IRAN has the largest JEWISH minority of ALL islamic countries

[Fury]

This is true... This does go to show that Iran isn't anti-Semitic (obviously, considering Mohammed was a Semite, lol) or anti-Jewish. They are anti-Zionist, or at least that's how they view themselves. Christians and Jews are "People of the Book" according to the Quran and Islam. They are to be protected, however, they are not allowed to serve in the military and must pay a special tax.

Needless to say, I do disagree with Iran's hard stance against Israel. But when it all comes down to it, it is not in the US's interest to meddle with Israeli-Iranian relations or the internal affairs of the Muslim world.

Actually, they're to be second-class citizens. They are to wear different clothing, won't be allowed to vote, won't be allowed to serve in the military and they can only hold certain jobs. Cute that you try to paint them as equals. You've clearly never read the Koran or Hadith.

Ask the Coptic Christians, the true Egyptians, and the dozens of them that were killed last month just how "equal" they are.

[howardroark]

Actually, they're to be second-class citizens. They are to wear different clothing, won't be allowed to vote, won't be allowed to serve in the military and they can only hold certain jobs. Cute that you try to paint them as equals. You've clearly never read the Koran or Hadith.

Ask the Coptic Christians, the true Egyptians, and the dozens of them that were killed last month just how "equal" they are.

Where did I try to paint them as equals? I explicitly mentioned that they are to be discriminated against according to the Quran.

[Fury]

Where did I try to paint them as equals? I explicitly mentioned that they are to be discriminated against according to the Quran.

You argued that they're "to be protected" when in reality they're to be exploited and know their place below the Muslims.

[Bindare_Dundat]

There's a lot more going on that you're aware of, too. You've been posting those videos for years now. Not surprising that that's all you've got.

Ask the Baha'is how nice the Iranians are.  

lol, c'mon man.

 Can you stop it with the exaggerations please? I posted some videos and expressed my opinions on this subject in the past  but it pales in comparison to what I contribute most of the time on here. For you to say that this is all I got is ridiculous considering the amount of time I choose to spend on it is hardly measurable overall.

All I'm saying is that the answer is somewhere in the middle of your position and mine. Can you explain to me how there can be 25 synagogues in the capital of Iran, or that some of the best Jewish hospitals are in that region, or that theres a seat for Jews in te Iranian Parliament, or te second highest Jewish population in that region is in Iran, if it's all as bad as the media in west makes it out to be? Again, this doesn't excuse the fuck ups in that country, so don't suggest that I am giving them a free pass but could you offer an explanation to these things? I would bet 99% of Americans didn't even know these things to exist and if they did, do you think it would change their pre conceived notions about the people of Iran?

[howardroark]

You argued that they're "to be protected" when in reality they're to be exploited and know their place below the Muslims.

They are to be protected. Being protected is different than being equal. Not my fault you're illiterate and not capable of telling the two apart.

[Fury]

They are to be protected. Being protected is different than being equal. Not my fault you're illiterate and not capable of telling the two apart.

They're not protected, though. In-fact, the persecutions are getting worse. Not my fault that you're a moron who likes to think he knows what he's talking about while at the same time not being able to differentiate between a Persian and an Arab.

lol, c'mon man.

 Can you stop it with the exaggerations please? I posted some videos and expressed my opinions on this subject in the past  but it pales in comparison to what I contribute most of the time on here. For you to say that this is all I got is ridiculous considering the amount of time I choose to spend on it is hardly measurable overall.

All I'm saying is that the answer is somewhere in the middle of your position and mine. Can you explain to me how there can be 25 synagogues in the capital of Iran, or that some of the best Jewish hospitals are in that region, or that theres a seat for Jews in te Iranian Parliament, or te second highest Jewish population in that region is in Iran, if it's all as bad as the media in west makes it out to be? Again, this doesn't excuse the fuck ups in that country, so don't suggest that I am giving them a free pass but could you offer an explanation to these things? I would bet 99% of Americans didn't even know these things to exist and if they did, do you think it would change their pre conceived notions about the people of Iran?

