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First you would be in shock, then you would probably see all the security around him and understand it is best to have a civil conversation with him, Obama is very smart, he could out debate you very fast.




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My bad on USPS.
Nowhere did I say ALL gov employees are overpaid, but more often than not, they are. And there is next to no competition.

Likewise, I am not implying that all government employees are underpaid. Some do seem to be overpaid for the work they do.

Just to be clear, I am a retired public employee. Of course I don't believe I was overpaid, but I was paid decently. Comparisons indicate that in Oregon, public employees working for the state make less in salary then their counterparts in the private sector. However they often have better benefits, so it kind of evens things out. When I took the job as a public employee, I did take a pretty big hit in wages. But, as I said the benefits were better, particularly for those of us who devoted thirty years of our working years to public employment. My retirement is very good. So I am not complaining at all.

I mentioned my son working for the Federal government. He is retired from the military. Essentially, he does a very similar job to the one he had before he retired. He travels for work considerably more now though. On the upside, he cannot be deployed to a war zone. If he were asked to do something he didn't want to do, he now has the same option the rest of us have; he can quit his job.

I am not sure what you mean by no competition. Many public positions are more difficult to land than those in the private sector. For example, I worked for a school district. In order to work there on has to pass an extensive criminal background check. If one has ever had a felony, they will not be hired. If one commits a felony while employed or conducts themself in anyway unbecoming to the District, they are usually dismissed. My experience with private sector employment was that it is a lot more lenient and forgiving of people's mistakes.

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USPS is about to be defunct. 

And should this happen, expect to forget about mail delivery altogether.

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Public workers are paid a fair wage, and private workers are paid peanuts, that is why you think public workers are paid too much, because private sector workers for the most part are paid shitty money except for CEO's and such.  The real truth is public workers get compensated for what they do and are paid fairly compared to exploitation of greedy, evil corporations in the private sector many are used to.

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Public workers are paid a fair wage, and private workers are paid peanuts, that is why you think public workers are paid too much, because private sector workers for the most part are paid shitty money except for CEO's and such.  The real truth is public workers get compensated for what they do and are paid fairly compared to exploitation of greedy, evil corporations in the private sector many are used to.



LOL.  !!!!    You have to be the most ignorant moron and sand rat on this site.

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LOL.  !!!!    You have to be the most ignorant moron and sand rat on this site.

common sense is your enemy :)

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common sense is your enemy :)



And civilization is yours.   Go back to screwing camels. 

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And civilization is yours.   Go back to screwing camels. 

so you admit you have no common sense?  I take being called civilized as a compliment.

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LOL.   I would point him to the nearest pop eyes chicken and welfare office and mock the SS protecting hom for having a joke of a job protecting Ghettobama.

you are such a fucking racist moron lmao.....

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you are such a fucking racist moron lmao.....

did you just notice this?  The guy is like the supreme leader of the kkk and that is an insult, most blindly racist people are not that intelligent.



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did you just notice this?  The guy is like the supreme leader of the kkk and that is an insult, most blindly racist people are not that intelligent.






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Obama guts military but gives raises to bureaucrats
By: Examiner Editorial | 01/08/12 8:05 PM
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President Barack Obama has a quiet lunch with a small group of supporters at a restaurant in Washington on Friday.Hard facts ought to prevail where American security is concerned. This applies equally whether the issue at hand is the geopolitical consequences of ill-advised defense cuts or the possibility that waste and fraud in military procurement might result in the deaths of American soldiers. It is in that spirit that we view President Obama's announcement last week at the Pentagon of his new national defense doctrine. While there will be much more to say here in the future, two points stand out for now.
First, Obama claimed that "even as our troops continue to fight in Afghanistan, the tide of war is receding." What logically should have followed such an assertion was something about the surrender of an enemy and assurance that his defeat was so total and comprehensive that decades, if not centuries, will pass before he might again threaten the safety and security of the American people.

Obama could say nothing like that because no such surrender has been tendered, and it is clear to anybody with open eyes that the aggressors in the War on Terror are -- Osama bin Laden's death notwithstanding -- planning lethal new attacks on Americans here at home and American interests around the world. It is as though FDR had said in April 1943 that the tide of World War II was receding and therefore it was time to slash American defense spending because American pilots had shot down a plane carrying Japanese Adm. Isoroku Yamamoto, chief planner behind the attack on Pearl Harbor. No matter that Japanese troops still occupied half of the Pacific and would continue to wage war against the U.S.

Second, another Obama decision became public last week: The chief executive wants to give federal civil servants a half-percent pay raise. The absurdity of this proposal is clear in light of the excellent reporting of USA Today's Dennis Cauchon. In a series of stories in 2010 that drew emotional criticism from federal employee union leaders but no factual refutations, Cauchon used the government's own data to show that civil servants' compensation has far outstripped that of private-sector workers. "The compensation gap between federal and private workers has doubled in the past decade," Cauchon found. "Federal civil servants earned average pay and benefits of $123,049 in 2009, while private workers made $61,051 in total compensation, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis. The data are the latest available." If anything, Obama should freeze federal pay indefinitely so private-sector employees can catch up with the bureaucrats.

To be sure, the proposed raise is so small as to be largely symbolic, but that's precisely the point: It carries a vital re-election year message from Obama to a key sector of his base constituency -- unionized public employees. It tells them Obama will take care of them, even as he paves the way for firing half a million men and women in uniform who likely are not among his re-election supporters. The hard-eyed conclusion here must be that winning re-election is more important to Obama than assuring American security at home and abroad.



