Q&A - in regards to professionals and more

[gh15]

yes very good,, need more,, just load it insted of my elfs need to go to look for it in picture board put it all here,, this is bvery good big bgi diff

gh15 approved

[Voland]

YES!,, this is what i need,, IM PRE SIVVE!

this is what i need from all of you or anyone who want,, not only profesionals but amatuer too ,, any bodybuild out there

gh15 approved

I can't post my before and after due to privacy issues (im all tattoed up) and its easy to recongnize me. BUT if i send you a before and after via PM you can post your comments in the general (WITHOUT THE PICS!!!LOL).

I'd like to know what to do/take to get me to the next level aka triple take from peeps "oh shit thats a bodybuilder!!!!" while i have no idea of competing i'd like to look like 8 weeks out year round. Deal??

[DroppingPlates]

Whats the difference in weight between pros in the 70s and current pros?

Right click on the graph for detail

source: http://www.true-natural-bodybuilding.com/bmi-bodybuilders.html

BMI Evolution of Pro IFBB Bodybuilders

In the early 90's bodybuilders have started to use human growth hormone (HGH), and soon thereafter insulin and IGFs, to further increase their muscle mass beyond levels that were obtainable by only using anabolic steroids (AS). To demonstrate the impact of the entrance of growth hormone and insulin into bodybuilding, I have gathered some statistics (peak performance year, competition body weight, and body length) of as many professional IFBB bodybuilders throughout history as I could find, and calculated their lean body mass index (BMI). The lean BMI is the best available parameter to estimate a bodybuilder's overall muscle mass independently from his body length. The data that I have used, and the body mass index values that I have calculated, are presented in the table at the bottom of this page. I also plotted the BMI-values versus the athletes' peak performance year into the graph below.
click to enlarge the figure
 

One can clearly see a trend break in the graph in the first half of the 1990's, when growth hormone and insulin entered bodybuilding. Before that period the BMI-values of bodybuilders were scattered around a nearly flat linear trend line with an average value of about 31. In the early 90's the average BMI suddenly increased by over 15% up to an average value of 36, and further increased gradually up to an average value of 38 in the years 2000, an increase by over 20% compared to the pre-HGH era. As the use of HGH, insulin and IGFs are further pushed to the limits by today's professional bodybuilders, we expect to see more and more athletes showing up with a BMI of 40 or even higher in the coming years. Currently about 8 athletes have a BMI of about 40.

Unfortunately there are no reliable body statistics available of true natural bodybuilders, who have built their physique completely without the use of any hormonal drugs. That is because the use of anabolic steroids became a common practice among top bodybuilders already before the first professional bodybuilding contests were organized in the 60's. However, everybody who knows the sport of bodybuilding well enough, knows that a similar increase in the BMI of over 15% is expected to be observed, if one would compare true natural bodybuilders with bodybuilders who have used anabolic steroids to build their physique.

In conclusion, one can fairly say that the lean BMI or body weight of modern professional top bodybuilders is more than 30% higher solely as the result of massive use of very potent hormonal drugs such as anabolic steroids, human growth hormone, IGFs, and insulin. This is more or less consistent with the observation of nowadays natural bodybuilding contests, where the BMI-values of the champions are usually closer to 25 than 30. It is therefore fair to say that today's top heavy weight bodybuilders have more than half of their lean muscle mass thanks to the drugs, rather than hard training and good nutrition. No, the steep increase of lean muscle mass among top bodybuilders since the 90's has nothing to do with better genes, better training, better nutrition or supplements. Unfortunately Ronnie Coleman does not come from another planet, as many of his fans would like to believe.

Let me finally try to estimate the lean BMI of a male person with optimal genetic potential for bodybuilding under different conditions of training and drug use, assuming that in all cases he has a body fat percentage of about 3% (= lean).
Training   Drug Use   BMI (3% BF)
Never trained   Never   20 ± 2
Fully trained   Never (true natural)   26 ± 2
Fully trained   Anabolic steroids   31 ± 3
Fully trained   AS + HGH + Insulin   37 ± 3



I also advice you to read this article on the maximum muscular bodyweight and size potential that can be achieved without using any anabolic drugs. It also comes with an interesting calculator that helps you estimate your personal maximum potential in terms of bodyweight and body part measurements.

