lay nortom is such a natural beast!

[Palpatine Q]

agreed.
not sure what exactly you are pointing to, but this guys works his fuckin ass off. As Ursus says, you can't know until you've done it yourself: and sure as hell 99% of people out there don't have the work ethic and access to muscletech products this guy does.

Its possible, for example, that incremental differences between someone who NEVER falters or their diet and NEVER misses a workout really add up over the years. There is no way to know what you are capable of unless you try doing the same thing, if you can do so without failing.

Bullshit.

you reach you limit after a few years of serious training, you will be as big as you are going to be...then you just kind of get muscle maturity as the years go by, but you don't really keep growing forever. Age has a lot to do with it too...once you hit your mid 30s, you're pretty much done growing as a man

You have guys that bulk way up, and cut way down...but they are really just adding and subtracting bodyfat...they are the size they are.  I did it for years...then when I got on the gear, I made BIG changes in my physique for the first time in 15 years.

I'm now up to 240 and still 8-9%... I look fucking retarded. No way in hell I could ever do this naturally

[_bruce_]

I said up to 100lbs.

I know someone who added 100lbs using them. I seen it with my own eyes.

He ain't in your league, no need to protect him.

[Ursus]

I am actually being very serious.

He squatted about 280 for a few shakes reps. Put on some knee wraps and done 400lbs.

[armchairifbbjudge]

Bullshit.

you reach you limit after a few years of serious training, you will be as big as you are going to be...then you just kind of get muscle maturity as the years go by, but you don't really keep growing forever. Age has a lot to do with it too...once you hit your mid 30s, you're pretty much done growing as a man

You have guys that bulk way up, and cut way down...but they are really just adding and subtracting bodyfat...they are the size they are.  I did it for years...then when I got on the gear, I made BIG changes in my physique for the first time in 15 years.

I'm now up to 240 and still 8-9%... I look fucking retarded. No way in hell I could ever do this naturally

what height are you? sounds beastly

[armchairifbbjudge]

He squatted about 280 for a few shakes reps. Put on some knee wraps and done 400lbs.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

no wonder his quad development is so shit

[Palpatine Q]

what height are you? sounds beastly

I'm 5'11" and that's me in my Avatar @ 230..I have tons of pics floating around, if you're implicating I'm full of shit

[armchairifbbjudge]

I'm 5'11" and that's me in my Avatar...I have tons of pics floating around, if you're implicating I'm full of shit

nonono friend


i know you are legit


gh15 said you could be a good pro

[Ursus]

It proves my point though doesn't it?

[Palpatine Q]

I won't comment on Layne Norton, but disco_stu you're an absolute retard if you believe world class sprinters don't juice. You really think the likes of Yohan Blake, Carmelita Jeter, Asafa Powell, and Walter Dix don't use PED's? Don't speak on a sport you have absolute zero knowledge on. Please try to disprove me on whether the following use or not:

Track and field is riddled with drugs, anyone who says otherwise is beyond ignorant, and must have had their head in the sand for the last 15 years

[armchairifbbjudge]

track and field athletes are natural they just get the real zma (snac system)

[Palpatine Q]

nonono friend


i know you are legit


gh15 said you could be a good pro

Gotcha...don't mean to jump , but you know how it is around here.

[armchairifbbjudge]

Gotcha...don't mean to jump , but you know how it is around here.

5'11" = ideal bodybuilding height


one more question, if you could do it all over again


at what age would you have started using?

[Ursus]

Who has the best pharmacist is probably more important in track and field now than who has the best coach!

[disco_stu]

I won't comment on Layne Norton, but disco_stu you're an absolute retard if you believe world class sprinters don't juice. You really think the likes of Yohan Blake, Carmelita Jeter, Asafa Powell, and Walter Dix don't use PED's? Don't speak on a sport you have absolute zero knowledge on. Please try to disprove me on whether the following use or not:

ive been following the sport since the late 70s. the influence of drugs over the period of 1900s to now has been pretty obvious, with historical proof in retrospect supporting the accusations and suspicions. withuot getting into a history and correlation lecture, the sport is cleaner than ever now. The only eye brow raisers these days come mostly from high profile american athletes and from athletes at early season, low profile meets.

Jeter, in many opinion, has been a cheat in the past. hasnt been caught. Her achievements at late age after being an also ran are amongst the real "doubtfuls" in recent years. Dix isnt under suspicion at all.

the point is that even if the athletes used gear, the amount and efficacy would be very restricted..retro testing stores the blood for years so they can be caught long after the fact.

relating that to this debate and u have a bunch of elite athletes who are capable of achieving super performance and conditioning, with little or no drugs.

