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« on: January 03, 2012, 06:56:25 PM »

ANYBODY SWITCH FROM ENTHANATE TO PROPIONATE, SAME MG THOUGH, EVERYTHING ELSE THE SAME...DIET, CARDIO, TRAINING, ETC. AND NOTICE A CHANGE FOR GOOD OR BAD, AND IF SO...WHAT?

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« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2012, 08:24:49 PM »

Yeah, switching from Cyp to Prop was a big mistake for me.  I couldn't tolerate the prop esther in terms of the pain I received from it.  Got so bad I couldn't even get up and go to the gym anymore.  I'm back on Test Cyp now as part of my hrt protocol and loving life again.
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« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2012, 03:06:46 AM »

Yeah, switching from Cyp to Prop was a big mistake for me.  I couldn't tolerate the prop esther in terms of the pain I received from it.  Got so bad I couldn't even get up and go to the gym anymore.  I'm back on Test Cyp now as part of my hrt protocol and loving life again.

More than likely it hurt because you're allergic to the Propionate ester...around 10-15% of people are allergic to this ester.
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« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2012, 03:11:44 AM »

ANYBODY SWITCH FROM ENTHANATE TO PROPIONATE, SAME MG THOUGH, EVERYTHING ELSE THE SAME...DIET, CARDIO, TRAINING, ETC. AND NOTICE A CHANGE FOR GOOD OR BAD, AND IF SO...WHAT?



Well, if you're using Enanthate or Cypionate and change to Propionate, if your running the same dose with all three forms you're going to have more active testosterone per mg. For example, Testosterone-Cypionate yields about 70mg of actual testosterone per 100mg, whereas Testosterone-Propionate will yield about 80mg of actual testosterone per 100mg. Obviously, this means more testosterone with the smaller ester if the doses are comparable.

In any case, you should be able to produce the same identical results with any of the basic testosterone compounds. The key is simply finding which one fits your needs the best, i.e. which one allows you to maintain peaked blood levels at all times with the most ease....but again, you should be able to do that with any of the common single ester testosterones fairly easily.
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« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2012, 03:42:11 AM »

much less bloat, libido is sky high. pain is pretty sux though.

also acete ester, i feel little pain but severe bloat. less libido.

ime prop > acete, enanthate, if u can tolerate.
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« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2012, 04:53:22 AM »

YA IM TALKING IN REGARDS TO BLOAT.

WOULD I BE BETTER OFF WITH PROP AT 300MG OR HG TEST AT 250MG? AND NO I DO NOT WANT TO ADD AN AI AND YES MY DIET IS "CLEAN'.  AND YES I DO RECEIVE SOME BLOATING. THINKING ABOUT ADDING SOME MASTERON AND DROPPING SOME TEST, IDK YET.
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« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2012, 07:25:27 AM »

Honestly, i couldn't tell any difference between any of the esters except prop.  I used to switch from Sust to E/C all the time and i never noticed anything.  I switched from 750mg Test E to 100mg Prop ED and noticed a slight change in water weight but it wasn't much.  I think a lot of people expect something crazy to happen when they change esters but i never noticed anything major.



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« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2012, 07:27:29 AM »

SEE YOUR POINT, AND IT'S A MORE EXPENSIVE OPTION BUT I MAY REDUCE SOME TEST AND REPLACE WITH LOW DOSE MASTERON. LET'S GO 225MG TEST, 150MG MASTERON WEEKLY NOW INSTEAD OF 375MG TEST. I NOTICE A BIG DIFFERENCE IN MY FACE VERY BIG, AND THAT MATTERS TO ME.

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« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2012, 10:17:35 AM »

Test is most certainly going to bloat you, gh or no gh. Just look at my thread for results of 1+g of test. Bloat never really went away until test was almost completely out of the loop close to the contest. Remember the changes at 3 weeks out that had you boggled? All it was was taking out gh and test and replacing w more tren and masteron.

but if you want to grow BIG, you'll need to blast test at times in high doses and accept the bloat.
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« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2012, 10:45:44 AM »

Test is most certainly going to bloat you, gh or no gh. Just look at my thread for results of 1+g of test. Bloat never really went away until test was almost completely out of the loop close to the contest. Remember the changes at 3 weeks out that had you boggled? All it was was taking out gh and test and replacing w more tren and masteron.

but if you want to grow BIG, you'll need to blast test at times in high doses and accept the bloat.