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Table with BMI-Values of Pro IFBB Bodybuilders

Year      Name               Length  (cm)   Weight (kg)   BMI     Length(feet)   Weight(lbs)

1950   Steve Reeves   185   97   28.3   6'1"   213
1966   Larry Scott   170   93   32.2   5'6"   205
1967   Dave Draper   180   102   31.5   5'10"   224
1971   Bill Pearl   175   100   32.7   5'8"   220
1973   Reg Park   187   102   29.2   6'1"   224
1975   Serge Nubret   180   96   29.6   5'10"   211
1975   Jim Morris   178   98   30.9   5'10"   216
1978   Kalman Szkalak   178   95   30.0   5'10"   209
1980   Arnold Schwarzenegger    187   107   30.6   6'1"   235
1980   Mike Mentzer   173   102   34.1   5'8"   224
1981   Franco Columbu   165   84   30.9   5'4"   185
1981   Ken Waller   183   104   31.1   6'0"   229
1982   Casey Viator   178   109   34.4   5'10"   240
1982   Dennis Tinerino   183   100   29.9   6'0"   220
1983   Frank Zane   175   84   27.4   5'8"   185
1983   Ed Corney   170   88   30.4   5'6"   194
1984   Chris Dickerson   170   86   29.8   5'6"   189
1984   Bill Grant   175   89   29.1   5'8"   196
1984   Boyer Coe   170   98   33.9   5'6"   216
1985   Sergio Oliva   178   109   34.4   5'10"   240
1985   Mohamed Makkawy   160   72   28.1   5'2"   158
1985   Danny Padilla   157   79   32.0   5'1"   174
1986   Jusup Wilkosz   185   115   33.6   6'0"   253
1988   Berry Demey   185   102   29.8   6'0"   224
1988   Phil Hill   173   102   34.1   5'8"   224
1988   Scott Wilson   178   96   30.3   5'10"   211
1989   Bertil Fox   178   107   33.8   5'10"   235
1990   Albert Beckles   170   99   34.3   5'6"   218
1990   Mike Christian   185   109   31.8   6'0"   240
1991   Lee Haney   180   112   34.6   5'10"   246
1991   Bob Paris   180   104   32.1   5'10"   229
1991   Rich Gaspari   173   102   34.1   5'8"   224
1992   Mohammed Benaziza   160   85   33.2   5'2"   187
1993   Lee Labrada   167   84   30.1   5'5"   185
1993   Lou Ferrigno   195   125   32.9   6'4"   275
1993   Flavio Baccianini   147   65   30.1   4'9"   143
1993   Ron Love   175   88   28.7   5'8"   194
1994   Samir Bannout   172   90   30.4   5'7"   198
1994   Porter Cottrell   168   88   31.2   5'6"   194
1995   Vince Taylor   175   104   34.0   5'8"   229
1995   Paul Demayo   178   114   36.0   5'10"   251
1995   Sonny Schmidt   178   109   34.4   5'10"   240
1995   Ian Harrison   178   117   36.9   5'10"   257
1996   Roland Cziurlock   173   102   34.1   5'8"   224
1997   Charles Clairmonte   180   112   34.6   5'10"   246
1997   Dorian Yates   178   120   37.9   5'10"   264
1997   Michael Francois   173   107   35.8   5'8"   235
1998   Jean Pierre Fux   180   117   36.1   5'10"   257
1998   Aaron Baker   173   107   35.8   5'8"   235
1999   Milos Sarcev   180   109   33.6   5'10"   240
1999   Paul Dillett   185   129   37.7   6'0"   284
2001   Shawn Ray   170   93   32.2   5'6"   205
2001   Mike Matarazzo   178   112   35.3   5'10"   246
2002   Flex Wheeler   175   104   34.0   5'8"   229
2002   Ernie Taylor   173   106   35.4   5'8"   233
2002   Craig Titus   173   110   36.8   5'8"   242
2002   Bob Cicherillo   183   109   32.5   6'0"   240
2003   Kevin Levrone   176   116   37.4   5'9"   255
2003   Lee Priest   162   103   39.2   5'3"   227
2003   Art Atwood   180   111   34.3   5'10"   244
2003   Nasser El Sonbaty   180   127   39.2   5'10"   279
2003   King Kamali   178   113   35.7   5'10"   249
2004   Darrem Charles   173   107   35.8   5'8"   235
2006   Chris Cormier   178   113   35.7   5'10"   249
2006   Gunter Schlierkamp   185   135   39.4   6'0"   297
2006   Dennis James   173   117   39.1   5'8"   257
2007   Ronnie Coleman   180   134   41.4   5'10"   295
2007   Jay Cutler   175   124   40.5   5'8"   273
2007   Victor Martinez   178   110   34.7   5'10"   242
2007   Dexter Jackson   167   100   35.9   5'5"   220
2007   Markus Rühl   178   130   41.0   5'10"   286

[Cleanest Natural]

Here's me

[affeman]

[DroppingPlates]

A gypsy on a budget 

[blacksterbmw]

The change that hgh and tren make

[OptimusPrime1980]

The change that hgh and tren make

you lost color.. got fatter, and hold more water?? i don't get it... 

[Borracho]

Right click on the graph for detail

source: http://www.true-natural-bodybuilding.com/bmi-bodybuilders.html

Hey thanks droppingplates!

Nice to see it all organised and put together in that manner.

[qbkilla]

u mean the pros aren't on phil hernons fruit diet, peptides, and foolostin (or whatever it tested as) to get big?  they dont eat coconut oil either and raw milk from uncle bills farm?

