You are wrong if you say protein powder is garbage.

[howardroark]

Research shows that strength athletes need 1.7g-1.8g per kg of bodyweight. Using this calculation, a 200lb bodybuilder would need 164g of protein per day. That's about 20% of their daily calories that would have to come from protein. That is extremely easy to attain, even when dieting.

[chess315]

Research shows that strength athletes need 1.7g-1.8g per kg of bodyweight. Using this calculation, a 200lb bodybuilder would need 164g of protein per day. That's about 20% of their daily calories that would have to come from protein. That is extremely easy to attain, even when dieting.

thats not a steroid using body builder a steroid using body builder prolly would do good on around 1.25 -1.5 grams a pound

[aesthetics]

100% correct too

there is nothing like a window to shuttle nutrients into muscle short after workout

of course there is, but the question is whether or not eating a large meal pre-workout will provide a sufficient amount of nutrients to accomplish this - the answer is yes.

[Moen]

yes .. but the problem is not the protein... its what they add with the product..
sweetners....and all of the additives...
and also most whey is cheap crap, impure like you said.
all of my bodybuilding friends, never ever use any shake 6 weeks out of competition... because you get less sharp... just a fact....
real food = best...
easy to get about 200 grams of protein from real food... and you do not need more then that....
unless you are megadosing hgh plus slin....

I agree entirely. But that doesn't change the facts. Your friends had bloating as well with whey isolate? If it's just isolated protein as it should be, I can't see a possible reason for that other than it does indeed not contain what it should.

[aesthetics]

unless you are using t3 you don't need that much daily protein if you are on steroids and most people will find they will still grow provided they aren't starving themselves

[OptimusPrime1980]

I agree entirely. But that doesn't change the facts. Your friends had bloating as well with whey isolate? If it's just isolated protein as it should be, I can't see a possible reason for that other than it does indeed not contain what it should.

yes indeed... agree with you bro...
like you say it's not the protein itself but the crap they add to the final products...
last 6 weeks always real food....

[OptimusPrime1980]

unless you are using t3 you don't need that much daily protein if you are on steroids and most people will find they will still grow provided they aren't starving themselves

amen!

[howardroark]

thats not a steroid using body builder a steroid using body builder prolly would do good on around 1.25 -1.5 grams a pound

Why?

1.25-1.5g per lb translates to 2.75-3.3g per kg in comparison. That is WAY overboard.

Only because steroids increase protein synthesis does not mean that you have to eat twice as much protein as the recommended amount for non-steroid users. Part of the increase in protein synthesis comes from a DECREASE in catabolism. That means less protein is being broken down, which means you don't have to eat that much more.

[Tito24]

terminator 3

[howardroark]

70% of it is water and in a healthy muscle roughly 20-22% of it is actual muscle protein which is made up of protein from amino acids.
So if all of the 480g of protein you consumed was fully digested and was soley used to build muscle in a day you would gain around 2.4kg (5.28lb) of muscle mass a day..we know this not to be the case, so you need to ask the question is all that protein being digested for a start and also how much is really needed to grow and maintain cells you already got..
Oh also look how much energy comes from 1g protein when it is used for energy (it is roughly the same as carbs - 4kcal)

^ one of the best posts here

[Moen]

That's the backwards calculation Mike Mentzer did in his nutrition booklet. Makes you ponder about your protein intake throughout the years. Everyone here should have been Mr O size already even if only a percentage of what we consumed would have been utilized 

[matrixgh]

does sodium also increase estrogen levels?  

other way, high estrogen will increase sodium, cause most protein powders contain soy

[Moen]

Soy Jesus!

Stop buying shit brands guys. I used a non-commercial whey isolate and never had any bloating. If it contains what it claims it contains, it can't cause more bloating than food protein. Of course with 'fitness' or bodybuilding brands you are probably getting ripped off.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Soy Jesus!

Stop buying shit brands guys. I used a non-commercial whey isolate and never had any bloating. If it contains what it claims it contains, it can't cause more bloating than food protein. Of course with 'fitness' or bodybuilding brands you are probably getting ripped off.

this. the protein brands I use dont make me bloat more than food. They make me bloat less actually

[matrixgh]

90% brand protein powders contains soy, even if it does not say on the label they lie to your face

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Lactose intolerance is not a myth. 60% of American's have it. And most don't even know it or just deal with having the shits/bloat etc. The supplement companies will tell you that Whey only makes up about 6-7% lactose and it won't effect most people. That's simply a lie. There's a reason most protein powders bloat you and/or go right through your system. When you eat or drink something and your body doesn't digest it after years of using a food/product, its your body saying "cut the fucking shit out". There's a reason that in the animal kingdom, no animals drink milk after a certain point.