Read more at the Washington Examiner:
http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/editorials/2012/01/obama-guts-military-gives-raises-bureaucrats/2074876#ixzz1iy1BHO8h



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Obama’s War on the American Military
FrontPage Magazine ^ | January 9, 2012 | Alan W. Dowd




Declaring that the U.S. military and the nation it defends are at a “moment of transition,” President Barack Obama has unveiled a dramatic scaling-back of the military’s role, reach and resources—complete with troop reductions, force redeployments and a promise to refocus on economic challenges. Or as he indelicately put it last year, “time to focus on nation-building at home.” Defense Secretary Leon Panetta calls it a “strategic turning point.” Indeed it is. We are left to wonder just what the United States is turning toward—or into.

In his remarks at the Pentagon last week, Obama called America “the greatest force for freedom and security that the world has ever known.” He’s right about that, but what he doesn’t seem to understand—as evidenced by his sweeping strategic review and retrenchment—is that being a global force for freedom and security is not preordained or written in the stars. Rather, it is a role that requires treasure and effort and sacrifice.

The American people may be ready to give up this thankless job, but that seems doubtful. At the very least, the president needs to make sure they understand what these changes will mean. As Robert Gates warned before he left the Pentagon, perhaps aware of what Obama was planning:

If we are going to reduce the resources and the size of the U.S. military…people need to make conscious choices about what the implications are for the security of the country, as well as for the variety of military operations we have around the world, if lower priority missions are scaled back or eliminated…The tough choices ahead are really about the kind of role the American people—accustomed to unquestioned military dominance for the past two decades—want their country to play in the world.

In other words, there’s a price to maintaining a peerless power-projecting military, but there’s also a price to not doing so.

Speaking of price tags, the reason the president unveiled his plan for a “leaner” military, at least ostensibly, is that Congress, concerned about unprecedented debt and deficits, mandated massive reductions in defense spending—some $500 billion in reductions as compared with what had been projected.

“Over the next 10 years, the growth in the defense budget will slow,” Obama explained, “but the fact of the matter is this: It will still grow.” In other words, the president is saying defense spending will grow at a slower rate. That’s a fair point: Slower growth should not be considered a cut. But why don’t the president and his political brethren apply the same logic to social programs? If these aren’t really cuts the president is proposing for the Pentagon, then it’s not really a cut when a reform-minded congressman proposes to slow the rate of growth in, say, Medicare or Social Security or the EPA.

Of course, the reality is that the Armed Forces are not to blame for this budget-deficit mess. We could eliminate the entire defense budget—$662 billion this year—and turn the Pentagon into a mega-mall, and we would still face a budget deficit of $700 billion. (The current deficit is in the $1.3-trillion range.)

The heart of the problem is runaway spending on Social Security, Medicare, stimulus boondoggles and the like. Yet Social Security and other entitlements are simply not as important as national security. After all, our founding document calls on the government to “provide for the common defense” in the very first sentence; then grants Congress the power to declare war, “raise and support armies…provide and maintain a navy…make rules for calling forth the militia…provide for organizing, arming and disciplining the militia”; authorizes the president to serve as “commander-in-chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states”; discusses war, treason and America’s enemies in Article III; and emphasizes the importance of a “well-regulated militia” to the “security of a free state” in the Bill of Rights. On the other hand, the Constitution says nothing about retirement pensions, stimulus programs or health care. The Founders understood that if their new government didn’t provide for the common defense, it wouldn’t be able to provide anything else—and the American people wouldn’t be able to live free, let alone pursue happiness.

But back to the president’s plan for a smaller military. Today’s U.S. military, as the president explained, has “decimated al Qaeda’s leadership…delivered justice to Osama bin Laden…put that terrorist network on the path to defeat…made important progress in Afghanistan…joined allies and partners to protect the Libyan people as they ended the regime of Muammar Qaddafi”—all while defending Europe and the Pacific and the homeland.

If the president’s plans go forward, tomorrow’s U.S. military won’t be nearly as ambidextrous. In 2010, Obama directed the military to be capable of “maintaining the ability to prevail against two capable nation-state aggressors.” That was Obama’s way of restating the so-called two-war strategy that helped shape the post-Cold War force. In contrast, as The New York Times reports, the president’s new strategy calls on the Pentagon only to be capable of “denying the objectives of—or imposing unacceptable costs on—an opportunistic aggressor in a second region.”

That’s not an insignificant difference. What Obama fails to understand is that the two-war strategy gave the military resources to carry out other important missions—missions that are less intensive than full-blown conflicts against nation-state rivals: counterterrorism ops in the Philippines and Abbottabad and Somalia, air wars in Libya and Kosovo, counter-piracy off the Horn of Africa, freedom-of-navigation maneuvers in the Strait of Hormuz and South China Sea, humanitarian rescues in Japan and Haiti.

In other words, the two-war strategy gave the Pentagon and the commander-in-chief a tool box full of resources that could be used in several ways. As the number of tools in the toolbox diminishes, it stands to reason that the number of missions the Pentagon can perform will as well.

While the president is understandably proud of recent successes against al Qaeda and bin Laden and Qaddafi—all of them occurring on his watch—we cannot overlook how much this president has constrained the Pentagon’s strategic reach:

•The president cut the nation’s strategic nuclear forces by 30 percent. •The president carried out a Nuclear Posture Review (NPR) pledging that the United States “will not conduct nuclear testing…will not develop new nuclear warheads…[and] will not use or threaten to use nuclear weapons against non-nuclear weapons states that are party to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and in compliance with their nuclear nonproliferation obligations.” As Gates explained, the president’s changes ended what was known as “calculated ambiguity,” a posture that kept America’s enemies on notice and off balance for decades—and, not coincidentally, kept America and American forces safe from nuclear, biological and chemical attack. •And now, the president has dramatically shrunk the global footprint and reach of the U.S. military. One wonders if this is the sort of change all of those independents and erstwhile conservatives who supported Obama in 2008 hand in mind.

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