Ignoring the drugs for now, there is still a group of elites who for whatever reasoncan run alot faster than the rest of us. Its not that they juice or cheat. They just are gifted.

every one of us wouldve met someone who was brilliant at something during their life...maths, science, memory, BB, track..whatever.

if i didnt know that brain drugs werent real then i would think that the one person i met who truly had a photographic memory was "on something"...wouldnt i?

theres loads of evidence to suggest that some people are freaks.

the rest of the evidence is the mish mash of crappy anecdotes that is difficult or impossible to filter.

flame and argue away. cant be bothered with further backing the logic here and explaining the rationale.

[disco_stu]

I won't comment on Layne Norton, but disco_stu you're an absolute retard if you believe world class sprinters don't juice. You really think the likes of Yohan Blake, Carmelita Jeter, Asafa Powell, and Walter Dix don't use PED's? Don't speak on a sport you have absolute zero knowledge on. Please try to disprove me on whether the following use or not:

competed for 25 years as amateur and pro at state and national levels. graduated sports science in 1993 (bachelors degree). worked for years with SA sports institute and elite athletes. finished up and did my masters in engineering in the late 1990s.

funny how you make a ridiculous claim like i know nothing about it without ANY evidence that is the case.

i know this stuff inside out i assure you. know all the tricks and all the history. and im no dumb ass either.

so tired of dealing with GB morons. its like a never ending struggle with the angry, ignored, uneducated mob with pitchforks trying to drown the witch.

[armchairifbbjudge]

how come layne has 200 deadlift and goodmorning videos up but no bench press videos

[MAXX]

how come layne has 200 deadlift and goodmorning videos up but no bench press videos

370 here

think he did more pre pec tear.

[Ursus]

how come layne has 200 deadlift and goodmorning videos up but no bench press videos

Tore his pec.

It was never as impressive relatively. Long arms. Probably explains why his DL is so good.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

if he isn't natural, he is the most convincing liar in the industry. He isn't really that big

[armchairifbbjudge]

if he isn't natural, he is the most convincing liar in the industry. He isn't really that big

I don't think he's convincing at all. You can look at him and just feel he is meant to be a volley ball player or something


that guy doing goodmornings with 600+ lbs is defying the laws of the universe

[gh15]

competed for 25 years as amateur and pro at state and national levels. graduated sports science in 1993 (bachelors degree). worked for years with SA sports institute and elite athletes. finished up and did my masters in engineering in the late 1990s.

funny how you make a ridiculous claim like i know nothing about it without ANY evidence that is the case.

i know this stuff inside out i assure you. know all the tricks and all the history. and im no dumb ass either.

so tired of dealing with GB morons. its like a never ending struggle with the angry, ignored, uneducated mob with pitchforks trying to drown the witch.

no you do not!,, you are what i call a wanna be,, you have no idea about the hormone world,, and no idea absolitly no idea of what it takes to get anywhere in bodybuild,,ill be highly surprize if you ever step on stage,, and IF you did then i would seriously consider bodybuild as the dumbest fellas on earth which we are not,,

bodybuild is ALL in the drugs the quality of the drugs and the consistancy in this drug intake

the end!

gh15 approved

[Ursus]

gh15 = all dictionary

[gh15]

not only that sports re the dirtiest right now comparing to any years,, NOW DAY EVERY SINGLE ATHLETE IN ADVANCE LEVEL IS ON HUMAN GROWTH HORMONE,, every single one! in advnce levels before it wsnt this way ,, the sports now day are a lot a lot deeper into hormones and no one care anymore because NO ONE can stop it,, this is the problem ...you try to stop it you hav ethe nfl on your head and many other powers in the same level as americano nfl and it is a lot A LOT of power,, americanos like their sports and want it to stay top no one will sacrifice being clean or natural trust me on that,, it is now in all time high !

gh15 approved

[Ursus]

You can still be big and strong nattie.

You will never be the biggest or strongest.

However you can also be a LOT bigger and stronger than many who do take drugs.

[armchairifbbjudge]

gh15 = all dictionary

gh 15 means 15iu HGH a day which is where the magic starts happening


you will start developing ,,,,,freakish 3dimensionality ,,,,protruding thru the shirt ,,,with sheer freakishness in 6 weeks not 6 months fella,,,,,
that is you also have to eat,,,lol,,, nonono not chiknbrokli fella, i mean eat anything,,,,,not that dantesons balonie nonono fella,,,of course not drink canola oil its law of nature;;;lol


seriously fella get it in your head bodybuild = hormones!!!! no hormones = no bodybuild!!!!!!!!!


the key is consistent high quality HGH 15iu or more a day,,,,lol nonono ,,,not only AAS,,,fella who do only aas megadose never look 3d freakishly, they look like bloofy mess fella,,,,,, get it in your fuking head!!!!