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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #250 on: January 06, 2012, 03:33:36 PM »
You've said several times before that just because two bodybuilders are one place apart does not make them "close."  Regardless of what placing Francois and Nasser got, Francois ALWAYS lost from 95 onward.  You can poke at semantics all you want to try to deflect off of that point, doesnt' change the fact that Fracois had enough chances but did not and could not beat Nasser once Nasser improved post-94.

To say that Francois MAY have further improved had he not gotten sick is all spculation.  Many bodybuilders present their best at a younger age.  Nasesr was also 32 in 1997, same age as Francois, but many argue he did not improve after that year either.

When others speculate you call it "excuses" but when it comes to your favourite bodybuilders you speculate and claim anyone who disagrees is ignorant lol. 


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You've said several times before that just because two bodybuilders are one place apart does not make them "close."  Regardless of what placing Francois and Nasser got, Francois ALWAYS lost from 95 onward.  You can poke at semantics all you want to try to deflect off of that point, doesnt' change the fact that Fracois had enough chances but did not and could not beat Nasser once Nasser improved post-94.

I agree but we don't know how close they actually were unlike you who likes to pretend to know so. Like Mike just barely beat Nasser  ::) again I'm not making excuses for Mike losing to Nasser he lost and I don't try and rewrite history ( like you ) my point was Mike was still competitive and if not for getting sick would have improved further. Would he have beaten Nasser? who knows but to act like he had his best shot and that was it is fantasy

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o say that Francois MAY have further improved had he not gotten sick is all spculation.  Many bodybuilders present their best at a younger age.  Nasesr was also 32 in 1997, same age as Francois, but many argue he did not improve after that year either.

No it's not it's logic , why? because he was still competitive at the end of his career , he was still young and still only competed a handful of times. Many bodybuilders don't present their best at a younger age I can name many who didn't including Haney whose last contest was his best showing and it isn't the age per sa , it's the experience in competing 9 contest vs 53 , you do the math

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When others speculate you call it "excuses" but when it comes to your favourite bodybuilders you speculate and claim anyone who disagrees is ignorant lol. 

Wrong as usual. When you ' speculate ' it's excuses on why Nasser was never good enough and an attempt to rewrite history , Nasser was robbed , Nasser was the victim of politics , Nasser was to outspoken so he paid the price , Nasser should have won at least 3 Olympias , you and Team Nasser contradict history , reality and facts all the time , it has nothing to do with speculation

And Mike Fancois isn't one of my favorites at all , but he's better than Nasser even if he never improved , from the back he's eons better , from the sides hes comparable if not better , and from the front he's not as good as Nasser in some poses but he's more complete and better conditioned ALL OVER so he would win

You problem is you decided Nasser is simply more than what he was and even scoffed at the idea of Mike being compared , and I will always be here to remind just how mediocre he really was using facts and history to correct you.

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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #251 on: January 06, 2012, 03:36:52 PM »
you awakn a beast bob lol
i hope you hav edictionary ready to go and all the nesasery documentation ,, since nd wil sleep on his computer through out this and wil stop eating for the next 24 hour in honor of mike
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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #252 on: January 06, 2012, 03:40:12 PM »
Cant BELEIVE this is still going ::) title of thread is stupid WHO acheived more in their carreer is the winner
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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #253 on: January 06, 2012, 03:41:10 PM »
you awakn a beast bob lol
i hope you hav edictionary ready to go and all the nesasery documentation ,, since nd wil sleep on his computer through out this and wil stop eating for the next 24 hour in honor of mike
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lol this is true but I am getting tired of the back-and-fourth because he does change his stance so many times.  Earlier he was saying he does not know who i his opinion was better between Nasser and Francois, then he said Francois is better, then claimed he said so only to push my buttons, and now he's reclaiming that Francois was better lol.

Speculation aside, Francois had enough chances but did not and coudl not beat Nasser once he transformed from 94 to 95.  The end.

