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Re: UFC 141 - the Overeem era is here!!!
« Reply #125 on: January 10, 2012, 05:27:04 PM »
Too many people underestimating Junior here. He might not be as technically polished as Alistair, but his style is VERY effective for MMA and believe it or not he has better boxing and head movement than Overeem. And the last time Reem went up against a good boxer he got GTFO by the Russian paratrooper.

Wasn't Junior trying to get involved in the Pan Am games or the Olympics or some shit a little while ago??

Junior's gonna beat Alistair, watch and see  ;D




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Re: UFC 141 - the Overeem era is here!!!
« Reply #126 on: January 10, 2012, 05:35:44 PM »
You must be new to mma or have a mild case of down syndrome.  A professional kickboxer will destroy a boxer every time.  In terms of striking, Boxing is first, then Kickboxing, and mma is at the bottom.  Alistair isn't the best technical striker, but better than any other other heavyweight, though we have to wait for the JDS fight to see who comes on top. 

I don't know if you've watched any K-1, but there have been pro boxers in K-1 and they haven't faired very well.  When they start getting kicked everything changes.  The cute little footwork goes to shit after a couple of proper K-1, Bonjasky-style mule kicks to the thighs.  Nevermind a head kick.  I've seen JDS make a lot of mistakes leaving himself open in standup exchanges.  Overeem, needless to say, is stronger and probably hits as hard as Carwin, if not harder seeing as he is more techical. 

Regardless of what happens, this is going to be a hell of a fight.  Junior probably has a better chin than Overeem since he's never been k'od, but Overeem has the power advantage.  If in doubt, while JDS couldn't knock out Big Country, Overeem put down Ben Edwards (look it up to know what this is a valid comparison) three times from three punches in one round. 

  Wait, there is a contradiction there. You first state that a kickboxer would destroy a boxer, and then claim that when it comes to striking, boxing is first, then kickboxing and then MMA is at the bottom. Are you sure you don't suffer from Down's Syndrome ???

  And yeah, boxers have lost in K-1 fighting with K-1 rules. Have you seen the glove size in K-1? Almost as big boxing gloves. In MMA, the gloves are much smaller and you can knock out someone with one well placed punch.

  As for Overeem having more power, yeah, that's why he wins with devastating KOs, right? I mean, he couldn't KO tire-repairman, Brett Rogers, nor could he knock out Werdum even though he lended two solid blows to Werdum in their fight. Now look at what JDS did to Werdum in their fight: one uppercut and Werdum went to sleep. Overeem wins most of his fights via TKO or submission(guillotine chokes) and not KO. The guy has so little power for his size. He can't bust a grape!

  A great boxer beats a great kickboxer in a fight with tiny gloves 9 out of 10 times. A great boxer is better with his fists than a great kickboxer. It is much easier to KO someone with a right overhand or even a well placed jab to the chin than with knees. Great boxers are very good at eluding the clinch with their foot work and they are very good at the clinch.

  I predict JDS will knock out Overeem because he has more KO power, a tougher chin, and because I can see JDS connecting with his hands much faster and easier than Overeem being able to successfully clinch and knee JDS. Boxers are very good on the clinch. Getting out of the clinch is such a huge part of boxing. Yes, Overeem is stronger and if he clinches JDS might not be able to get out and get KOd. But I think that if Overeem gets that close he will get an overhand right to his ear before he gets the chance to do that.

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Re: UFC 141 - the Overeem era is here!!!
« Reply #127 on: January 10, 2012, 05:37:36 PM »
Too many people underestimating Junior here. He might not be as technically polished as Alistair, but his style is VERY effective for MMA and believe it or not he has better boxing and head movement than Overeem. And the last time Reem went up against a good boxer he got GTFO by the Russian paratrooper.

Wasn't Junior trying to get involved in the Pan Am games or the Olympics or some shit a little while ago??

Junior's gonna beat Alistair, watch and see  ;D





my quesiton to you is why did you post a picture of Kharitonov on this forum?

Nobody on here knows who he is....he's never been on the Ultimate Fighter

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Re: UFC 141 - the Overeem era is here!!!
« Reply #128 on: January 10, 2012, 05:46:08 PM »
my quesiton to you is why did you post a picture of Kharitonov on this forum?