What pre-conceived notions about the people of Iran? Most Americans have no problems with the Iranian people. Their problem lies with the government which, surprise, surprise, most Iranians seem to hate, too.

For all the hoopla about the "vilification" of Iran by the MSM, you would think the MSM would have reported on the recent law stating the women need to be accompanied by a male family member when skiing over there now. You would think they'd jump all over that since, after all, they're out to get poor, misunderstood Iran.

http://bikyamasr.com/48231/iranian-mandate-forbids-females-to-ski-without-male-accompaniment/


If you look at where Iran was a few decades ago to where they are now you get one sad, sad picture.

[Bindare_Dundat]

Guys can we keep it civil for longer than two posts? That means all of us. This is an interesting topic and we can learn something from each other but the insults just implode the thread.

[Soul Crusher]

Guys can we keep it civil for longer than two posts? That means all of us. This is an interesting topic and we can learn something from each other but the insults just implode the thread.

At its most basic - back to RP - he needs to break in to the GOP primary voter not happy with Newt/Romney correct?   


If RP wants to tap these people - not saying he has to be pro-war because that would be a joke and ridiculous.   however - if he attacked the Iranian regime for the abuses against protestors and Obama's failures to support those protestoras and speak out forcefully against what was done he would have kept his anti-war cred- but also ingratiated himself with more gop primary voters who first and foremost hate obamna.   


See - this is not that fucking hard.   i really wonder if anyone gives him advise at all.         

[Bindare_Dundat]

They're not protected, though. In-fact, the persecutions are getting worse. Not my fault that you're a moron who likes to think he knows what he's talking about while at the same time not being able to differentiate between a Persian and an Arab.

What pre-conceived notions about the people of Iran? Most Americans have no problems with the Iranian people. Their problem lies with the government which, surprise, surprise, most Iranians seem to hate, too.

For all the hoopla about the "vilification" of Iran by the MSM, you would think the MSM would have reported on the recent law stating the women need to be accompanied by a male family member when skiing over there now. You would think they'd jump all over that since, after all, they're out to get poor, misunderstood Iran.

http://bikyamasr.com/48231/iranian-mandate-forbids-females-to-ski-without-male-accompaniment/


If you look at where Iran was a few decades ago to where they are now you get one sad, sad picture.

I asked you some direct questions but you posted something else unrealted to what was asked. If you don't want to answer thats fine, i won't pursue that matter any further.

[Fury]

I asked you some direct questions but you posted something else unrealted to what was asked. If you don't want to answer thats fine, i won't pursue that matter any further.

I answered your question. You said Americans have pre-conceived notions about the people of Iran when I disagree with that. I said Americans, for the most part, are very sympathetic to the plight of the Iranian people. Were you sleeping when it was American citizens who set-up the networks for them to get their videos and stories out during the election protests? It was Americans who were running the proxies for them. It was Americans teaching them how to avoid detection from the government internet monitors. It was Americans showing them how to set-up their own cell phone networks. It was American companies like Google and Youtube that set-up specific outlets for the Iranian people to upload their information as their networks were shut down.

American's problem lies with Iran's GOVERNMENT, not its people.

[Bindare_Dundat]

American's problem lies with Iran's GOVERNMENT, not its people.

As it is however, American government led sanctions affect the common person in Iran, bombs dont always fall on the bad guys. Now we return to the fact thats been stressed for a long time, that its easy to see why foriegn policy as it is  now, creates a disdain and then a growing group of fanatics out of the people it effects.

I was hoping you could fill me in on the Jewish situation there and the questions I brought up specifically relating to that.  

[howardroark]

They're not protected, though. In-fact, the persecutions are getting worse. Not my fault that you're a moron who likes to think he knows what he's talking about while at the same time not being able to differentiate between a Persian and an Arab.

