Round Robin

[littleguns]

I want to do something fun......

List your top 5 Wrestlers, any Era as it relates to talent, mic work etc.

From here I will create a tournament to see who the best person truly is

My top 5 in no order

Stone Cold

Rock

Arn Anderson

Rick Rude

Brett Hart

[Obvious Gimmick]

Don Muraco

Dick Murdock - best heel in my book

The Rock

Jimmy Snuka

HHH

[Montague]

1.) Savage

2.) Hennig

3.) Flair

4.) Hogan - YES, I REALLY TYPED THAT

5.) Bill Eadie (Demolition Ax/Masked Superstar)


Of course, there is a plethora of others.
These are just some "off-the-top-of-my-head stand-outs."

[Karl Kox]

1.) Savage

2.) Hennig

3.) Flair

4.) Hogan - YES, I REALLY TYPED THAT

5.) Bill Eadie (Demolition Ax/Masked Superstar)[/i]


Of course, there is a plethora of others.
These are just some "off-the-top-of-my-head stand-outs."

Glad to see him get some well deserved credit

[Karl Kox]

It's way too hard to name just five, there have been soooo many great talents.

From a good technical side : Jerry Lynn , Chris Candido , Bret Hart , Dean Milinko , Billy Robinson , Lance Storm , Eddie and Chavo both , Bob Roop, Kurt Angle .

Just great workers in general : Jake Roberts, Mr. Perfect, Steve Austin, Rock , Flair , Mark Lewin, Murdoch, Terry Funk, Rick Rude , Debiasie, Steamboat , Savage, Lawler Could go on and on.

On the stick : Piper , Flair , Hogan , Rock , Austin , Jake Roberts , Heaneen , Mick Foley, Lawler .

I know I was supposed to name only 5 it's too hard.

[Montague]

It's way too hard to name just five, there have been soooo many great talents...

Absolutely.
I was trying to think of the total package - workers who embodied the best of all skills.
But, even then, it's too hard to limit it to five; there are just so many!

[littleguns]

It's way too hard to name just five, there have been soooo many great talents.

From a good technical side : Jerry Lynn , Chris Candido , Bret Hart , Dean Milinko , Billy Robinson , Lance Storm , Eddie and Chavo both , Bob Roop, Kurt Angle .

Just great workers in general : Jake Roberts, Mr. Perfect, Steve Austin, Rock , Flair , Mark Lewin, Murdoch, Terry Funk, Rick Rude , Debiasie, Steamboat , Savage, Lawler Could go on and on.

On the stick : Piper , Flair , Hogan , Rock , Austin , Jake Roberts , Heaneen , Mick Foley, Lawler .

I know I was supposed to name only 5 it's too hard.

Karl - pick your 5 so I can put tgether brackets....

[The Showstoppa]

Flair
Steamboat
Savage
Austin
Michaels

[Montague]

Flair
Steamboat
Savage
Austin
Michaels "The Queer from San Antonio"

I can't understand it!
Why do we keep losing viewers, ratings, sponsors, PPV buy rates...?

Vincent Kennedy McMahon - c. 1996

[funk51]

hans mortier,   ric flair,      bruno,      billy graham,       kurt angle

[The Showstoppa]

I'd hit it.....but only if he was wearing the cowboy hat. 

[littleguns]

Ok first match:

Muraco vs Stone Cold

Rock vs Dick Murdock

Who wins

[gmflex]

1. Bret hart
2. Kevin Von erich
3. Mil mascaras
4. bam bam bigelow
5. AJ styles

[gmflex]

Ok first match:

Muraco vs Stone Cold

Rock vs Dick Murdock

Who wins

1. Stone cold
2. Dick Murdock

[Montague]

I'm sure ratings are going to sky rocket with this guy as Champ.

Two things:

1.) Bryan isn't desecrating the belt or the position of champ the way "The Queer from San Antonio" did.
2.) Bryan isn't overrated and glorified by marks the way "The Queer from San Antonio" is.

Only in the presence of the above two things could we draw any kind of comparison between Daniel Bryan and "The Queer from San Antonio."
But, since he does not portray ambiguous faggotry and sissiness via his character, the only thing he has in common with HBK is drawing little money.