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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #254 on: January 06, 2012, 03:42:57 PM »
Cant BELEIVE this is still going ::) title of thread is stupid WHO acheived more in their carreer is the winner

Nasser was the better competitive bodybuilder no doubts , could he beat Mike at his best? doubtful

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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #255 on: January 06, 2012, 03:46:19 PM »
Cant BELEIVE this is still going ::) title of thread is stupid WHO acheived more in their carreer is the winner

That's no contest - Nasser is the winner there, so the only straw the Francois fans have left to grasp is that Francois' best was the 95 AC and despite the fact that Nasser beat Francois numerous other times Francois is stll magically better because of the speculation that had Nasser competed in the 95 AC they don't think he would have won.  That plus a second speculation that Francois may have improved even more if he continued competing after 97.

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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #256 on: January 06, 2012, 03:51:24 PM »
lol this is true but I am getting tired of the back-and-fourth because he does change his stance so many times.  Earlier he was saying he does not know who i his opinion was better between Nasser and Francois, then he said Francois is better, then claimed he said so only to push my buttons, and now he's reclaiming that Francois was better lol.

Speculation aside, Francois had enough chances but did not and coudl not beat Nasser once he transformed from 94 to 95.  The end.

I said I never gave it much thought but now I have and it's clear Mike is better because he has less weak points and more strengths.

Nasser had many chances to beat Dorian and failed never stopped you from speculating

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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #257 on: January 06, 2012, 03:57:56 PM »
That's no contest - Nasser is the winner there, so the only straw the Francois fans have left to grasp is that Francois' best was the 95 AC and despite the fact that Nasser beat Francois numerous other times Francois is stll magically better because of the speculation that had Nasser competed in the 95 AC they don't think he would have won.  That plus a second speculation that Francois may have improved even more if he continued competing after 97.

You speculated that Nasser would have beaten Mike if he entered the 95 Arnold , yet ' speculation ' is a bad thing  ::)

I'll say without a doubt Mike 95 Arnold would beat Nasser any year and why? less flaws , more strengths better conditioning , better poser ( yes he can actually hit the mandatory poses unlike Nasser )

No matter what year Nasser doesn't touch this back from head to toe and he's comparable from the sides and depending on the pose wins from the front , as usual Nasser loses against more complete better guys nothing new.


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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #258 on: January 06, 2012, 04:19:04 PM »
You speculated that Nasser would have beaten Mike if he entered the 95 Arnold , yet ' speculation ' is a bad thing  ::)

I only discussed the "what if" Nasser competed in the 95 Arnold to entertain you because you kept saying 95 AC was Francois' best, but in actuality that doesn't even need to be speculated as part of the discussion because Nasser beat Francois more than enough times to prove who was better.  

I'll say without a doubt Mike 95 Arnold would beat Nasser any year and why? less flaws , more strengths better conditioning , better poser ( yes he can actually hit the mandatory poses unlike Nasser )

LOL You can say whatever you want doesnt make it true ;)

At the end of the day Nasser has many victories over Francois, and all you have are excuses

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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #259 on: January 06, 2012, 04:24:04 PM »
I'm glad to see that bobs' man-love for Nasser is as strong now, as it was 6 years ago, when he first professed it. You don't see that kind of commitment these days.

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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #260 on: January 06, 2012, 04:25:39 PM »
I'm glad to see that bobs' man-love for Nasser is as strong now, as it was 6 years ago, when he first professed it. You don't see that kind of commitment these days.

I see your double-standard is still strong now, as you make remarks like the above about my defending Nasser whereas I don't see you making such posts about ND towards Yates despite the latter being much greater

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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #261 on: January 06, 2012, 04:27:02 PM »
I only discussed the "what if" Nasser competed in the 95 Arnold to entertain you because you kept saying 95 AC was Francois' best, but in actuality that doesn't even need to be speculated as part of the discussion because Nasser beat Francois more than enough times to prove who was better.  

LOL You can say whatever you want doesnt make it true ;)

At the end of the day Nasser has many victories over Francois, and all you have are excuses

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I only discussed the "what if" Nasser competed in the 95 Arnold to entertain you because you kept saying 95 AC was Francois' best, but in actuality that doesn't even need to be speculated as part of the discussion because Nasser beat Francois more than enough times to prove who was better.  

