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Re: I've benzo clean for 4 days.
« Reply #100 on: January 11, 2012, 12:31:24 PM »
anxiety can run in your family like it does mine. alot of people on my moms side have anxiety issues. I get to hyped up and need something to calm me down. I get overwhelmed real easy and their is nothing better for anxiety and anxiety attacks than xanax. If you dont ned xanax it will just make you tired and pass out. if you have real anxiety you usually are a real aggressive hyped up person and just a few xanax pills will get you down to a normal level to where you can funtion and without having other things running through your mind. also when someone with anxiety tries to sleep their brain keeps running . they keep on thinking about something. usually if you have alot of problems you will think about them when you are trying to sleep. and if you take a few xanax you can sleep without thinking of these distractions. I had to worry about things alot when I was younger i wasn't born with a silv er spoon in my mouth and my mom had troiuble feeding us kids and paying rent its stressful when you dont know if your going to have a place to live next month and your 10 years old and can't do shit about it. usually kids like this gte ahead in life early working early , selling dope whatever they can do to make money to help their family.  I make it so my mom dosn't have to worry I kick down 5k stacksof cash every few months. make sure she dosn't have to worry. when your already born with anxiety tendancys and problems like paying bills and rent come up and your to young to help out it makes your anxiety worse when you get older.thats why people in those positions usually get into working hard and hustling drugs for money orhustling howvere they can to mke alot of money to ease the worries and stress in their lifes alot of stress comes from money issues. even if you get older and have alot of money you always want more. and you tend to have a mind that constantly worries so in this siuation xanax is a great choice.

It is true that meds have been a godsend for many people, keeping them from being institutionalized as they might have been in times past. However, for loads of people these same drugs are merely a crutch they use instead of learning to cope with life. Almost everyone experiences anxiety at some point in their lives. Some people just deal with it. There probably isn't a person on this earth who hasn't been depressed at some point in time. Occasional depression is normal, especially when there is reason for it. Not everyone who is depressed needs meds to counter these feelings.

It seems more common today for folks to look for quick fixes by using drugs....legal or otherwise. When one is ill, it takes time to heal. Not everyone needs these drugs to get better. 

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Re: I've benzo clean for 4 days.
« Reply #101 on: January 11, 2012, 12:34:13 PM »
It is true that meds have been a godsend for many people, keeping them from being institutionalized as they might have been in times past. However, for loads of people these same drugs are merely a crutch they use instead of learning to cope with life. Almost everyone experiences anxiety at some point in their lives. Some people just deal with it. There probably isn't a person on this earth who hasn't been depressed at some point in time. Occasional depression is normal, especially when there is reason for it. Not everyone who is depressed needs meds to counter these feelings.

It seems more common today for folks to look for quick fixes by using drugs....legal or otherwise. When one is ill, it takes time to heal. Not everyone needs these drugs to get better. 
Very true sir. Anxiety is not the same as an Anxiety Disorder. And sorrow/sadness isn't the same as a depression...

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« Reply #102 on: January 11, 2012, 12:40:10 PM »
True. I myself take an SSRI AND a TCA/SARI (TRAZODONE)- WORKS EXTREMELY WELL FOR ME. In a nutshell, the combinaton of MEDICATION AND EXPOSURE THERAPY (IF NEEDED) with the use of COGNITIVE BEHAVORIAL THERAPY. And yes, i read about DEEP BRAIN STIMULATION, then theres also ECT, light therapy for Seasonal affective disorder, and my opinion it should be used for EXTREME DEPRESSION (major depression) as well, which it might be already used for......Ill be starting light therapy sometime soon.

I take a low dose (75 mg) of Trazodone for sleep each night. I've tried a couple of times to wean myself off this because, well, I don't like being dependant on drugs. However, after weeks of interrupted sleep, I give up and go back to taking the Trazodone.

One time I simply ran out of Trazodone and so I stopped taking it cold turkey. I don't reccommend doing this. I was sick as a dog with flu like symptoms for several days. Apparently, this is a common side effect from quitting Trazodone rather than weaning oneself off it slowly.

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« Reply #103 on: January 11, 2012, 12:44:14 PM »
Yeah, but that's not withdrawal like addictive drugs. It's just your bod gaining equilibrium again. Trazolan is not addictive like benzo's..

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« Reply #104 on: January 11, 2012, 12:50:48 PM »
Very true sir. Anxiety is not the same as an Anxiety Disorder. And sorrow/sadness isn't the same as a depression...

As I see it, the problem is that when some folks are depressed, regardless if there is good reason for them to be so, they often turn to meds to solve the problem. Obviously when someone is clinically and chronically depressed without good reason like a death or loss of somekind, they need help and in those cases medication may do the trick.