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this is how it is fellas,, you pay price for getting higher testosterona doses,, it is cycling the testosterona that give you the final look you want,,

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« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2012, 11:02:05 AM »

FINALY! someone who knows his bodybuild ,, finaly!  another oen who should be moderator in steroid boarding,,

this is how it is fellas,, you pay price for getting higher testosterona doses,, it is cycling the testosterona that give you the final look you want,,

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OK SO CHANGING EASTER ISNT THE SOLUTION. ITS UPPING THE MASTERONA, AND DOWNING THE TESTOSTERONA. WILL DO.

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« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2012, 11:10:50 AM »

OK SO CHANGING EASTER ISNT THE SOLUTION. ITS UPPING THE MASTERONA, AND DOWNING THE TESTOSTERONA. WILL DO.



ofcourse,, for remember! what is th emost important factor in making the ilusion of defined chizeled frame? what will giev a 160lb shrimp the ability to look beter in picture than 220lb beast that is very close in bodyfat?

what will do it is HARDNESS AND DRYNESS,,

for both bodybuild are about same level bodyfat...YET ONE OF THEM IS HARDER AND DRIER FOR HE IS NOT USING AS MUCH TESTOSTEORNA OR DOESNT USE TESTOSTERONA AT ALL....so he wont look as big in real lifem he wotn have the thickness to that level but! he sure will look much better to the none profesional eye in pictures especialy standing by himself,,

the name of the game is hardness and dryness,, this is the all thing behind superb condition compare to real good condition,, i can assure you you dont get it on mega dose testosterona,,

do experiment ....be on higher dose testosterona and se what happen to your midsection ...even though all abs there it become softer and a layer of water which most of you wil confuse with fat will come on it ....it is good positive thing but many here will see it and be like NOPE! THIS IS FATZO thats why half of you dont ever grow

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« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2012, 11:20:40 AM »

ofcourse,, for remember! what is th emost important factor in making the ilusion of defined chizeled frame? what will giev a 160lb shrimp the ability to look beter in picture than 220lb beast that is very close in bodyfat?

what will do it is HARDNESS AND DRYNESS,,

for both bodybuild are about same level bodyfat...YET ONE OF THEM IS HARDER AND DRIER FOR HE IS NOT USING AS MUCH TESTOSTEORNA OR DOESNT USE TESTOSTERONA AT ALL....so he wont look as big in real lifem he wotn have the thickness to that level but! he sure will look much better to the none profesional eye in pictures especialy standing by himself,,

the name of the game is hardness and dryness,, this is the all thing behind superb condition compare to real good condition,, i can assure you you dont get it on mega dose testosterona,,

do experiment ....be on higher dose testosterona and se what happen to your midsection ...even though all abs there it become softer and a layer of water which most of you wil confuse with fat will come on it ....it is good positive thing but many here will see it and be like NOPE! THIS IS FATZO thats why half of you dont ever grow

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I THINK THE ONLY SOLUTION TO HIGHER DOSE TESTOSTERONA IN TERMS OF UGLY BLOAT AND MANAGING IT TO SOME DEGREE IS THIS:

1.HGH- THIS IS NUMBER 1.
2. TREN- THIS IS NUMBER 2. TRANNNNNN!
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I THINK THESE 3 ARE THE ONLY DRUGS WHILE ON TESTOSTERONA CAN LIMIT SOME FORM OF UGLY BLOAT. ITS NOT MORE SO THE THE STOMACH, IT'S THE CHIN FAT AND THE BLOATING OF THE LOVE HANDLE.
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« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2012, 12:16:37 PM »



I THINK THE ONLY SOLUTION TO HIGHER DOSE TESTOSTERONA IN TERMS OF UGLY BLOAT AND MANAGING IT TO SOME DEGREE IS THIS:

