Is this "perfect life" going to eventually catch up to me?

[jon cole]

To sum it up: you have never laid out a very detailed plan, called "How I'll become the best I can become in terms of bodybuiloding and keep at it no matter what".
 I can't imagine someone being passionate about bodybuilding and suddenly loosing all that passion for stuff like "making money". Bodybuilding is a mental dissease, you don't "heal" from it, it just gets "worse" (while you get better lol) as the time goes on.. Anyone who've achieved greatness in this sport on a long term I know - put bb'ing first and everything else after. It's very very slefish and demanding activity.
 For the thread starter I'd suggest to lay down the priorities well, the long term ones too. For ex. I knew what I want to be/do/achieve in my life since I was about 19-20. The "knowing" was/is very very detailed/exact/clear... When it is like that - it's a lot lower chance you'll suddenly "switch" you priorities drastically at some point of your life (and be sorry for other choices you've made before). That happens for people who are more or less chaotic at their "life scenario".

 Is your goal to be a T.Freeman, who's better at 45 then he was at 25, or do you want to blow your kidneys and become a T.Prince who looks like a death, or maybe you want to be that fella who've never even knew what he'd like to be? Just sit and think well about it.

false, one day you wake up, i woke up while watching friend at the gym one day iand i think "they're drug addict, totally insecure, no personnality, all their relation with other people are through their muscle"...

[theworm]

To sum it up: you have never laid out a very detailed plan, called "How I'll become the best I can become in terms of bodybuiloding and keep at it no matter what".
 I can't imagine someone being passionate about bodybuilding and suddenly loosing all that passion for stuff like "making money". Bodybuilding is a mental dissease, you don't "heal" from it, it just gets "worse" (while you get better lol) as the time goes on.. Anyone who've achieved greatness in this sport on a long term I know - put bb'ing first and everything else after. It's very very slefish and demanding activity.
 For the thread starter I'd suggest to lay down the priorities well, the long term ones too. For ex. I knew what I want to be/do/achieve in my life since I was about 19-20. The "knowing" was/is very very detailed/exact/clear... When it is like that - it's a lot lower chance you'll suddenly "switch" you priorities drastically at some point of your life (and be sorry for other choices you've made before). That happens for people who are more or less chaotic at their "life scenario".

 Is your goal to be a T.Freeman, who's better at 45 then he was at 25, or do you want to blow your kidneys and become a T.Prince who looks like a death, or maybe you want to be that fella who've never even knew what he'd like to be? Just sit and think well about it.

thats true to some degree.  I just train naturally now, still have the passoin, just dont wanna do the drugs.  I mean, i would love to juiec again, but chose not to.  I could do a gram of test a week, but for what?  Rather put that money to work for me (retirement, etc).  I would rather retire in 20-25 years with a few million in the bank and chillin at the beach drinking pina colladas than spending all that money on roids for a temporary result.

[Ventura55]

yep I know this site. I have been using a regular doctor for bloodwork but i hate it. They always try to get on their high horse and holier than though nonsense when they have not the slightest clue about steroids.

what's the deal with this though? i want to use it next time. I just buy a hormone panel and then find a location for them to do it confidentially and i get results within 24 hours?

shit just checked. no lab sites anywhere close to me

You can't do it in NY,NJ,RI, you're gonna have to use a lab in CT.

[johnnynoname]

look, we have all out lived our respective lives

the lord jesus christ made man only to live up to the age of 35

Hospitals and modern medicine have kept us all alive way too long

I figure, we are all living "on the houses money" so might as well do whatever you want

do drugs
fuck whores
kick a midget
it doesnt' matter
have fun

[Tito24]

i catch up with your mom bout two hours haha.