Additionally, I know first hand that anti-anxiety and antidepressants can help a person navigate a rough patch in their lives. However, at somepoint, at least this was the case with me, they don't need the meds any longer.

The same is true for anxiety. There are often real solid reasons to explain temporary anxiety. However, when people suffer chronic anxiety, again drugs can help combat this problem.

I also think that when folks suffer these illnesses, they should seek professional help and not just rely on drugs alone to do the trick. Sometimes, there is an underlying problem causing their out of whack feelings.

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« Reply #105 on: January 11, 2012, 01:13:01 PM »
Very true sir. Anxiety is not the same as an Anxiety Disorder. And sorrow/sadness isn't the same as a depression...
YEP.........Everyone experiences stressful events in thier lives ( like speaking in public, going on a job interview or a first date). It is NORMAL to be NERVOUS or ANXIOUS (anticipatory anxiety) over these type of things. Most people face them and Move on. The Anxiousness over the situation goes away. An ANXIETY DISORDER does not simply go away. It SEVERLY interferes with a persons daily life and it generally gets Alot worse if it is not treated. The only way you can TRULY have " severe " anxiety is if you have an ANXIETY DISORDER.

Anxiety Disorders:

Generalized Anxiety Disorder
Panic disorder........which can develop into AGORAPHOBIA, which is an anxiety disorder itself.
Obsessive Compulsive disorder
Post traumatic stress disorder
Social phobia ( social anxiety)
Specific Phobias

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« Reply #106 on: January 11, 2012, 01:17:06 PM »
For all of the above there's a psychotherapy that can/will work.
And for all of them, psychiatric medication can be of use (supplementary).
Except for specific phobia.....only exposure, no pills will do the trick.

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« Reply #107 on: January 11, 2012, 01:19:57 PM »
Yeah, but that's not withdrawal like addictive drugs. It's just your bod gaining equilibrium again. Trazolan is not addictive like benzo's..

You could be right. I wouldn't know because I have avoided addictive drugs. My mom was addicted to Seconal and Demerol from the time I was a teenager on until the day she died. She was also addicted to cigarettes, coffee and of all things Milk of Magnesia. Throughout her life she had issues with alcohol too. Let's just say she had an addictive personality. Anyway, I took this as a warning sign for me to avoid addictive drugs as much as I possibly could....to the point of refusing pain meds after surgery and for injuries.


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« Reply #108 on: January 11, 2012, 01:20:28 PM »
For all of the above there's a psychotherapy that can/will work.
And for all of them, psychiatric medication can be of use (supplementary).
Except for specific phobia.....only exposure, no pills will do the trick.
GRADUAL Exposure Therapy.

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« Reply #109 on: January 11, 2012, 01:24:25 PM »
GRADUAL Exposure Therapy.
All exposure is gradual these days. In the past they just threw the kid with water fear in the pool. Not nice. If I can give you advice you may PM me, friend.

Sometimes drugs (sedatives) are just necessary to start the expure. I had patients that were to frightened to leave their bedroom. You just can't take 'em and drop them downtown. In the past they did things like that...

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« Reply #110 on: January 11, 2012, 01:33:38 PM »
All exposure is gradual these days. In the past they just threw the kid with water fear in the pool. Not nice. If I can give you advice you may PM me, friend.

Sometimes drugs (sedatives) are just necessary to start the expure. I had patients that were to frightened to leave their bedroom. You just can't take 'em and drop them downtown. In the past they did things like that...
AGORAPHOBIA?, If someone truly has SEVERE symptoms, the Combination Of Medication and exposure therapy with the use of COGNITIVE BEHAVORIAL THERAPY is best.

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« Reply #111 on: January 11, 2012, 01:40:47 PM »
I mean patient who were stuporous...

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« Reply #112 on: January 11, 2012, 01:50:02 PM »
I mean patient who were stuporous...
Ah ok..........Worst case scenerio of AGORAPHOBIA is being confined to ones bedroom. I have panic disorder with agoraphobia, which has gotten ALOT better with meds, etc........

Agoraphobia........Extre me Fear of an Inevitable Impending DOOM/NATURAL DISASTER happening by either leaving your house or by being in Unfamiliar surroundings,enviroments and uncontrolled situations...... Also having the MINDSET of having the Fear of open spaces/having a panic attack out in public is apart of it.

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Re: I've benzo clean for 4 days.
« Reply #113 on: January 11, 2012, 01:51:46 PM »
If I didn`t take the meds that were presribed to me over the years I would have been institutionalized a long fucking time ago.

