Obama proposes pay increase for Federal Workers as he cuts the military.

[Shockwave]

That is why every worker in the USA needs to be mandated to be unionized, so companies cannot go anywhere else and get other labor, also make it so if they choose to move outside USA, put a tarriff on any goods coming in equal to what they would have paid the union workers and the US corporate tax rate, so there would be no point to moving outside the USA to do business.  Unions for life.  Your friend is lucky his pay is so good, he can thank the union, he doesn't know how bad it would be without the union he is spoiled rotten he doesn't even know it.

The company went out of state because of rediculous Union demands, and because the employees in South Carolina wanted to work, same as the ones in Washington, except the Union fucked it up for the washington workers.

Your whole premise is flawed. Unions are supposed to protect the workers, not to strike to line their own pockets (which is what they did, and they said theyd do again).

Your hard line ideology without the ability to compromise is what is causing the countries problems now, All you have to do is take a look at Obama, he has the same hard line ideological standpoints you do and since he's not willing to compromise them, he's turning himself into a dictator that is tearing the country apart, all because he cant admit he is wrong and that his ideas wont work.

Him, like you, simply cannot accept that his ideology, while good in principle, just does not work in the real world... But he seems to be willing to destroy his whole country to discover that for himself.
The fact is, not everyone deserves to have an equal cut, or an equal life... because people are not equal. Some work harder, some work less hard, some are smarter, some arent.

The only "fair share" I believe the government should try to enfoce, is equal opportunity, everyone should have the opportunity to excel if they are willing/able. If they cant, wont, or dont want to, sorry, they dont deserve the same wages/llives as someone who works his ass off or is gifted. Thats just life.

[reppingfor20]

The company went out of state because of rediculous Union demands, and because the employees in South Carolina wanted to work, same as the ones in Washington, except the Union fucked it up for the washington workers.

Your whole premise is flawed. Unions are supposed to protect the workers, not to strike to line their own pockets (which is what they did, and they said theyd do again).

Your hard line ideology without the ability to compromise is what is causing the countries problems now, All you have to do is take a look at Obama, he has the same hard line ideological standpoints you do and since he's not willing to compromise them, he's turning himself into a dictator that is tearing the country apart, all because he cant admit he is wrong and that his ideas wont work.

Him, like you, simply cannot accept that his ideology, while good in principle, just does not work in the real world... But he seems to be willing to destroy his whole country to discover that for himself.
The fact is, not everyone deserves to have an equal cut, or an equal life... because people are not equal. Some work harder, some work less hard, some are smarter, some arent.

The only "fair share" I believe the government should try to enfoce, is equal opportunity, everyone should have the opportunity to excel if they are willing/able. If they cant, wont, or dont want to, sorry, they dont deserve the same wages/llives as someone who works his ass off or is gifted. Thats just life.

The union demands where looking out for the worker.  That is why unions exist to protect the average joe from evil, greedy corporations. 

They strike as a way to force the company to realize they have fucked up and make right with the workers, so the workers benefits go up and pay as well.  There are some corrupt unions, but conservatives blow that up for their own personal agenda, just like their is always a trouble maker in a crowd.

You cannot deny Obama's policies have turned this country around and you are just starting to see it, newest numbers out yesterday or the day beforehand, just go to show his hard line policies against the ignorant tea party are working out.  You will hate to admit it, but in 3 months it will keep getting better, more regulations, higher taxes, better for average worker.

[Tre]

No...the private sectors always pay more than public jobs, dipshit. 

 

[Shockwave]

The union demands where looking out for the worker.  That is why unions exist to protect the average joe from evil, greedy corporations.  

They strike as a way to force the company to realize they have fucked up and make right with the workers, so the workers benefits go up and pay as well.  There are some corrupt unions, but conservatives blow that up for their own personal agenda, just like their is always a trouble maker in a crowd.

You cannot deny Obama's policies have turned this country around and you are just starting to see it, newest numbers out yesterday or the day beforehand, just go to show his hard line policies against the ignorant tea party are working out.  You will hate to admit it, but in 3 months it will keep getting better, more regulations, higher taxes, better for average worker.

