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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #225 on: January 06, 2012, 02:35:51 AM »
The above comparison pic bdb with munzer and wheeler says it all, when in shape the guy was hard to beat.
I feel he still had some growing left to do, get the upper body to catch up to the wheels
He was never gonna be 280 and match nassers larger and taller structure, but wouldve held his own

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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #226 on: January 06, 2012, 02:54:02 AM »
The above comparison pic bdb with munzer and wheeler says it all, when in shape the guy was hard to beat.
I feel he still had some growing left to do, get the upper body to catch up to the wheels
He was never gonna be 280 and match nassers larger and taller structure, but wouldve held his own
Mike was thicker than an industrial strength shit brickhouse---that pic says it all...
There was a pic in Musclemag of the 97 Arnold and Mike was doing a latspread---shit was off the meter.

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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #227 on: January 06, 2012, 03:41:51 AM »
Blah Blah Blah....He was better than Nasser. he had a better look, he was rounder, his head was normal sized. he had a more refined and detailed physique.

Nasser was a blob of meat...poor shape, very little detail, and his head was too big
Mike was better looking to - no homo

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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #228 on: January 06, 2012, 04:23:44 AM »
Some like myself prefer the francois physique

Others nasser

Sadly francois' career was cut short, and he wasn't able to get fanatical worshipping, soied underwear buying, nut hugging fans

But he left enough of an impact for us to still be talking bout him

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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #229 on: January 06, 2012, 05:23:44 AM »
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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #230 on: January 06, 2012, 11:24:04 AM »
The reason Francois could not duplicate his 95 AC win was not due to his condition deteriorating but due to the lack of competition at the 95 AC.  In 95 he beat an off Flex Wheeler, then later in 97 he got third to an On Flex Wheeler and Nasser.  Had Nasser competed at the 95 AC or Flex Wheeler been on in 95 Francois would have also gotten 3rd in 95.  

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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #231 on: January 06, 2012, 11:27:06 AM »
Am I the only one who sees the contradiction between ND from yesterday to today?  ::)

we would have found out how Nasser would have fared at the Arnold against Mike but he didn't enter , I think 1995 Houston Pro vs Mike 95 Arnold would have been a hell of a battle and it would have been close but we'll never know.

Lets entertain 95 Arnold was his best , he would still beat Nasser

Mike's problem was nailing his conditioning and when he did that he won. This would wipe the floor with Nasser with ease and I mean any version of Nasser

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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #232 on: January 06, 2012, 11:43:05 AM »
The greatest thing about these "Nasser Vs." Threads is that you could compare Trey Brewer to Nasser and these guys would react like you just shot their mother  ;D

"WHAT!!??!!" .Nasser was one of the best big men to ever step onstage!!!....." Look at these pics from the 96 Olympia !!!...Nasser clearly has better delts, and his ab and thigh pose is unmatched to this day!!!!....you assholes just don't like Nasser because he was an arab!!!!!!"  :D

Sherief gets so personally offended his head is going to explode one day

Bobs thinks he's smarter than everyone , talks in circles and ignores any counterpoints like you didn't say them

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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #233 on: January 06, 2012, 12:21:57 PM »
Am I the only one who sees the contradiction between ND from yesterday to today?  ::)


typical ND so no wonder!!.. he likes to argue for arguing sake especially when it comes to nasser..

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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #234 on: January 06, 2012, 12:28:21 PM »
The greatest thing about these "Nasser Vs." Threads is that you could compare Trey Brewer to Nasser and these guys would react like you just shot their mother  ;D

"WHAT!!??!!" .Nasser was one of the best big men to ever step onstage!!!....." Look at these pics from the 96 Olympia !!!...Nasser clearly has better delts, and his ab and thigh pose is unmatched to this day!!!!....you assholes just don't like Nasser because he was an arab!!!!!!"  :D

Sherief gets so personally offended his head is going to explode one day

Bobs thinks he's smarter than everyone , talks in circles and ignores any counterpoints like you didn't say them

because you are not taken seriously when it comes to nasser.. one day you say that nasser was an ugly block and one day you say he was one of the greatest ever!!.. before A23 became friends with nasser you were saying shit all the time about nasser then after they became friends you changed your mind and saw nasser a nice guy whom you would like to meet... but for your bad luck the wizard refused your dream to come true ;D

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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #235 on: January 06, 2012, 12:47:59 PM »
typical ND so no wonder!!.. he likes to argue for arguing sake especially when it comes to nasser..

 ;D

Okay was just pushing buttons. I do feel it would be a close contest but Mike would beat him out.

I just like reminding Nasser fans he wasn't that special.