[littleguns]

Two things:

1.) Bryan isn't desecrating the belt or the position of champ the way "The Queer from San Antonio" did.
2.) Bryan isn't overrated and glorified by marks the way "The Queer from San Antonio" is.

Only in the presence of the above two things could we draw any kind of comparison between Daniel Bryan and "The Queer from San Antonio."
But, since he does not portray ambiguous faggotry and sissiness via his character, the only thing he has in common with HBK is drawing little money.

You know what though - Bryan is ALWAYS trying to better his craft. He trains hard with my Neal Melanson trying to perfect new moves and holds.

[Montague]

You know what though - Bryan is ALWAYS trying to better his craft. He trains hard with my Neal Melanson trying to perfect new moves and holds.

Cool!
Shawn Michaels used to pass out on Somas and get beat up a lot.
Then he had to "look for his smile," which I'm sure was very difficult and equated hard training.

So, I guess that's one more thing Bryan and the "Toy Boy" have in common.

[Flex 215]

1.  Superstar Billy Graham
2.  Jimmy Superfly Snuka
3.  Tommy Wildfire Rich
4.  Tony Mr USA Atlas
5.  Kerry Modern Day Warrior Von Erich

Not the best workers or technically sound, not the best mic skills ( except for Graham ) but these were the guys I rooted for the most when I thought it was real, and even afterwards.  Looking back, I'd have to group Ric Flair with these guys too, but didn't really root for him as a kid.

[Montague]

Wasn't it his idea for Hell in the Cell? What about the ladder match?

I don't know who created HITC, but the only thing "Toy Boy" can lay claim to is being in the first one.
FOLEY set the excitement benchmark in 1998 when he took two unforgettable falls - not to mention the rest of his superb performance - during his "Cell" match.

As for the ladder match, that was NOT Shawn's idea.
The first ladder match on North American soil took place in Stampede Wrestling in 1972.
Bret and Bad News did one in the very early 80's, and it was Bret who pitched the idea to Vince years later.
Bret and Shawn worked one at a non-televised show so that management could see how it went over.
Supposedly, Bret made Vince promise not to do it in a high-profile show without the Hitman's involvement, but Vince booked Shawn and Razor to do the gimmick two years later in their I-C title match at WM X.

I could care less about the locker room or their private lives.

Yet, you ALWAYS attack HHH attributing his success to crawling into bed with the McMahon's.
The FACT is he was champion and got a major, well-deserved push WELL BEFORE his marriage, but that's beside the point.

You only turn a blind eye to Michaels, which is why I'm always quick to point out the reality: he was a good performer most of the time, his character was too gay to draw big money, and he's used politicking to remain relevant all these years, as there have been many workers to surpass what he's done in the way of bumps, aerial moves, etc.
And, certainly, his character has been outperformed by the number of guys who've drawn considerably BETTER business than he has.

[The Showstoppa]

I think Monty made a pass at HBK in a Hoboken bar and was turned down..... 











 

[Montague]

I think Monty made a pass at HBK in a Hoboken bar and was turned down..... 











 

Hey, I'm not gay...
I've tried it 17 times; it's not for me.

[Montague]

I think Monty made a pass at HBK in a Hoboken bar and was turned down..... 











 

Actually, that's the reason I dislike Dusty.

 

[littleguns]

Hey, I'm not gay...
I've tried it 17 times; it's not for me.

So is this why you lost YOUR smile? 

[Montague]

So is this why you lost YOUR smile? 

LOL!!!

Speaking of queers and losing smiles...
My buddy worked in WWE developmental for a while.
He said it is basically part of Federation folklore; the "special relationship" HBK has/had with a very, VERY, VERY high-ranking male executive in the company.
In fact, our very own Playboy from this board is school buddies with a member of the current roster who has also recounted those stories.

Actually there appears to have been quite a large number of gay/bisexual higher-ups in wrestling over the years.
I never encountered anything in my brief tenure - maybe I wasn't cute enough - but, this seemed to be a common theme in the 80's, hence all the accusations during the sex scandals.

[polychronopolous]

1. Ric Flair
2. Kevin von Erich (probably would have been a huge David von Erich fan but he was a little before my time)
3. Macho Man
4. Dusty Rhodes
5. Mean Mark Callous/Undertaker