Nobody on here knows who he is....he's never been on the Ultimate Fighter

I was just hoping the people posting on the topic would have knowledge about the sport they are posting about is all    :-\

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Re: UFC 141 - the Overeem era is here!!!
« Reply #129 on: January 10, 2012, 05:49:02 PM »
I was just hoping the people posting on the topic would have knowledge about the sport they are posting about is all    :-\

let me make this clear for you my friend....there are no MMA fans on this forum


I'm sure a couple of people own TapOut shirts and a whole lot of them think that Bonnar vs. Griffin is the greatest fight of all time ( ::)) but, believe me, there are no MMA fans on this forum (aside from yourself)

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Re: UFC 141 - the Overeem era is here!!!
« Reply #130 on: January 10, 2012, 06:05:29 PM »
let me make this clear for you my friend....there are no MMA fans on this forum


I'm sure a couple of people own TapOut shirts and a whole lot of them think that Bonnar vs. Griffin is the greatest fight of all time ( ::)) but, believe me, there are no MMA fans on this forum (aside from yourself)

C'mon Johnny ,I have been watching MMA since 1996 ,I have about 300 videos (vcr) and dvd's,from UFC ,Pride, KOTC, Bodog ....etc.  I even have the video of Marcos Rua heel hook on Gary Goodrige.

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Re: UFC 141 - the Overeem era is here!!!
« Reply #131 on: January 10, 2012, 06:08:10 PM »
let me make this clear for you my friend....there are no MMA fans on this forum


I'm sure a couple of people own TapOut shirts and a whole lot of them think that Bonnar vs. Griffin is the greatest fight of all time ( ::)) but, believe me, there are no MMA fans on this forum (aside from yourself)
Speak for yourself Van Damme

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« Reply #132 on: January 10, 2012, 06:14:20 PM »
C'mon Johnny ,I have been watching MMA since 1996 ,I have about 300 videos (vcr) and dvd's,from UFC ,Pride, KOTC, Bodog ....etc.  I even have the video of Marcos Rua heel hook on Gary Goodrige.

Ahh so you are up on your mma, thought you were an angry, bitter has been boxer  ;D
Thats 1 more credible opinion on the sport on these forums, how many we have now maybe half a dozen KNOWLEDGEABLE fight fans on here? lol

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Re: UFC 141 - the Overeem era is here!!!
« Reply #133 on: January 10, 2012, 06:16:25 PM »


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« Reply #134 on: January 10, 2012, 06:17:36 PM »
Fawking nice tits! more please :P

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Re: UFC 141 - the Overeem era is here!!!
« Reply #135 on: January 10, 2012, 06:20:09 PM »


what a Doll!

hey Gangstalean, what's her name?  you know all the photo and King chicks.

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Re: UFC 141 - the Overeem era is here!!!
« Reply #136 on: January 10, 2012, 06:26:24 PM »
Ahh so you are up on your mma, thought you were an angry, bitter has been boxer  ;D
Thats 1 more credible opinion on the sport on these forums, how many we have now maybe half a dozen KNOWLEDGEABLE fight fans on here? lol

You don't know many things about me Bill Anvil because  I don't like to talk about the past.
I hate the UFC (not MMA) and I hate UFC fans,   I wish MMA  would have stayed the way it was in the 90's.

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Re: UFC 141 - the Overeem era is here!!!
« Reply #137 on: January 10, 2012, 06:28:13 PM »
C'mon Johnny ,I have been watching MMA since 1996 ,I have about 300 videos (vcr) and dvd's,from UFC ,Pride, KOTC, Bodog ....etc.  I even have the video of Marcos Rua heel hook on Gary Goodrige.


okay so there are two real mma fans on here


btw, you know I have a soft spot for Marco Ruas don't you haha

Speak for yourself Van Damme

van damme is a GOD...he gets a pass



okay---maybe I should take back what I said

there are A COUPLE of people who are actually real MMA fans and who actually know who Kazushi Sakuraba or Akira Maeda are

but there are ALOT of posers on this forum

it's almost as bad as the UG

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Re: UFC 141 - the Overeem era is here!!!
« Reply #138 on: January 10, 2012, 06:31:47 PM »

btw, you know I have a soft spot for Marco Ruas don't you ha

I know ,you told me  Marco  banged your mom.