The unions were not looking out for the employees. They make money every time they go on strike. The employees overwhelmingly were happy with the compromise Boeing offered. The Union refused even thought the employees (who didnt want to strike in the 1st place) were extremely pleased with what Boeing offered.. Sorry, but you are wrong.

BTW, the numbers youre talking about are cooked numbers Obama is trying to use on his reelection campaign - UE is not down, the numbers went down due to people leaving the workforce which the people who calculate UE dont take into effect, we actually have less people employed than 2008. Calculate how many more people live in the US now than did, and you have a real UE of over 12-15%. Couple that with seasonal jobs, and you have a bunch of fake numbers.

But whatever, I know youre just trolling, and that it doesnt matter if theyre fake or not, all you care about is the numbers that look good.

The people walking the streets know the truth, that Obama's idiocy is destroying everything so many people have worked so hard for. Howards graphs dont lie - the rediculous overregulation in this country is destroying the small buisiness, only people that can afford that is the big rich Corps you seem to rail against. So go ahead, keep claiming Obama is working for the common man, when the truth is, he's actually putting more money in the hands of the top 1% than most presidents in history.

Obamacare, BTW, also winds up costing the average person MORE for healthcare, increase costs on healthcare, and saves big corp's money. Not to mention Obama signed a deal with Big Pharma that gave them even more of a stranglehold on the market, lolololol. Its amazing to me people can actually think he gives a damn about them when they read about the shit he's done that robs them of their money, is blatantly in violation of the constitution, and when he outright says hes not going to follow the rules set in place by the founding fathers to protect the people from overbearing government.

Epic lulz.

[thelamefalsehood]

You guys are arguing with this homo. Seriously, why even bother

[Shockwave]

You guys are arguing with this homo. Seriously, why even bother

I know. after the last post, I realized, wow Im the only one stupid enough to bother typing to him. Epic fail.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

The average pay for public sector jobs is higher than the average pay for private sector jobs. We are the servants and they are the masters.

That graph is ka crock of shit.  The highest paid federal worker gets 400k a year which is the president and lots of peoplemake more than he does.

[reppingfor20]

The unions were not looking out for the employees. They make money every time they go on strike. The employees overwhelmingly were happy with the compromise Boeing offered. The Union refused even thought the employees (who didnt want to strike in the 1st place) were extremely pleased with what Boeing offered.. Sorry, but you are wrong.

BTW, the numbers youre talking about are cooked numbers Obama is trying to use on his reelection campaign - UE is not down, the numbers went down due to people leaving the workforce which the people who calculate UE dont take into effect, we actually have less people employed than 2008. Calculate how many more people live in the US now than did, and you have a real UE of over 12-15%. Couple that with seasonal jobs, and you have a bunch of fake numbers.

But whatever, I know youre just trolling, and that it doesnt matter if theyre fake or not, all you care about is the numbers that look good.

The people walking the streets know the truth, that Obama's idiocy is destroying everything so many people have worked so hard for. Howards graphs dont lie - the rediculous overregulation in this country is destroying the small buisiness, only people that can afford that is the big rich Corps you seem to rail against. So go ahead, keep claiming Obama is working for the common man, when the truth is, he's actually putting more money in the hands of the top 1% than most presidents in history.

Obamacare, BTW, also winds up costing the average person MORE for healthcare, increase costs on healthcare, and saves big corp's money. Not to mention Obama signed a deal with Big Pharma that gave them even more of a stranglehold on the market, lolololol. Its amazing to me people can actually think he gives a damn about them when they read about the shit he's done that robs them of their money, is blatantly in violation of the constitution, and when he outright says hes not going to follow the rules set in place by the founding fathers to protect the people from overbearing government.

Epic lulz.

If you look at what the average union employee makes vs what the average non union employee makes you will find your answer there.  Unions help pay and benefits and time off, bottom line.  Going on strike is good, corporations need to know they are not the ones running the show.

The numbers are not cooked as they have come out 2 months in a row.  UE initial claims are down as well.  Private sector jobs are growing, although I would like to see expanded public sector jobs and more agencies instead. 