You speculated and now you're bitching about people speculating , hypocrite.  ;) and Nasser beat Mike when he wasn't as his best ( not his fault ) could he do it when it was 100%? real doubtful considering he's not as complete or conditioned.

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LOL You can say whatever you want doesnt make it true ;)

At the end of the day Nasser has many victories over Francois, and all you have are excuses

Oh the irony , says Mike just barely beat Nasser , I could go on and on and on about all the nonsense you typed that just because it was said doesn't make it true , again you're being a hypocrite.

I'm making no excuses why Mike lost ( you the hypocrite has had a long storied history of making excuses why Nasser was never good enough and always lost ) 

Did Mike 95 ASC lose to Nasser? nope and in all probability he wouldn't Mike is simply better for the reasons I explained.

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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #262 on: January 06, 2012, 04:28:09 PM »
I see your double-standard is still strong now, as you make remarks like the above about my defending Nasser whereas I don't see you making such posts about ND towards Yates despite the latter being much greater

Maybe you need to pay attention more , he doesn't let me off the hook.  ;)

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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #263 on: January 06, 2012, 04:29:47 PM »
Maybe you need to pay attention more , he doesn't let me off the hook.  ;)

Okay I must have missed it then.

Anyway I'm taking off from work and I usually don't post much at home, hope you have a good weekend (I do mean that :))

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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #264 on: January 06, 2012, 04:30:57 PM »
Okay I must have missed it then.

Anyway I'm taking off from work and I usually don't post much at home, hope you have a good weekend (I do mean that :))

You to Bobs  :)


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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #265 on: January 06, 2012, 04:31:40 PM »
I see your double-standard is still strong now, as you make remarks like the above about my defending Nasser whereas I don't see you making such posts about ND towards Yates despite the latter being much greater
ND maybe a fan, and one who takes it [forensically] too far on occasion(s), but I've never noticed a creepy/skeevy vibe with his posts. And, I'll bet he has no Dorian 'sports memorabilia,' neither.    

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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #266 on: January 06, 2012, 04:44:14 PM »
Another thread where Opinions are a Million to one ether way, both Huge guys, Both with advantages, Francis with the V Taper and Better back Nasser with the chest and outright size factor who's better? under 250lbs with size and total conditioning Francis, over 250lbs Nasser.

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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #267 on: January 06, 2012, 05:26:39 PM »
;D

Okay was just pushing buttons. I do feel it would be a close contest but Mike would beat him out.

I just like reminding Nasser fans he wasn't that special.

nasser was not that special??!!.. so can you answer simply why he was always referred to as the ppl champion and crowd favorite in the 90s??.. dont tell me because he was big or dillett too was going to be the crowd favorite and plz dont tell me you are pushing buttons ::)

as i said you just like to argue pretending to have logic and here when bobs showed your contradiction you were just pushing buttons :-X

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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #268 on: January 06, 2012, 05:40:31 PM »
nasser was not that special??!!.. so can you answer simply why he was always referred to as the ppl champion and crowd favorite in the 90s??.. dont tell me because he was big or dillett too was going to be the crowd favorite and plz dont tell me you are pushing buttons ::)

as i said you just like to argue pretending to have logic and here when bobs showed your contradiction you were just pushing buttons :-X

Mass monster = very popular with uneducated fans , The only reason why Nasser was so popular along with Dillett


pretend to have logic? like Mike like never came close to Nasser 95 on despite placing right behind him in 3rd on two occasions in 97? pretend to have logic like Mike just barely beat Nasser despite never seeing the scorecard? Mike could never improve even though he only competed 9 times? I mean shoot I can bring up the Levrone logic as well? but you get the point.

I should just make things up like Team Nasser  :D




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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #269 on: January 06, 2012, 05:42:09 PM »
bobs is destroying ND in this thread the same way nasser was destroying mike here ;D


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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #270 on: January 06, 2012, 06:04:08 PM »
Mass monster = very popular with uneducated fans , The only reason why Nasser was so popular along with Dillett


pretend to have logic? like Mike like never came close to Nasser 95 on despite placing right behind him in 3rd on two occasions in 97? pretend to have logic like Mike just barely beat Nasser despite never seeing the scorecard? Mike could never improve even though he only competed 9 times? I mean shoot I can bring up the Levrone logic as well? but you get the point.