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Re: UFC 141 - the Overeem era is here!!!
« Reply #139 on: January 10, 2012, 06:36:14 PM »
You don't know many things about me Bill Anvil because  I don't like to talk about the past.
I hate the UFC (not MMA) and I hate UFC fans,   I wish MMA  would have stayed the way it was in the 90's.

Couldn't agree with you more mr guevara, UFC is the biggest cancer in sports, and they've created the dumbest fans in sports history.
If it stayed the way it was in those days, guys like Georges St Pierre wouldn't step anywhere near the cage which wouldnt be so bad.

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Re: UFC 141 - the Overeem era is here!!!
« Reply #140 on: January 10, 2012, 06:41:21 PM »
Mark Hunt has the best shot at beating Junior, ftw

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« Reply #141 on: January 10, 2012, 07:13:31 PM »
Couldn't agree with you more mr guevara, UFC is the biggest cancer in sports, and they've created the dumbest fans in sports history.
If it stayed the way it was in those days, guys like Georges St Pierre wouldn't step anywhere near the cage which wouldnt be so bad.
Don't get me wrong I respect the fighters.

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Re: UFC 141 - the Overeem era is here!!!
« Reply #142 on: January 10, 2012, 07:59:49 PM »
overeem adcc european champ.... grappler! and a very good one!
jds?????? not an bjj expert at all! lol.. overeem will kill him on the ground...
and he will kill him in the stand up.....


  Cigano's "Jiu" it's getting better and better... like you said fighters evolve ;)
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Re: UFC 141 - the Overeem era is here!!!
« Reply #143 on: January 10, 2012, 08:07:47 PM »
Don't get me wrong I respect the fighters.

Same man, got a ton of respect for any guy who gets in there but to me, the top tier elites are a pretty rare breed of person. Sure, anybody can be an mma fighter, but to me very few people can be really, really good at it.

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Re: UFC 141 - the Overeem era is here!!!
« Reply #144 on: January 11, 2012, 01:18:48 AM »
let me make this clear for you my friend....there are no MMA fans on this forum


I'm sure a couple of people own TapOut shirts and a whole lot of them think that Bonnar vs. Griffin is the greatest fight of all time ( ::)) but, believe me, there are no MMA fans on this forum (aside from yourself)
And me, I remember watching live Alex emelienenko kneeing kharikanov half unconscious on the ground in
Pride

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Re: UFC 141 - the Overeem era is here!!!
« Reply #145 on: January 11, 2012, 01:47:02 AM »
a great boxer always beats a great kickboxer??? yeah only on boxing rules, so kickboxers can't use their legs lol!!
have you ever watched k1...??? have you seen how boxers did???? lol....

These "experts" just don't get it and when Overeem proves them wrong they'll start crying about steroids, JDS's game plan or whatever. Eventually Overeem will lose again and then they'll be jumping up and down saying "I told you so". Wankers...

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Re: UFC 141 - the Overeem era is here!!!
« Reply #146 on: January 11, 2012, 01:49:21 AM »
overeem adcc european champ.... grappler! and a very good one!
jds?????? not an bjj expert at all! lol.. overeem will kill him on the ground...
and he will kill him in the stand up.....


I've said it before and I'll say it again. Lesnar was potentially a bigger threat to Overeem than JDS is.

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Re: UFC 141 - the Overeem era is here!!!
« Reply #147 on: January 11, 2012, 09:31:04 AM »
And me, I remember watching live Alex emelienenko kneeing kharikanov half unconscious on the ground in
Pride

My all time fav fight, was so violent and I loved it when Sergei taunted Aleks just before he got dropped. Then after he wakes up from the knees hes looking at the refs like' wtf why did you stop it!' Sergei is such a tough mofo. So is Aleks, damn shame hes a wasted talent though really wanted to see him in some big fights.

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Re: UFC 141 - the Overeem era is here!!!
« Reply #148 on: January 11, 2012, 09:34:26 AM »
And me, I remember watching live Alex emelienenko kneeing kharikanov half unconscious on the ground in
Pride

yes- you and des as well



btw, greatest fight ever (even though it was kinda a "work") was Sakuraba vs Carlos Newton

Probably the most aesthetically pleasing fight I had ever seen in my life

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Re: UFC 141 - the Overeem era is here!!!
« Reply #149 on: January 11, 2012, 10:05:30 AM »


what a Doll!

hey lean, i know you're busy but what's the name of this model?