We don't have enough regulation.  We need more, see wallstreet, the oil disaster, etc etc.

Obama's health care program will not end up costing people more unless then don't have any coverage now they would be mandated to buy it or face a fine and the fine is rather low.  People who already have insurance will have better choices and be able to get a better deal because the insurance companies will have to compete for peoples money.

Either way Obama is going to win in 2012, the house will go Democrat and we will raise taxes on the rich and the country will start to rise again.  Nothing GOP can do about it, they already showed their hand and their candidates are a joke, election is over already, Romney vs Obama LOL. 

[Shockwave]

If you look at what the average union employee makes vs what the average non union employee makes you will find your answer there.  Unions help pay and benefits and time off, bottom line.  Going on strike is good, corporations need to know they are not the ones running the show.

The numbers are not cooked as they have come out 2 months in a row.  UE initial claims are down as well.  Private sector jobs are growing, although I would like to see expanded public sector jobs and more agencies instead. 

We don't have enough regulation.  We need more, see wallstreet, the oil disaster, etc etc.

Obama's health care program will not end up costing people more unless then don't have any coverage now they would be mandated to buy it or face a fine and the fine is rather low.  People who already have insurance will have better choices and be able to get a better deal because the insurance companies will have to compete for peoples money.

Either way Obama is going to win in 2012, the house will go Democrat and we will raise taxes on the rich and the country will start to rise again.  Nothing GOP can do about it, they already showed their hand and their candidates are a joke, election is over already, Romney vs Obama LOL. 

Jesus Christ, I hope you dont actually believe this horseshit, lol.
Obama sure saw you coming.

[headhuntersix]

Dude....the Dems are going to loose the Senate as well....this idiot has zero clue whats going on.

[Shockwave]

The funniest part is the things hes going to say when the country implodes, Ive never seen anyone so capable of explaining why Obamas utter failures is actually good, because he says so. haha.

[Soul Crusher]

The funniest part is the things hes going to say when the country implodes, Ive never seen anyone so capable of explaining why Obamas utter failures is actually good, because he says so. haha.

If your goal is to collapse America, like jtsumani and Obama has, it all makes sense.

[Primemuscle]

Posted at 11:17 AM ET, 01/06/2012
White House proposes 0.5 percent pay increase for federal workers

My son will be pleased that he's getting a raise, albeit a tiny one.

[Soul Crusher]

My son will be pleased that he's getting a raise.

nd the taxpayer will get fucked to fund that! 

[Primemuscle]

nd the taxpayer will get fucked to fund that!  

That's a bit of an overstatement in reference to my son. He's just one employee. I don't think his raise would have much affect on any one taxpayer. What did you say the raise was...0.5% ? That would amount to about $500 a year for him (corrected for accuracy).

Of course, you have no idea what his job is. So, I cannot completely fault you for thinking the way you do.

[Soul Crusher]

That's a bit of an overstatement in reference to my son. He's just one employee. I don't think his raise would have much affect on any one taxpayer. What did you say the raise way....5%? That would amount to about $5,000 a year for him.

Of course, you have no idea what his job is. So, I cannot completely fault you for thinking the way you do.

doesn't matter!    The deficit is over a trillion dollars! 

[Shockwave]

nd the taxpayer will get fucked to fund that! 

The government needs to bring its wages in line, so many gov employees have rediculous paying jobs to stand there and stare at a wall, there is no competition and they know it.
Go to your local post office, Ive never been treated as shitty anywhere as I was recently trying to pick a package up, I walked up to the pickup door as someone else was giving the woman her pickup card, she took the card, and as I stepped up to hand her mine, she looked and me and made a big show of slamming the door in my face. So much so that the other customers said "Wow... that was rude"
No "Hold on a min"
No "ill be right back"
Then she came back, handed the woman her package. I asked her if I could give her my card, she said no and shut the door in my face again.
15 minutes later she came back, opened the door, and said "Next"

If I ever treated ANYONE like that at ANY job I worked at, I would have been fucking fired on the spot. But every employee there was acting like that, you could look around and just see the disgust on their faces dealing with people.
And they get paid out of the ass to treat people like that. Same thing at the DMV. The gov needs to start holding these people accountable, either pay them less or create some competition, right now its just bullshit.