Hahahaha! I seriously think I'm going to show this to my Arab, Indian, and Persian friends. We'll have a good laugh over this. You take one instance where I wrote down "inflame Arab opinion" (which an invasion of Iran actually WOULD do) instead of "inflame Muslim opinion" and now I can't differentiate between Arabs and Persians?  

They absolutely are protected under the Quran, though they are not equal. If you don't believe me, then I suggest you read the Quran for yourself (which I have done) or talk to a serious Muslim scholar. I've said as much and again, you try to twist my words around just so you can call me stupid.   You've completely discredited yourself by doing this. Were you bullied a little too much in high school for being a dork? Is that the source of your repressed anger?

The funniest part in all of this is that now you're painting me as some kind of Muslim apologist. If only you knew some of the heated exchanges I've had with my Muslim friends over Islam... My only point was that:
1) Iran doesn't seek to kill Jews or Christians.
2) Jews and Christians are "People of the Book" who are to be protected (NOT treated equally) according to the Quran. This, btw, is in opposition to pagans, infidels, etc. who basically are given no rights in the Quran.
3) Freaking out about Iran nuking Israel is a little out there when you scratch beneath the war propaganda.
4) It is not in the US's interests to meddle in Iran-Israel relations and the internal affairs of the Muslim world.

[howardroark]

This is what Fury is getting his panties in a wad over:

So we continue this gay low-level proxy war on Iran and how do we benefit exactly? We continue to inflame Arab opinion and we continue to meet the Quranic predicate for Jihad. That is a high price to pay for cheaper gasoline.

Arab opinion? Most Arabs hate Iran as they're PERSIAN and Shia, to boot.

I know. I misspoke, I should have said "Muslim," since the problem is not only with Arabs, but with Persians, Turks, Berbers, and many other ethnic/cultural groups that are predominantly Muslim.

He seems to have a really bad habit of reading into things and jumping to unsubstantiated conclusions.

[Fury]

This is what Fury is getting his panties in a wad over:

He seems to have a really bad habit of reading into things and jumping to unsubstantiated conclusions.

Don't cry. I've noticed it consistently happens by people who claim to know what they're talking about. If you didn't know that the Arabs and Persians are two different peoples and that they HATE each other then there's no reason to bother reading anything else you say.

The fact that Saudi Arabia is constantly left out of these arguments and diatribes you make says it all. You're completely and utterly clueless.

[howardroark]

Don't cry. I've noticed it consistently happens by people who claim to know what they're talking about. If you didn't know that the Arabs and Persians are two different peoples and that they HATE each other then there's no reason to bother reading anything else you say.

But see, the problem is that I do know the difference between Arabs and Persians. First of all, I never did confuse the two. Secondly, what I said was technically correct (bombing Iran would inflame the opinion of Arab Muslims). Thirdly, I did mean to say of Muslim opinion, not of Arab opinion as I clearly stated. Fourthly, I live in the largest hub of Muslims in the United States - Metro Detroit. To try to claim that I don't know the difference between Persians, Arabs, Indians, Turks, etc. when I live, work, and study with these people is patently absurd.

And now you're engaging in a fallacy of composition in order to try to nail me on something that I haven't done. More absurdity.

The fact that Saudi Arabia is constantly left out of these arguments and diatribes you make says it all. You're completely and utterly clueless.

See, the thing is that I don't leave them out. I've consistently mentioned US support for dictatorships in the Muslim world as a major reason why Islamic terrorists attack us. And by that, I mainly mean Saudi Arabia, but also other dictatorships we have supported in the past (e.g. Musharraf, Mubarak, and Qaddafi).

[Hugo Chavez]

I can't read this crap anymore...    3333 now so anti-Paul that he's calling the people on this board paulbots?  WTF?  Fuck you. 

Federal judges saying Iran was involved in the 9/11 attacks? 

idiots calling a Jew on assignment for National Geographic and what he finds totally irrelavant and meaningless.

reading through this thread, I feel like I stepped in a fresh cow patty.