[blacksterbmw]

you lost color.. got fatter, and hold more water?? i don't get it... 

Either your really stupid or your joking at the minute I find it hard to believe either.  Obviously the first pic is the change smart ass

[DroppingPlates]

Hey thanks droppingplates!

Nice to see it all organised and put together in that manner.

Welcome, it's amazing what added GH & slin can do. Arnold who?!

[Dr Dutch]

Ok DP, it's time to invite Joske to GB. We owe him an honourable membership...

[DroppingPlates]

Ok DP, it's time to invite Joske to GB. We owe him an honourable membership...

Belgians are always welcome!

[OptimusPrime1980]

Either your really stupid or your joking at the minute I find it hard to believe either.  Obviously the first pic is the change smart ass

naah man i was not joking... i am really stupid....

[Dr Dutch]

naah man i was not joking... i am really stupid....

I think that blackstrnogwat is vooral een beetje dom...

[OptimusPrime1980]

I think that blackstrnogwat is vooral een beetje dom...

whahahah ja idd.... tja sommige mensen have no humor....   
he will have an easy time here in the Thunderdome... allready melting down! hahaha!
his name says it all..
blacks tr bmw
he likes black trannies and picks em up in his BMW! 

[nspaletta]

Here's about two months ago at 235 I believe. Not a big poster trying more to just shut up and learn 

[dustin]

I can't post my before and after due to privacy issues (im all tattoed up) and its easy to recongnize me. BUT if i send you a before and after via PM you can post your comments in the general (WITHOUT THE PICS!!!LOL).

I'd like to know what to do/take to get me to the next level aka triple take from peeps "oh shit thats a bodybuilder!!!!" while i have no idea of competing i'd like to look like 8 weeks out year round. Deal??

Why bother sending pictures online if you're concerned about privacy? The way I see it is that ANY digital information (even if it's not bound to the internet) can be intercepted. If it's stored digitally, you've already compromised your security. Don't ever think that your information is safe because there are people that probably already have access to it.

Also, I think it's only drug dealers that should have something to hide personally. I talk about drugs all day long and have probably even made death threats, but I have nothing to hide. If you're worried about incriminating yourself, don't touch topics like this with a 10 foot pole. If DEA and other LEO were to come crashing into my house with riot vests and assault rifles they'd be disappointed with my gym rat stash.

[OptimusPrime1980]

Here's about two months ago at 235 I believe. Not a big poster trying more to just shut up and learn 

your are wide...! lol! wide clavicles....waist could be tighter/more narrow. you hold a lot of water there...
up the tren, lower test ..you'd look a lot better without that water...my guess is you are on a decent dose of test, no?
can see abs.... you are about 9/10 % but a lot of water!
hgh 5- 10 iu's
tren 150 eod (startingdose)
test p 50 mg eod go from there....
eq 600 mg a week.
do that and you'll be 7% after only a few weeks...
throw the scale out of the window and go by mirror!

[ChristopherA]

Here's me

You look great Sev. Do anything out of the ordinary to get in shape? Cardio and diet, straight forward?

[The Abdominal Snoman]

I did not ask him......he responded with that. Interesting either way.

Not really. If I'm a pro and someone comes up to me and starts asking questions, the first thing I'm thinking is this guy is mic'd up with a hidden recorder. They make recording devices out of pens now for just a couple hundred bucks. Last thing I would want is to hear my voice on some retarded bodybuilding radio show telling someone I just met about what I take. Not happening.  

[The Abdominal Snoman]

To hard to hold back..lol

i heard from a "solid source'" .....that wolf uses 1, 10ml vial of test a day and kai used 36iu per day.....Hey different strokes for different folks. Hany has jay used syntherol in arms to keep up with phil why hany says phil used ZERO.

Doesn't this crap ever get old???

There are no "solid sources" of what anyone is taking. They are all liars and cheats. Every last one of them. They all down play what they take but in most cases use double/triple or in Lee Priests case, 50 times more than what they tell the world. When any non diabetic shoots needles into their body a dozen or so times a week, that person is not right in the fucking head.

[BILL ANVIL]

There are no "solid sources" of what anyone is taking. They are all liars and cheats. Every last one of them. They all down play what they take but in most cases use double/triple or in Lee Priests case, 50 times more than what they tell the world. When any non diabetic shoots needles into their body a dozen or so times a week, that person is not right in the fucking head.

tellin it like it is brudda

[nspaletta]

your are wide...! lol! wide clavicles....waist could be tighter/more narrow. you hold a lot of water there...
up the tren, lower test ..you'd look a lot better without that water...my guess is you are on a decent dose of test, no?
can see abs.... you are about 9/10 % but a lot of water!
hgh 5- 10 iu's
tren 150 eod (startingdose)
test p 50 mg eod go from there....
eq 600 mg a week.
do that and you'll be 7% after only a few weeks...
throw the scale out of the window and go by mirror!

Thanks for the advice bro I will try that out as soon as I get all the required equipment!