lay nortom is such a natural beast!

[cephissus]

yes i've posted them several times.

i'm just saying layne's claim of 5'10 at 190 lbs in contest condition is no joke.  you start to cut and the pounds begin to fall off.  then they keep going, and going, and going... and you're nowhere near as lean as you thought you'd be.  pretty soon 190 starts to sound awfully heavy...

[Ursus]

What I am trying to say also is weight is just a number. two people at 190 at the same height same bf % can look awfully different. Structure, bone density etc all pl;ay a massive part.

I think this guy is about 185

[armchairifbbjudge]

the truth is out there

[Natural Man]

x3.

the gh15 nut huggers and the guy himself have no idea. they never trained for any decent amount of time with success WITHOUT gear, so they tar everyone else who achieves.

there are absolutely no tell tale signs that layne juices...the myth that u cant get lean without gear is one propogated by gh15 himself.

people have been mega lean since the dawn of time..some can, some cant.

the odd person responds well to training and can get lean.

purely and simply, its genetics.

the problem is that most dont have these genetics so we have a ground swell of nay sayers ....its really just so they can feel good about their own inadequacies.

lets face it, if layne juiced, then he'd be holding more mass, stronger, and you'd see the odd sign such as gyno or acne or water bloat.

you dont see any of that...no extreme size, nothing really overly strong other than for a genetically gifted person, no obvious water retention..even in off season he looks pretty average.

i think he's giving a lesson to the haters..

look at some of the worlds top class sprinters..urine and blood tested dozens of times a year in and out of comp and they weigh a buck fifty but are ripped and look very muscular and are pretty strong.

There are literally thousands of wanna bes that take gear and still cant run as fast...or get as lean.

if u think that sprinting is still the domain of drug users, you'd be very wrong. NCAA im not so confident, but world stage, pretty clean.

so to the gh15 camp, explain that? theres loads mor examples. too many to list and too many to ignore. The gh15 camp just ignores it and makes ridiculous claims without basis or supporting evidence.

if it was a moderated debate then they'd be out with their tails between their legs, but unfortunately the mob rules on GB. in the real world we have intelligent people that can assess argument and determine what good evidence is and isnt, then make a decision.

its not a bunch of morons justifying their own existence and all slapping each other on the back saying "yeah, right on!"....and drowning out the facts.

pretty sums it all up.

Yes there are lots of guys on steroids pretending to be naturals, but there are also gifted and extremely consistant, dedicated genuine naturals who look great without using any drugs. The guys who ve been training one hour a day for 10,15,20 years , who are meso/ectomorphic and who always stay on a strict diet.
Genetics play a huge part in all of this.

[JOCKTHEGLIDE]

uhh,,,no fella your just delusiona,,,,

gh15 approved

pretty sums it all up.

Yes there are lots of guys on steroids pretending to be naturals, but there are also gifted and extremely consistant, dedicated genuine naturals who look great without using any drugs. The guys who ve been training one hour a day for 10,15,20 years , who are meso/ectomorphic and who always stay on a strict diet.
Genetics play a huge part in all of this.

[Ursus]

why would you want to weigh 260 when 50 and more of that is pure fat?

its not good for your inner organs, for your joints etc.

with every layer of fat and water laying on your muscle all the work in the gym just disappears into nowhere.

theres that saying, if you cant flex it, dont carry it around.

that 185 guy is at roughly 6 percent bf, maybe even less.

the guy has more muscle on his fame than you do as of now.

go diet yourself down to bbuilder level and then lets see whats left.

Because it is as unhealthy to be 15% bodyfat as it is 6% bodyfat.

Naturally i am not 6% bodyfat so why diet down to it.

Plus being big and strong is fun.

[gh15]

What I am trying to say also is weight is just a number. two people at 190 at the same height same bf % can look awfully different. Structure, bone density etc all pl;ay a massive part.

I think this guy is about 185

ok and?
what upoi try to say exactly? fella is on trenbolona and he is only 185...yes some fellas are build thiner and didnt apply enough thicknening products and over all just have thinner muslce due to genetic structure ,, yes true

still this fella is on and so does all the rest in this level and  bodyfat to lean muscle ratio

gh15 approved

[gh15]

why would you want to weigh 260 when 50 and more of that is pure fat?

its not good for your inner organs, for your joints etc.

with every layer of fat and water laying on your muscle all the work in the gym just disappears into nowhere.

theres that saying, if you cant flex it, dont carry it around.

that 185 guy is at roughly 6 percent bf, maybe even less.

the guy has more muscle on his fame than you do as of now.

go diet yourself down to bbuilder level and then lets see whats left.

sure does,, the 180lb fella has more muscle than the 260 lb fella ,, sure does ,, more conditioned muscle!

gh15 approved

[armchairifbbjudge]

i've not seen a natural physique on this board

[Ursus]

Not on your nelly!

those are probably 16" arms. All lighting, angles and pump!