[notsureifsrs]

think looooong and hard about what you would be doing if you aren't working out and using tren, prop, and gh...
i'll tell you, you'd probably be 280 lbs at 50% fat not being able to take 2 steps without gasping for air... like 90% of my friends

as you grow up, you get bored of this crap and want to change... that's IF you did it...
if you don't do it and say you'll "focus on health" and shit like that, sooner or later you are going to break down at an old age and say fuck it! i'm doing 3 grams of test and 2 grams of tren with 20 iu gh for a year and accomplish what i never did!... this will probably happen after you changed your life, probably got married and have kids or something like that, and have more important things to worry about instead of getting big and cut... get my point? get it out of the way instead of making it linger and the thought of not knowing "what could have been" haunts you all the time.

lemme tell you... right now, i have $2500 as "excess" for the end of the year... 5 years ago, i would've said "I'm gonna buy a ton of GH with this!!!" ... right now, the thought of GH is "meh"... and i just looked at my wife and said "hey, wanna spend the long weekend in dubai and party all week?"... why? cuz i've been there, done that, and outgrew it.

you're relatively young... get it out of your system... you'll get bored later on.

as for health... that shit's way overrated... people say "well don't you want to watch your kids grow up and have grandkids?" first of all, you never know when you're gonna die... 2nd, kids are the no.1 risk to your fucking health! LOL... I know two guys who had heart attacks when their kids flunked senior year in high school! LOL

That's a great post!
You put it all together in a such good way and make your posts sound so different.

hey thanks for the input. What makes you think alcohol is so bad? I mean, the whole world drinks regularly and a lot and many live very long. Is it the specific combination of aas and alcohol that makes it so bad?

Stop bringing the 'whole world' as an example, because the last time i checked your 'whole world' is obese, sick and depressed.

just do yourself a favor and stop drinking.

[aesthetics]

let me tell you somting so you dont tell me i didnt warn when there was stil time,,

i talk alot about hormones yes,, i myself done many many years of hormones wih out any health problem knock on wood,, i believe bodybuild are invinsible to the hiv virus... i do ,, i believe bodybuild rarely get sick if at all ,, im talking bodybuild of the hgh era..

but! and this is very importent but!

alcohol is the worst THE WORST drug of all! that ! will bring you down ,, if you want to be the last bodybuild that walk out of the gymnasium in age 40 year old and hav ea smile on his face while all your fella bodybuild with problems and either quit or became gutzos,, and the defition of gatzos are fellas who got into health problems and dont have any more the muscle thye used to have aside from the soft gut,, if you dont want to be part of them and want to be the last survivor and retire of bodybuild with pride and peace...you should stop drinking,, i mean it ,,

drinking is what fuck the bodybuild ..not the hormones...it is THE DRINKING! ,, IT IS THE PARTYING,, IT IS THE NARCOTICS ,, the hormones themselves? THEY FUCKING EXTEND YOUR LIFE,,

as i told before,,

i believe bodybuilders on hgh and hormones after a while are  immuned humans ,, imuned to deaseses ,, immuned to HIV ,, i believe that bodybuild may be the strongest humand on planet earth ,, bodybuilders are I N V I N S I B L E ,, only one thing can fuck a bodybuildr...you know what it is ? HIMSELF !

do not drink,, do not do narcotics ,, this is 2 keys to retire with peace and to be the best bodybuild YOU can be
gh15 approved

see, this is what i said before, i hope now that gh15 said it you will believe me when i say alcohol is the worst of what you're doing. the junk food, probably not if you're running tren since it just gets burned right up.

drop the alcohol and take up smoking weed instead, lol

[merrill1973]

thats true to some degree.  I just train naturally now, still have the passoin, just dont wanna do the drugs.  I mean, i would love to juiec again, but chose not to.  I could do a gram of test a week, but for what?  Rather put that money to work for me (retirement, etc).  I would rather retire in 20-25 years with a few million in the bank and chillin at the beach drinking pina colladas than spending all that money on roids for a temporary result.

But a gram of test a week is only going to cost, what 20 bucks a week?  Youre not going to retire a millionare saving 20 bucks a week... 

