chest, and arms and legs that look like big black cocks. Fuck all the people that don't understand this. You can lead a horse to water but you can't get him to inject some fucking equipina!!

/drug induced babel... 80+ hour migraine and absolutely loaded

It's the hatred and jealous contempt in their eyes that keeps me coming back for more.