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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #236 on: January 06, 2012, 12:53:16 PM »
The greatest thing about these "Nasser Vs." Threads is that you could compare Trey Brewer to Nasser and these guys would react like you just shot their mother  ;D

"WHAT!!??!!" .Nasser was one of the best big men to ever step onstage!!!....." Look at these pics from the 96 Olympia !!!...Nasser clearly has better delts, and his ab and thigh pose is unmatched to this day!!!!....you assholes just don't like Nasser because he was an arab!!!!!!"  :D

Sherief gets so personally offended his head is going to explode one day

Bobs thinks he's smarter than everyone , talks in circles and ignores any counterpoints like you didn't say them

Very true. Sherief I understand his obsession with Nasser because he is half Egyptian and that's the closest thing to a sports superstar who is from Egyptian decent. Bobs commits to a lot of stupid statements and always ends up eating crow and like you said just ignore it

It all stems from them building up Nasser so much they actually believe he was that good when in reality he simply wasn't and they DO NOT like being reminded of this , ignorance is bliss.

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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #237 on: January 06, 2012, 12:56:41 PM »
Bigbobs,

You mentioned nassers illnesses

Besides the scar tissue build up/infection in delt, what other ilnesses did he have?

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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #238 on: January 06, 2012, 01:17:22 PM »
Bigbobs,

You mentioned nassers illnesses

Besides the scar tissue build up/infection in delt, what other ilnesses did he have?

El-Sonbaty-ism

causes one to give extensive interviews to bb.com and out of the fucking blue trash all sorts of people and burn every possible bridge.

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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #239 on: January 06, 2012, 01:24:55 PM »
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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #240 on: January 06, 2012, 01:50:07 PM »
The reason Francois could not duplicate his 95 AC win was not due to his condition deteriorating but due to the lack of competition at the 95 AC.  In 95 he beat an off Flex Wheeler, then later in 97 he got third to an On Flex Wheeler and Nasser.  Had Nasser competed at the 95 AC or Flex Wheeler been on in 95 Francois would have also gotten 3rd in 95.  

More speculation on your behalf backed up with nothing as usual.

The guy competed in 9 contest and got sick but he couldn't ever improve and that's the best he was ever gonna look  ::) give me a fucking break

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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #241 on: January 06, 2012, 01:55:08 PM »
You've contradicted yourself so many times in this thread and every time you're called on it you give the response that you're just trying to get us riled up or push buttons, when in actuality you were hoping no one would notice your contradictions.  Like I said you have your biases and its evident in many of your posts.  Can't really take your posts seriously when they contradict each other so many times. 

because Mike beat Flex at the 1995 Arnold and Flex routinely beat Nasser

What bias? where did I say Mike was better? where?

I told you I never really gave this subject much thought but already concluded Nasser would probably beat him from the front and him from the back , so I'm really not biased when it comes to either

That was to get fanboys flustered and it obviously worked

I already said Nasser beats him from the front , I think Nasser beats him in the ab-thigh easily and the front double biceps the latspreads and closer as is the standing relaxed  , I think Mike beats Nasser from the back just as soundly the sides are kinda of in the air but because I would really need to see them side-by-side on-stage at the same time to get a real good look

we would have found out how Nasser would have fared at the Arnold against Mike but he didn't enter , I think 1995 Houston Pro vs Mike 95 Arnold would have been a hell of a battle and it would have been close but we'll never know.

Lets entertain 95 Arnold was his best , he would still beat Nasser

Mike's problem was nailing his conditioning and when he did that he won. This would wipe the floor with Nasser with ease and I mean any version of Nasser

Okay was just pushing buttons. I do feel it would be a close contest but Mike would beat him out.

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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #242 on: January 06, 2012, 01:56:10 PM »
Thong Wars.

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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #243 on: January 06, 2012, 01:57:27 PM »
More speculation on your behalf backed up with nothing as usual.

The guy competed in 9 contest and got sick but he couldn't ever improve and that's the best he was ever gonna look  ::) give me a fucking break

9 contests but OVER FOUR YEARS and he got sick after those 9 contests so its really not that short of a career to assess.  Yeah if 9 contests are within one year and include 5-6 GP's and an Olympia back-to-back you can say there wasn't much to assess, but these 9 shows were spread out over four years and he had lots of time and chances to produce something better to beat Nasser with but simply could not and did not.

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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #244 on: January 06, 2012, 02:03:07 PM »
You've contradicted yourself so many times in this thread and every time you're called on it you give the response that you're just trying to get us riled up or push buttons, when in actuality you were hoping no one would notice your contradictions.  Like I said you have your biases and its evident in many of your posts.  Can't really take your posts seriously when they contradict each other so many times. 


LMFAO I would hope no one would notice , dude I don't care stop projecting your emotional state onto me , I never touched this thread until I read the bullshit you typed and decided to correct it.You believe what you want I learned long ago that you think way , way to highly of Nasser and common sense wont bring you back to the reality


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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #245 on: January 06, 2012, 02:11:03 PM »
9 contests but OVER FOUR YEARS and he got sick after those 9 contests so its really not that short of a career to assess.  Yeah if 9 contests are within one year and include 5-6 GP's and an Olympia back-to-back you can say there wasn't much to assess, but these 9 shows were spread out over four years and he had lots of time and chances to produce something better to beat Nasser with but simply could not and did not.