[da_vinci]

false, one day you wake up, i woke up while watching friend at the gym one day iand i think "they're drug addict, totally insecure, no personnality, all their relation with other people are through their muscle"...

It's sad that you saw ppl like that. I know serious bb'ers who are very very clever/high IQ and overall - very interesting people.. You haven't been a true bb'er, sorry.

[da_vinci]

thats true to some degree.  I just train naturally now, still have the passoin, just dont wanna do the drugs.  I mean, i would love to juiec again, but chose not to.  I could do a gram of test a week, but for what?  Rather put that money to work for me (retirement, etc).  I would rather retire in 20-25 years with a few million in the bank and chillin at the beach drinking pina colladas than spending all that money on roids for a temporary result.

It's all temporary my friend. But it's your priorities, I can't say anything against even if I'd like to. '
 I guess bb'ing is exactly a contrary stuff, it's about being here and now..

[flinstones1]

see, this is what i said before, i hope now that gh15 said it you will believe me when i say alcohol is the worst of what you're doing. the junk food, probably not if you're running tren since it just gets burned right up.

drop the alcohol and take up smoking weed instead, lol

I personally enjoy eating clean. I like vegetables, lean cuts of meat, fish,etc. Even if I was on 15iu of hgh year round, and could eat like shit and look awesome  I would still eat healthy...I still would eat chicken,brocolli,fish,spinach,etc. I just enjoy it, my parents always raised me eating healthy foods so it "stuck" if you will. If you were raised on pop tarts as a kid your probably not gonna be fond of fish and spinach.  Some just enjoy the health aspect that comes with bodybuilding. Kind of like when gh15 made fun of branch in that video shoulder pressing 4 plates ...like it matters with the drugs he takes (:...I'm sure Branch knows this, he just likes to train hard.  Also  I have a hard time believing Jay brings his chicken and rice everywhere cause he thinks it will make a difference at the end of the day,,he just enjoys it...but again he enjoys brushing his teeth 10 times a day lol

OP- If eating like shit, looking great, partying hard is what you enjoy doing then do it man fuck the haters. I wouldn't touch  alchohol but I'm not you and this is your life....do whatever make you happy my friend

[gh15]

hey thanks for the input. What makes you think alcohol is so bad? I mean, the whole world drinks regularly and a lot and many live very long. Is it the specific combination of aas and alcohol that makes it so bad?

corect,, the specific combination will kill you ,, and if not kill you will get you out of bodybuild like injured animal and will leave you an injured animal,, you may look ok on the out but you will be in and out hospitals trying to figure out what sup ,, and on TONS of prescribed medications,, i started with big group of fellas ...now day only me and few other left,, many of them did narcotics ,, drank ,, and on top of that did what it take to become top amatuer and pro..this will take you down in this combo,, the ones of us who survived HEALTHY are the ones who didnt drink and didnt do narcotics

gh15 approved

[L.L]

I know a few people who have been "on" for the last 20+ years (more or less.. short breaks, etc..). Healthy as fuck.
 But make sure you'll monitor your health whatever you do...

exactly and so do I...But they are also responsible individuals..

[Voland]

I've been "on" for 10 weeks. The last 6 weeks have been the best ever. I felt in love with EQ and i have the funds to say on for the whole 2012 and spice it up with something else. Did i listen to those who said "run just test for 10 weeks in your 1st cycle" no. Fuck them they can keep their 10 week cycles. Im staying on as long as i have the money. And considering the price of Eq, test (and how low im gonna run it) and perhaps some masteron and maybe some dbol. I'll be staying on for a long long time. If you feel better on them than without them why stopping?

[arce1988]

 You just jinxed yourself kid

[Growth NOOB]

Hey bro,

I could have made this exact thread a couple months ago.  In fact, I was going to but my membership here wasn't approved yet. 