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« Reply #114 on: January 11, 2012, 01:54:22 PM »
If I didn`t take the meds that were presribed to me over the years I would have been institutionalized a long fucking time ago.
Yea.......same here. Been on meds for almost 7 years.

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Re: I've benzo clean for 4 days.
« Reply #115 on: January 11, 2012, 01:58:59 PM »
After 9 years of benzo usage and months of just 1 pill a day i can say that I'VE BEEN BENZO CLEAN for 4 days and tonight i'll be the 4th night. I feel very tired but i'm willing to leave benzos behind for good. Today i even did a light arm workout. So far i do little naps at night.  :)

Good for you, man!

I have a script for Ativan (lorazepam), and I freely admit that, if I didn't take 1-2 mg daily, I'd be an anxious wreck.  The thought of going off it altogether makes me shiver like a little bitch, so I tip my hat to you for great fortitude.

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« Reply #116 on: January 11, 2012, 02:08:23 PM »
Yea.......same here. Been on meds for almost 7 years.
Been over 15 years for me......the rest of the time I self medicated with booze and drugs which certainly added to my problems.

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« Reply #117 on: January 11, 2012, 02:12:38 PM »
It's too bad it's still considered so very differently from somatic stuff like high blood pressure and arthritis and you name it. It's a brain disorder just like there's heart and lung and kidney disorders...
I've had patients who were living in hell for many years and could be helped so much in a matter of months, sometimes even weeks. Really too bad man.

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« Reply #118 on: January 11, 2012, 02:14:22 PM »
what is going on in this thread you have people citing drugs that cant even spell them let alone talk about there pharmacology and others with these issues listening.

anxiety is one thing, it does not differ from normal anxiety, the thing that defines it as pathological is the magnitude and severity.

people have panic attacks, they don't meet the criteria for in the dsm-iv for panic disorder, the magnitude and interference is not enough.

anxiety disorders have different manifestations. For example social anxiety often responds to stimulants because of the dopaminergic aspect however, someone with GAD would respond terrible to this in most cases as baseline stimulation is already high.

anxiety is a nebulous condition that can be caused by way to many things to say definitive things like take an ssri. Which one? sertraline because it has DRI activity or escitalopram due to its potent serotonergic activity and so on...

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« Reply #119 on: January 11, 2012, 02:16:23 PM »
I asked you before, necrosis....are you a professional or just a medicine-for-dummies guy ?

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« Reply #120 on: January 11, 2012, 02:17:13 PM »
Saying that mental illness is a brain disorder and can be fixed by something as simple as taking a pill is like saying that a software problem in your computer is a problem with your hard drive and you'll fix it by taking out the poor drive and fiddling with its electronics

in any case, an astonishing simplistic and ignorant view, especially coming from someone who claims he's a doctor.

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« Reply #121 on: January 11, 2012, 02:24:40 PM »
I asked you before, necrosis....are you a professional or just a medicine-for-dummies guy ?

professional primary physician.

im not a psychiatrist but i have an interest in it. I focus on it when i study keep up to date with medicine.

my comment wasnt directed at anyone really, i just see some bad advice to people who are irrational due to anxiety perhaps.

benzos for anxiety are bad, some cases sure, but in terms of treatment algorithms its the last option as its well known that tolerance builds,addiction ensues and anxiety usually gets worse especially with quick acting tranqs

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« Reply #122 on: January 11, 2012, 02:26:41 PM »
  fuck ect

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« Reply #123 on: January 11, 2012, 02:27:29 PM »
  fuck ect
You are VERY wrong, not kidding sir..

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« Reply #124 on: January 11, 2012, 02:29:18 PM »
Saying that mental illness is a brain disorder and can be fixed by something as simple as taking a pill is like saying that a software problem in your computer is a problem with your hard drive and you'll fix it by taking out the poor drive and fiddling with its electronics

in any case, an astonishing simplistic and ignorant view, especially coming from someone who claims he's a doctor.

it is a brain disorder, why are you guys seperating the brain and mind? the psychological symptoms are a product of a sick brain. Thinking patterns (cbt,dialectical etc) change these thinking patterns which appears to change the chemical processes of the brain, however, its truly vice versa because you cannot think before the chemical process begins.

the mind is the brain, the deranged mind (anxious,depressed,psychotic) is a fucked up brain. Of course there are co-morbid issues and extraneous versus intrinsic issues, but more often then not disorders of the brain are chronic, lifelong issues that are due to poor mental hygiene along with propensity to have deranged chemical neurotransmission.

would you claim the same for asthma? that taking a pill cant fix the symptoms of asthma? its the same exact thing, its the psychological aspect that is causing people to make this weird duality which simply does not exist.