You don't know when he got sick , you don't know when his symptoms started , more bullshit speculation on your behalf. 9 contests is NOTHING compared to Nasser's 53

You said he never came close to Nasser from 1995 on , I proved you flat out wrong on this in fact he placed right behind Nasser , I make no excuses for him not placing behind Nasser but it's very safe to assume we never seen the best Mike could be and he was still competitive before he got sick. He stopped competing at just 32 years old ! to say Mike he reached the best he ever could is stupid and ignorant

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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #246 on: January 06, 2012, 02:19:31 PM »
Does anyone have comparisons between Francois and El Sonbaty from the early '97 shows?  IIRC, Mike was about 260 and had much deeper separation in his quads than Nasser in the '97 ASC.  And obviously, he didn't look like a mess from the back.  

At the time, I figured Francois' superior balance should have garnered him 2nd place behind Flex.  But I admit part of that was influenced by Julian Schmidt's LSD-induced contest raving review and not so much good pictures and video.

I will say this, though:  I do think Nasser probably should've won the '94 NOC.  Francois smoked him from the back (even though that's the best I ever saw Nasser's back look), but I'd easily give Nasser front biceps, ab/thigh and probably front lat spread.  Side poses ... eh.  I reckon Nasser took the side-triceps.  Side-chest, I dunno.  Mike's chest seemed to have deeper cuts from that angle but Nasser's chest was very hard and jutted out more.  Most-muscular is tough to call.  Nasser's delts were bigger, but both guys' pecs were very detailed from the front.  Nasser knew how to hit that pose while Francois always seemed awkward, too bent over or something (?).

When Nasser won a year later, I'd suss he'd definitely beat Francois' form from the year before.  And I also think Flex and Ronnie in the '96 show would've beat them both :)  Well, Flex anyway.  Ronnie was upwards of 240 by that point and shredded as fuck, but his posing was still very rough and compared to his arms and chest, his shoulders still lacked a little bit.  

Of course, when he won the same show in '98, he'd passed Nasser, Flex, Mike and everybody else by a parsec or two :D


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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #247 on: January 06, 2012, 03:01:35 PM »
You don't know when he got sick , you don't know when his symptoms started , more bullshit speculation on your behalf.

Neither do you!  You are just speculating as well when you say he could have improved, did not show his best, etc.  I'm going off of actual head-to-head contests between nasser and francois, where francois did not win any except for the pre-95 version of Nasser which as night and day apart from what he presented from 95 onward.  So what if Francois retired at 32?  You said Nasser's best was 95 Houston and he was only 29 at the time.  Further speculation on your part to think that just because Francois was 32 he had more room to improve, especially when his best was apparently a show done two years earlier and tow years younger.

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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #248 on: January 06, 2012, 03:08:18 PM »
Neither do you!  You are just speculating as well when you say he could have improved, did not show his best, etc.  I'm going off of actual head-to-head contests between nasser and francois, where francois did not win any except for the pre-95 version of Nasser which as night and day apart from what he presented from 95 onward.  So what if Francois retired at 32?  You said Nasser's best was 95 Houston and he was only 29 at the time.  Further speculation on your part to think that just because Francois was 32 he had more room to improve, especially when his best was apparently a show done two years earlier and tow years younger.


No I'm not , unlike you who claimed erroneously that Mike never came close to Nasser 95 on  ::) when in fact he did. You make shit up and try as pass it off as fact not the first time either.

Mike was still competitive and then got sick , again to claim he reached his absolute best physique wise is just dumb and even entertaining  it was , he had all the tools to beat Nasser at his best no doubts about it.


 

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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #249 on: January 06, 2012, 03:13:05 PM »
No I'm not , unlike you who claimed erroneously that Mike never came close to Nasser 95 on  ::) when in fact he did. You make shit up and try as pass it off as fact not the first time either.

Mike was still competitive and then got sick , again to claim he reached his absolute best physique wise is just dumb and even entertaining  it was , he had all the tools to beat Nasser at his best no doubts about it.


You've said several times before that just because two bodybuilders are one place apart does not make them "close."  Regardless of what placing Francois and Nasser got, Francois ALWAYS lost from 95 onward.  You can poke at semantics all you want to try to deflect off of that point, doesnt' change the fact that Fracois had enough chances but did not and could not beat Nasser once Nasser improved post-94.

To say that Francois MAY have further improved had he not gotten sick is all spculation.  Many bodybuilders present their best at a younger age.  Nasesr was also 32 in 1997, same age as Francois, but many argue he did not improve after that year either.

When others speculate you call it "excuses" but when it comes to your favourite bodybuilders you speculate and claim anyone who disagrees is ignorant lol.