We are in very similar circumstances physique wise and steroid usage.  A few months ago was my first foray into hgh.  I had come off a test/tren cycle and started at 10iu ed, along with a moderate 250mg test. I did that for about 3 months and got incredible results.  I had made up my mind that I was NEVER going to come off. It was just too good.  I wanted to look and feel like this for the rest of my life.

Well, after about 3 months that changed.  I started a new job and had to leave the country for 3 weeks of training.  In the last few minutes before I left, I decided to not take anything with me.  That decision ultimately led to me not training, juicing, or using gh for almost 10 weeks. 

However, I must admit, I felt fine those 2+ months.  Whether it was the hcg or the gh I had been running prior to coming off, it really wasn't that bad.  Sure, physically I lost a lot, but the most important part, mentally, I really didn't feel bad at all.  So all in all, I was on for about 7-8 months (my longest "cycle" by far) and the off time wasn't bad.  I hoped back on and plan on running a heavy, heavy "cycle".  I want to run 15iu-20iu gh, 750mg test, 1000mg tren (test and tren are obv per week).

Anyway, good luck my man.  Keep me updated on how you feel.  If you ever want to shoot the shit, hit me up.

[aesthetics]

I personally enjoy eating clean. I like vegetables, lean cuts of meat, fish,etc. Even if I was on 15iu of hgh year round, and could eat like shit and look awesome  I would still eat healthy...I still would eat chicken,brocolli,fish,spinach,etc. I just enjoy it, my parents always raised me eating healthy foods so it "stuck" if you will. If you were raised on pop tarts as a kid your probably not gonna be fond of fish and spinach.  Some just enjoy the health aspect that comes with bodybuilding. Kind of like when gh15 made fun of branch in that video shoulder pressing 4 plates ...like it matters with the drugs he takes (:...I'm sure Branch knows this, he just likes to train hard.  Also  I have a hard time believing Jay brings his chicken and rice everywhere cause he thinks it will make a difference at the end of the day,,he just enjoys it...but again he enjoys brushing his teeth 10 times a day lol

OP- If eating like shit, looking great, partying hard is what you enjoy doing then do it man fuck the haters. I wouldn't touch  alchohol but I'm not you and this is your life....do whatever make you happy my friend

well, that food you listed is delicious, i wouldn't really say it's "clean" food but rather quality food, you know? the problem with eating quality food, and quality cuts of meat that taste well without unhealthy amounts of sodium, fats, and sugars, is that they take a lot of attention to detail, and cooking knowledge to prepare properly - as well as costing a decent amount. 

i'm too damn lazy, i'd rather just throw a cheap burger patty on a grill and then eat the damn thing with one hand like a rice cake lol

[da_vinci]

exactly and so do I...But they are also responsible individuals..

Yes. And most importantly, as gh15 says - they haven't ever consumed alcohol (I don't count a glass of wine or whiskey once in half a year.. but seeing them getting drunk - never ever..) or other drugs.
 I'd upload pics of some of these guys, they look amazing being close to 50 currently, but I can't do that out of respect, as it's kind of disrespectful to put up pics of people without them knowng..

p.s. - generally, in regards to comming off after a long time (due to circumstances or just to have a break) - prepare yourself psychologically that you'll look/ffel worse for some time. If you are successful at that preparation - it WON'T be an issue. It's not crystal meth or some shit lol..

[Marty Champions]

I need some opinions here on health. I know gh15 says running steroids forever won't kill you, but come on...

Right now I have fallen into a trap where I just feel like everything is perfect for me right now. I look incredible, I get more pussy now than I ever could have dreamt of, I go out and drink alcohol 4x per week and eat like crap and look better every day, my whole mood is great, my perspective on life is great, I am always positive and upbeat about everything, etc.

However, the main reason for all of this is the following
70mg test prop every day (490mg per week)
80mg tren ace every day (560mg per week)
5iu hgh every day

I have been doing this 11 weeks now and I just dont want to ever stop. It is just too good to be true right now.