1.HGH- THIS IS NUMBER 1.
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I THINK THESE 3 ARE THE ONLY DRUGS WHILE ON TESTOSTERONA CAN LIMIT SOME FORM OF UGLY BLOAT. ITS NOT MORE SO THE THE STOMACH, IT'S THE CHIN FAT AND THE BLOATING OF THE LOVE HANDLE.

no matter how many g's of test you're taking if you take letrozole you will have zero bloat and a lean face. you wont be as hard as if you add tren but it will remove water. even on 500mg test my face get bloated after 2-3 weeks, then add letro and 2 days later guys at the gym are like wth happened to your face bro its small lol.. nowadays i prefer having a little bloat tho, better pumps, stronger, higher libido and overall better feeling
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« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2012, 12:24:59 PM »

letrrozole is not the solution,, testosterona in high dose reaulted in modern bodybuild mess,, testosterona is horrible drug if not knowing how to take it ,, it is base! and it is thickness! bu you need to know how to take it ,, nothing will prevent the bloofiness testosterona gives you ,, letrozole and anti aromataze will only make you an impotent nede viarga and cialis ,, trust me on that dont listen to no balonie fellas tell you here or anyone else,, i make my living AND VERY VERY GOOD LIVING out of bodybuild,, im teling you here testosterona is a drug you HAVE TO KNOW HOW TO CYCLE

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« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2012, 12:39:16 PM »

letrrozole is not the solution,, testosterona in high dose reaulted in modern bodybuild mess,, testosterona is horrible drug if not knowing how to take it ,, it is base! and it is thickness! bu you need to know how to take it ,, nothing will prevent the bloofiness testosterona gives you ,, letrozole and anti aromataze will only make you an impotent nede viarga and cialis ,, trust me on that dont listen to no balonie fellas tell you here or anyone else,, i make my living AND VERY VERY GOOD LIVING out of bodybuild,, im teling you here testosterona is a drug you HAVE TO KNOW HOW TO CYCLE

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i agree that you should not use crazy dose of test and i never said to use high dose of testosterone.. yes letrozole will eliminate test bloat, and yes it can suppress your libido, but thats only if you use it alot, if you only do it one day at 2.5mg it will not suppress libido. i know how letro works probably because ive been using for more than a year now, and still destroy my gf pussy every night,btw..
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« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2012, 12:48:22 PM »

no,, letrozeol get you flat,, it get the pop out of muscle,, no one of us used it back in the day ,, it is why all of you youngesters are impotents and in need of cialis ,, there are much better ways ,, then again it is 2000s ther eis no more bodybuild there is DRUGBUILDING,, so yes letrozol can get in there too why not

i do not recomend personaly and i been on it and any other ai and ae for many years tried it from all best pharmas and ug ,, it just not the solution ,, the solution is to know how to work testosterona right

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« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2012, 03:17:17 PM »

I RATHER NOT USE ANY AI. AS I SAID IN MY OP, LESAUCER. I KNOW AN AI CAN HELP, BUT MY LIPIDS ARE RUINED ON THOSE AND IT PLAYS WITH SEX DRIVE. I WANNA THROW IN SUPERDROLA OR INJECTABLE ANADROLA SO I DO NOT WANT A DOUBLE KILLER ON MY LIPIDS.

MASTERON DOES NOT PLAY WITH MY LIPIDS, IT HELPS MY SEX DRIVE, AND THE ONLY PROBLEM IVE HAD WITH IT IS SOME HAIR. BUT IM RUNNING LIKE 1/3 THE DOSE.GOING TO SWITCH PHENYL PROP DOWN TO 250MG FROM 375MG AND ADD MASTERON 50MG M-W-F. AND PROGRESSIVELY MOVE TEST DOWN & MAST GOES UP.
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« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2012, 06:57:53 PM »

Test is most certainly going to bloat you, gh or no gh. Just look at my thread for results of 1+g of test. Bloat never really went away until test was almost completely out of the loop close to the contest. Remember the changes at 3 weeks out that had you boggled? All it was was taking out gh and test and replacing w more tren and masteron.

but if you want to grow BIG, you'll need to blast test at times in high doses and accept the bloat.

ONE MORE QUESTION.