[gh15]

pretty sums it all up.

Yes there are lots of guys on steroids pretending to be naturals, but there are also gifted and extremely consistant, dedicated genuine naturals who look great without using any drugs. The guys who ve been training one hour a day for 10,15,20 years , who are meso/ectomorphic and who always stay on a strict diet.
Genetics play a huge part in all of this.

yep they are trhere friend,, you can find them indeed

5'10 165lb 6-8% over all bodyfat ,, fat burners and few miserbble atempts at halodrol which is not that miserable since it is a damn hormone!,, but yes they are there 165lb 5'10 after good 5-10 years of no life but natural bodybuild and creatine homohydrate,,wil they look good yes.. will they look impressive in pictures ? yes by thsmelves...

will they look thick muscly matureed developed bodybuild? no! they just dont have the products to get there no mater how good they are

gh15 approved

[gh15]

Not on your nelly!

those are probably 16" arms. All lighting, angles and pump!

no he is hormonized and more conditioned muscle than you ,, actualy he would wope flor with you on stage,, and infact! no girl in any gym will evenm look at you when he enter,, he is wet dream for female and male depending on orientation ,, he is bodybuild on low dose testosterona and no hgh before mutation occure

gh15 approved

[Ursus]

Leaner. Not more muscle.

That is all.

[gh15]

more visible muscle my friend,, this is al thaty counts,, when you talk bodybuildl this is all that counts,, if he was 170 i would say you are right but no...he is 185....this is 15 extre lb of lean lean muscle,, this fella is not some balonie ,, he know his shit and as muscular as a bigger fella full of water and 14%...

gh15 approved

[Ursus]

Apples and Oranges

[flinstones1]

Because it is as unhealthy to be 15% bodyfat as it is 6% bodyfat.

Naturally i am not 6% bodyfat so why diet down to it.

Plus being big and strong is fun.

ummmmm your not big or strong, your a big thick boned natural who weights 50 pounds more than he looks.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

is halo causing him to scream nonsense in between sets?

is this involontary or is it an act?

i mean i admit me and my workout partner sometimes grunt to get intensity going but shouting these bizarre slogans like

BURY ALL!!!!

or


LAYNE WOULD YOU SACRIFICE TO WIN?!!!


or


THAT IS EASY! THATS A JOKE!!!!


is taking it to a whole new level


or is this simply a nerd trying to imitate branch warren and ronnie coleman who are legit monsters

Damn, that bar is halfway down his back. 

[armchairifbbjudge]

this explains why he has subpar quad development


normal squats are superior

[Metabolic]

this explains why he has subpar quad development


normal squats are superior

There is no such a thing like "normal squats", dildo.

[armchairifbbjudge]

There is no such a thing like "normal squats", dildo.

this is how i squat and this is considered normal squats

the type of squat he is attempting is called "power squat"

[The Abdominal Snoman]

do you think the way norton squats there is the best way to make the legs grow?

his shitty form is further evidence that hes not natural.

I wouldn't want to be his spine in a few years from now. Whats odd is he is a student of nutrition/lifting techniques etc. One would think that he would lose the ego and start using form that would allow him to be able to lift weight decades from now. Instead he'll wind up in a wheel chair before his 40 birthday.

[armchairifbbjudge]

I wouldn't want to be his spine in a few years from now. Whats odd is he is a student of nutrition/lifting techniques etc. One would think that he would lose the ego and start using form that would allow him to be able to lift weight decades from now. Instead he'll wind up in a wheel chair before his 40 birthday.

he keeps defending his form on youtube when all youtubers laugh at it


he says he has a short torso and long limbs so is forced to squat like this


well then i don't know how tall lay nortom is but misha is 6'4" and he squats with text book form

he can even do it with no hands

bottom line lay nortom is somehow mechanically deformed if he can't squat properly

[jr]

"Living a lie can put a lot of strain on ones psyche, unless one is a sociopath." - Ubermann

[Ursus]

ummmmm your not big or strong, your a big thick boned natural who weights 50 pounds more than he looks.

Yes 7" wrists at 6'3 screams big boned.

[Ursus]

nobodys is naturally at 6 percent, if were talking without touching weights and eating like average persons.

bodybuilding is not the healthiest sport to do natural or not, but the less you weigh the better for your health, that much is established.

i mean, why not settle for something like a permanent 10percent, this way joints will still be ok lubricated and you are able to eat cheat meals quite often.

and it will look better.

no ofense

I agree you make sense tbh.

I am a few lbs of 10% I would say. Maybe 10-12lbs