[gh15]

WHY

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EGG WHITES IN WALMART?



drinkable wggwhites 3-4 dolaros for 32 oz,, thats all needd,, yes it cost but it is eggwhites ,, pasturized ,, this go straight to good use ,, it is absorbed almost fuly 80% is absored ,, it is best of the best builder of champions and builder of muscle,,

what is this balonie with all of this garbage powder made in beverly for all the other scam companys lol its all poweder with bunch of preservative chemicals ,, take hormones take eggwhites ,,,this is ALL you need

gh15 approved

[AlphaMaleDawg]

WHY

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ANY

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PROTIEN

ASIDE

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EGG WHITES IN WALMART?



drinkable wggwhites 3-4 dolaros for 32 oz,, thats all needd,, yes it cost but it is eggwhites ,, pasturized ,, this go straight to good use ,, it is absorbed almost fuly 80% is absored ,, it is best of the best builder of champions and builder of muscle,,

what is this balonie with all of this garbage powder made in beverly for all the other scam companys lol its all poweder with bunch of preservative chemicals ,, take hormones take eggwhites ,,,this is ALL you need

gh15 approved

There are no wallmarts in new york and liquid egg whites are expensive as shit in the grocery stores

[gh15]

you use all your money on garbage!,, insted of using it to buy few kit hgh that wil truly get you lean growth ,, insted of buying good anadrol to put in your body when gh get you very lean and 3 dimetnional so it all can thicken up ...you buy stupid garbage scam who knows what inside down grade powders of protiens? what did you lose your fuckin mind? your parents has tree of money in back yard? i dont get it ,, are you that dumb?

gh15 approved

[Borracho]

I don't drink protein powder but they're cheap and some taste good. Why not use them?

[Jovo]

The thing is dont trust with PP is what they put in it... how can i know they are telling the truth ? im better of just eating some chiken or tuna

[gh15]

There are no wallmarts in new york and liquid egg whites are expensive as shit in the grocery stores

atleast it wil be used by body and you wotn shit it out or get the disgusting film of water protien powder are HIGHLY KNOWN FOR ,, we dont use them for reason ,, maybe once in blue moon if we dont have any protien but who in ther right mind use this garbage? lol arnold tok eggwhites put with icecream and he had all he need,,

icecream and eggwhites thee is NOTHING better than that

gh15 approved

[Borracho]

The thing is dont trust with PP is what they put in it... how can i know they are telling the truth ? im better of just eating some chiken or tuna

Yeah I can understand that. They should enforce stricter regulations with this stuff.

[wes]

Protein powder is a suplement,supplements are mean`t to supplement a whole food diet,not the other way around so do not take in 5 shakes with two meals,take in 5 meals with two shakes if you must use powder for any reason.

I used to have a shake with dextrose right after training for many years,changed it to chicken and rice......no fucking difference whatsover in mass,strength,or size.

A lot of companies buy their protein from the same one big manufacturer and simply put on their own labels so most of the shit is the same stuff even though you pay a shitload more for some brands as opposed to others,still the exact same protein powder.....notice I said most of the brands not all of them.

Always mix powder with water,nothing else.....this is what sometimes causes digestive issues.

Personaly,I know for a fact that eating whole food has more benefits than powder but I still use it twice a day........I train early so my appetite sucks at 6-7 AM so I use a shake,same thing post-workout,but they are not necessary at all.

Protein is not all the same............lots of factors, such as protein efficiency ratio,bioavailability,amino acid content,complete or incomplete,length of digestion time,etc. etc.

As far as bloating and/or holding water goes,who gives a fuck unless you are training for a contest.

Bottome line,powders are great for convienience,but whole food is far far better.

Regarding the so called "30 minute window of opportunity"...........Arnold and those guys just ate whenever they were hungry,making sure to get in 5-6 meals per day, but they were not immediately following a workout or spaced out at 3 hour intervals.

After they trained,they`d eat solid food......steak,eggs,cottage cheese,etc.,but if more than 30 minutes passed they didn`t turn into a fucking pumpkin!!  

[aesthetics]

WHY

WOULD

ANY

ONE

OF

YOU

BUY

ANY

KIND

OF

PROTIEN

ASIDE

FROM

EGG WHITES IN WALMART?



drinkable wggwhites 3-4 dolaros for 32 oz,, thats all needd,, yes it cost but it is eggwhites ,, pasturized ,, this go straight to good use ,, it is absorbed almost fuly 80% is absored ,, it is best of the best builder of champions and builder of muscle,,

what is this balonie with all of this garbage powder made in beverly for all the other scam companys lol its all poweder with bunch of preservative chemicals ,, take hormones take eggwhites ,,,this is ALL you need

gh15 approved

because it's drastically cheaper than egg whites


well, i don't know about wallmart prices but i will second the thoughts of AMD when he says it's expensive as hell from a grocery store. whey is 1/3 the cost.