THE GH, THOUGH ONLY 4IU OF NOVO, BLOATED ME IN A GREAT WAY.THE SUPERDROL BLOAT WHERE THE BLOAT IS FUCKING AWESOME AND YOU LOOK SUPER PUMPED. NOT THE TEST BLOAT WHERE YOU LOOK LIKE A BALLOON.NORMAL OR NOT?
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« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2012, 08:04:04 PM »

no,, letrozeol get you flat,, it get the pop out of muscle,, no one of us used it back in the day ,, it is why all of you youngesters are impotents and in need of cialis ,, there are much better ways ,, then again it is 2000s ther eis no more bodybuild there is DRUGBUILDING,, so yes letrozol can get in there too why not

i do not recomend personaly and i been on it and any other ai and ae for many years tried it from all best pharmas and ug ,, it just not the solution ,, the solution is to know how to work testosterona right

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bro can u elaborate more on how to use test,,,,im assuming run with high dose EQ,,,trenbolone in and out,,,same with anadrol,,,use masteron if estrogen is too bad,,,and of course high HGH in relation to test,,,similar to what happens in phase 3?
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« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2012, 08:50:31 PM »

bro can u elaborate more on how to use test,,,,im assuming run with high dose EQ,,,trenbolone in and out,,,same with anadrol,,,use masteron if estrogen is too bad,,,and of course high HGH in relation to test,,,similar to what happens in phase 3?

testosterona is a real bad drug foro having quality physiqe...thats just how it is friend,, yes it is important in today bodybuild for thickness...but in reality testosterona is just a drug that needd to have lots of gh in blood and for long time for it to be super effective in putting the water where you want it to be ...thats what most fellas dont get,,

the trick is to do what 70s fellas did ....to take anadrol and the superdrol like and load on them whiel reducing testosterona ...all that done when gh is in system consistanly and high enougu doses and GO BALISTIC ON TRENBOLONA ACE...THIS!! is how you build a bodybuild friends..
the fellas today on stage are serve abusers of gh in the 30 ius...and also severe abusers of diuretics,, half of them woudnt be a bodybuild back in the day and in reality dont have any muscle to write home about ,, thats the truth i dont care how much the steroid boarding pump testosterona in your head,, you need to learn a lot from fellas like disgusted that good ole fella is telling the truth

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« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2012, 11:22:57 PM »

testosterona is a real bad drug foro having quality physiqe...thats just how it is friend,, yes it is important in today bodybuild for thickness...but in reality testosterona is just a drug that needd to have lots of gh in blood and for long time for it to be super effective in putting the water where you want it to be ...thats what most fellas dont get,,

the trick is to do what 70s fellas did ....to take anadrol and the superdrol like and load on them whiel reducing testosterona ...all that done when gh is in system consistanly and high enougu doses and GO BALISTIC ON TRENBOLONA ACE...THIS!! is how you build a bodybuild friends..
the fellas today on stage are serve abusers of gh in the 30 ius...and also severe abusers of diuretics,, half of them woudnt be a bodybuild back in the day and in reality dont have any muscle to write home about ,, thats the truth i dont care how much the steroid boarding pump testosterona in your head,, you need to learn a lot from fellas like disgusted that good ole fella is telling the truth

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do the 202 class pros take that much too?  30 ius? or just the big boys
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« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2012, 01:53:49 AM »

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« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2012, 02:32:59 AM »

when I was younger I always thought testosterona was the key lol.... shows how times were back then

you guys have to keep it simple like gh15 always sais

the less GH you have (also age plays a factor in this aswell but generally speaking) the less testosterona you use

the higher the GH you use... the higher you can use testosterona because you are primed and it will go in the right places and not look like a bloofy retard


that's pretty much the basics

all about timing really..
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« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2012, 04:46:49 AM »


God,

do the 202 class pros take that much too?  30 ius? or just the big boys

some of them take more lol,,it realy not the weight you need look at ...it is the height!

5'5 fella 200lb on stage? lol think about it lol

a fella using hormones with great physiqe is usualy 5'10 200lb mid singles lol
5'5 200!! on stage! lol they are abusers to a level you woudnt dream of! their life is based solely on what they inject,, they absolitly have no other life they put everything they hav e into this EVERYTHING

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