[Soul Crusher]

Whatever ugo - believe whatever you want.   Just don't play the victim card when I am proven right.   Ron paul is not trying to win, what he does is plays to his hard core base of people who would die for him.  That is fine, but it is not a winning stretdgy no matter how much want.   Again _ this is the republican primary.   You can whine and cry and meltdown all you like _ if rp wants to win _ he needs to stop this bs asap. 

[Bindare_Dundat]

I can't read this crap anymore...    3333 now so anti-Paul that he's calling the people on this board paulbots?  WTF?  Fuck you.  

Federal judges saying Iran was involved in the 9/11 attacks?  

idiots calling a Jew on assignment for National Geographic and what he finds totally irrelavant and meaningless.[/b]

reading through this thread, I feel like I stepped in a fresh cow patty.

This is what really astounds me. You can hear the excitement and awe in the reporters voice because he too was no doubt brainwashed his whole life. This was really refreshing and to see him actually wake up to some truths was extremely interesting to see. Maybe they had guns pointed at their heads the whole time though, so who knows?  

[headhuntersix]

I see a lot of stupid in this thread. The only aggressor in the world right now is the USA. Do you see Iran occupying other countries and blowing up people? No you see America doing it.

Remember when Hitler rose to power in Germany the German public looked the other way because that is what the public usually does. Because most people are followers. The same thing is happening in America.

333, you are outraged about Holder's involvement in FF but don't realize that the whole government is corrupt from Republican to Democrat. They are the scum of the earth. The best thing probably for the Earth is if it was hit by a massive comet so all the rot can be removed. I want to see more beautiful animals roaming the planet and less fucking scheming humans.

Are you fucking serious...I think the moderators need to establish a history and current events test before anybody can post here.

[quadzilla456]

Are you fucking serious...I think the moderators need to establish a history and current events test before anybody can post here.

The reality is that America is a complete mess and you are delusional in thinking that America can still dictate to other countries. Whatever has been going on in Iran has been for thousands of years. But now in 2011/12 it is time for USA to ramp up against this country. What a coincidence it is after Iraq and Afghanistan. And oh yeah the reason is it's because of the war on terror. HH6 - you deserve everything coming to you for your gullibility, naivety, stupidity and ignorance.

[Hugo Chavez]

Are you fucking serious...I think the moderators need to establish a history and current events test before anybody can post here.

I think we should limit the posting of neoconservative psychopaths hellbent on ruling the world and destroying anything in their way...

[whork]

This is where i am convinced RP does not want to win the primary.   I know people are attacking me over this.   

Paul negates all the good will he builds up on economic issues with the garbage he spouts on iran.   

Who cares about Iran we have our own problems

Let Israel take care of them

[whork]

again - its image, PR, and narrative built up.   RP is building up a narrative that is simply not palatable to GOP primary voters on this issue and will result in him losing.  You can hate me for saying it, but its the truth.  

Imagine obama running against Paul to the right and saying - "I will keep you safe like I have killing OBL, Alawaki, and 22 others - he will break bread with Machmud and share Hallal"   ? ? ?  
Again - its message and approach.   RP is simply not trying to win.   

Its perfect that way Obama will lose all the lib voters and the repub voters surely wont vote Obama

[headhuntersix]

The reality is that America is a complete mess and you are delusional in thinking that America can still dictate to other countries. Whatever has been going on in Iran has been for thousands of years. But now in 2011/12 it is time for USA to ramp up against this country. What a coincidence it is after Iraq and Afghanistan. And oh yeah the reason is it's because of the war on terror. HH6 - you deserve everything coming to you for your gullibility, naivety, stupidity and ignorance.

Waaaaaaaaaaa.........its bad mean America causing all of this, things would be all rainbows and sunshine if we'd just all go away. Go fuck yourself idiot.

[George Whorewell]

Waaaaaaaaaaa.........its bad mean America causing all of this, things would be all rainbows and sunshine if we'd just all go away. Go fuck yourself idiot.

LOL

I think I'm going to copy and paste this response and just use it over and over again when someone makes a stupid argument on here.