I have NEVER done any type of drug or narcotic by the way...

Realistically, how long can I keep this up while keeping my health in check? Would it be wise to stop for maybe 4 weeks at a time (while staying on a low dose test) just to keep safe and then. It is just so hard to stop what I am doing and jeopardize how great everything is going for me right now

honest advice please. What would you guys do in this situation?

you need a reality check. the reality is you are dependent upon your own experimation you have no clue how healthy or unhealthy it can be. i see you are trolling but perhaps your judgement is clouded

dont risk your life

you are better of risking at gambling

[jon cole]

It's sad that you saw ppl like that. I know serious bb'ers who are very very clever/high IQ and overall - very interesting people.. You haven't been a true bb'er, sorry.

that just people i know at gym are not clever.

my left shoulder and right quad are actually injuried, i'm only training back -arm -and deadlift.
10 years ago it would have been insuportable, now i just take time off gym, and enjoy life.

i'm a true bbder, from 19 to 26 y.o i train 5/6 time a week, 2 hours a day, there was nothing else in my life.
then i found a great job, a girl, new priorities,

i'm still a bber, a kind of bber who consider the gym as a church and training like a kind of mystic experience.

i'm dedicated enough to spend 15 hours at the gym e.w, but not enough to run 100 mg of tren ace e.d for month.
That doesn't make me a bad bber.

[deceiver]

add fava beans to the stack

and a nice chianti

[da_vinci]

i'm dedicated enough to spend 15 hours at the gym e.w, but not enough to run 100 mg of tren ace e.d for month.
That doesn't make me a bad bber.

Well my bad then, I assumed you ditched bb'ing as a priority at all..

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Hey bro,

I could have made this exact thread a couple months ago.  In fact, I was going to but my membership here wasn't approved yet. 

We are in very similar circumstances physique wise and steroid usage.  A few months ago was my first foray into hgh.  I had come off a test/tren cycle and started at 10iu ed, along with a moderate 250mg test. I did that for about 3 months and got incredible results.  I had made up my mind that I was NEVER going to come off. It was just too good.  I wanted to look and feel like this for the rest of my life.

Well, after about 3 months that changed.  I started a new job and had to leave the country for 3 weeks of training.  In the last few minutes before I left, I decided to not take anything with me.  That decision ultimately led to me not training, juicing, or using gh for almost 10 weeks. 

However, I must admit, I felt fine those 2+ months.  Whether it was the hcg or the gh I had been running prior to coming off, it really wasn't that bad.  Sure, physically I lost a lot, but the most important part, mentally, I really didn't feel bad at all.  So all in all, I was on for about 7-8 months (my longest "cycle" by far) and the off time wasn't bad.  I hoped back on and plan on running a heavy, heavy "cycle".  I want to run 15iu-20iu gh, 750mg test, 1000mg tren (test and tren are obv per week).

Anyway, good luck my man.  Keep me updated on how you feel.  If you ever want to shoot the shit, hit me up.

cool story bro. I don't have any plans on leaving the country anytime soon. If I did, it would be for no more than a week for a vacation, which obviously isn't a big deal. 2 months off would suck though. I'd rather not see what that is like. I'm 11 1/2 weeks in and will keep going for the foreseeable future. Too many compliments from females makes me worried about stopping, ya know? But as for the drinking thing, I really don't drink that much. 1-2x per week max and always a varying amount of booze. Just lately it's been a little more. All these holiday parties and stuff this time of year. I'm more worried about all the money I've been spending.

[Tito24]

The U.S.military has certainly tested subjects (and in many cases without their knowledge) with LSD and LSD-like substances; hoping to achieve a more efficient, human killing-machine.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

The U.S.military has certainly tested subjects (and in many cases without their knowledge) with LSD and LSD-like substances; hoping to achieve a more efficient, human killing-machine.

now this is what I wanted to hear. I'm going to take up LSD and let you know how it is