Its especially infuriating when you think that YOURE paying their exorbitate salary to treat you like shit.
I was paying that woman to slam the door in my face.

Grrrrr

[Primemuscle]

The government needs to bring its wages in line, so many gov employees have rediculous paying jobs to stand there and stare at a wall, there is no competition and they know it.
Go to your local post office, Ive never been treated as shitty anywhere as I was recently trying to pick a package up, I walked up to the pickup door as someone else was giving the woman her pickup card, she took the card, and as I stepped up to hand her mine, she looked and me and made a big show of slamming the door in my face. So much so that the other customers said "Wow... that was rude"
No "Hold on a min"
No "ill be right back"
Then she came back, handed the woman her package. I asked her if I could give her my card, she said no and shut the door in my face again.
15 minutes later she came back, opened the door, and said "Next"

If I ever treated ANYONE like that at ANY job I worked at, I would have been fucking fired on the spot. But every employee there was acting like that, you could look around and just see the disgust on their faces dealing with people.
And they get paid out of the ass to treat people like that. Same thing at the DMV. The gov needs to start holding these people accountable, either pay them less or create some competition, right now its just bullshit.

Its especially infuriating when you think that YOURE paying their exorbitate salary to treat you like shit.
I was paying that woman to slam the door in my face.

Grrrrr

Today the USPS is funded entirely by revenues from postage and not with taxpayer dollars. If you don't like the service at USPS, I recommend you use UPS or FEDX.

http://www.nalc.org/postal/perform/selfsufficient.html#subsidize

My sister worked for ODMV. Her job was to provide help via the phone. She was paid about the same wage as a barista at Starbucks makes. Before you assume that all public employees are overpaid, do some homework.

[Soul Crusher]

USPS is about to be defunct. 

[Shockwave]

Today the USPS is funded entirely by revenues from postage and not with taxpayer dollars. If you don't like the service at USPS, I recommend you use UPS or FEDX.

http://www.nalc.org/postal/perform/selfsufficient.html#subsidize

My sister worked for ODMV. Her job was to provide help via the phone. She was paid about the same wage as a barista at Starbucks makes. Before you assume that all public employees are overpaid, do some homework.

My bad on USPS.
Nowhere did I say ALL gov employees are overpaid, but more often than not, they are. And there is next to no competition.

[reppingfor20]

LOL at the conservative delusion men on here.  They cannot comprehend how the GOP just screwed themselves with the payroll tax cut extension, waiting out till the last minute and holding the country hostage so they could earmark some things in the bill for their rich buddies, you must be really proud of them.

They will show more of their true colors come 2 months from now, they will have new ideas on how to help out their billionaire friends and screw the middle class, holding out till the last minute to get all they can for the richest people in the country all the while shitting on the average worker.  People see thru their games and they do not like it, GOP out Democrats in House and Senate of course.  President of course stays in no competition.

[reppingfor20]

nd the taxpayer will get fucked to fund that!  

you are so anti government I would question if you would want any government at all, it is good though we have Obama watching over you and your antics.

Somalia would be a better place for you to live I think, not much structure, just free for all, just like you like, keep your guns and ammo ready and open up a shop selling snake oil and no gov't agency will investigate you.

 

[Soul Crusher]

you are so anti government I would question if you would want any government at all, it is good though we have Obama watching over you and your antics.

LOL.   If Obama came to my house, I would verbally make him cry w his economic incompetence snd ignorance. 

[reppingfor20]

LOL.   If Obama came to my house, I would verbally make him cry w his economic incompetence snd ignorance. 

First you would be in shock, then you would probably see all the security around him and understand it is best to have a civil conversation with him, Obama is very smart, he could out debate you very fast.

[Soul Crusher]

First you would be in shock, then you would probably see all the security around him and understand it is best to have a civil conversation with him, Obama is very smart, he could out debate you very fast.

LOL.   I would point him to the nearest pop eyes chicken and welfare office and mock the SS protecting hom for having a joke of a job protecting Ghettobama.