I should just make things up like Team Nasser  :D





dillett was NEVER as popular as nasser in mid 90s.. so my question is why do you think nasser was the ppl champ and not dillett!!!..

it's funny you are talking to me while showing what bobs said (lack of logic as always)!!.. but yes i agree with all what bobs said and know what he meant.. in 97 when mike came 3rd to nasser's 2nd in 2 contests it was crystal clear that these 2 contests were between nasser and flex (listen to the commentary of the above video).. mike was a clear 3rd after coming in a good shape (his best bigger version ever and it was BEFORE becoming sick).. he beat some of the 2nd tire top pros + off dillett and very off levrone!!.. in the olympia of the same year when dillett and levrone were on they both beat him and nasser beat them all!!..

as for the NOC it was a joke to make mike win and i posted clear comparisons showing all poses and the 2 men were standing next to each other but because you saw nasser much better you tried to say he was closer to the camera.. they were standing beside each other in the same contest, from the same angle, same lighting,.. same everything!!.. even if nasser was one step closer to the camera this doesnt mean you cant judge!!..

and finally sure mike had many chances to show better versions (if he could) before becoming sick but he couldnt.. 4 years were very enough.. and again i am saying it's all guessing.. flex presented his very best in his first year as a pro although he kept competing for more than 10 years after that!!.. and mike did compete at 260 pounds and more but his condition was affected dramatically than what he presented in AC 95.. so in your opinion what a better version mike could present to surpass his 95 best shape/form??.. his condition in 95 AC was clearly the best he could do so to say a better mike it must be a bigger version at the same condition but he tried and failed!!..

and i am not saying it was impossible to improve but it was not a sure thing as you and others try to show..

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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #271 on: January 06, 2012, 06:38:57 PM »
dillett was NEVER as popular as nasser in mid 90s.. so my question is why do you think nasser was the ppl champ and not dillett!!!..

it's funny you are talking to me while showing what bobs said (lack of logic as always)!!.. but yes i agree with all what bobs said and know what he meant.. in 97 when mike came 3rd to nasser's 2nd in 2 contests it was crystal clear that these 2 contests were between nasser and flex (listen to the commentary of the above video).. mike was a clear 3rd after coming in a good shape (his best bigger version ever and it was BEFORE becoming sick).. he beat some of the 2nd tire top pros + off dillett and very off levrone!!.. in the olympia of the same year when dillett and levrone were on they both beat him and nasser beat them all!!..

as for the NOC it was a joke to make mike win and i posted clear comparisons showing all poses and the 2 men were standing next to each other but because you saw nasser much better you tried to say he was closer to the camera.. they were standing beside each other in the same contest, from the same angle, same lighting,.. same everything!!.. even if nasser was one step closer to the camera this doesnt mean you cant judge!!..

and finally sure mike had many chances to show better versions (if he could) before becoming sick but he couldnt.. 4 years were very enough.. and again i am saying it's all guessing.. flex presented his very best in his first year as a pro although he kept competing for more than 10 years after that!!.. and mike did compete at 260 pounds and more but his condition was affected dramatically than what he presented in AC 95.. so in your opinion what a better version mike could present to surpass his 95 best shape/form??.. his condition in 95 AC was clearly the best he could do so to say a better mike it must be a bigger version at the same condition but he tried and failed!!..

and i am not saying it was impossible to improve but it was not a sure thing as you and others try to show..

Jesus dude...take a valium

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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #272 on: January 06, 2012, 07:12:26 PM »
You cant win nascar missing a wheel and you wont win a bodybuilding contest at olympia level without a back. Nasser was a great bodybuilder from the front and side but when he turned around he couldnt hold his own at NPC level, and it is a testament to how good everything else was that he placed so high in the top shows, with such a mediocre back, like Strydom with a back he could have been an olympia winner, but both of them didnt have one. Debate over.


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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #273 on: January 06, 2012, 07:22:42 PM »
someone woke up on the wrong side of the camel this morning ::)
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Re: Mike Francois Was A Better Bodybuilder Than Nasser
« Reply #274 on: January 07, 2012, 12:04:49 AM »
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